I definitely prefer ebook. Some who are fading may prefer this too as its easier to keep out of view from family who don't want material like that in the home.
Looking forward to reading it!
Posts by gbrn
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45SURVEY QUESTIONs
by Terry ini'm on the brink of publishing my book.
here are some survey questions that will help me make some important decisions.. if you were ever going to actually buy a book about an ex-jehovah's witness conscientious objector who went to prison, would you:.
a. prefer the book to be 8 1/2 x 11 ?.
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Reinstatement Hearing Secretly Recorded and on JWStruggle
by RayPublisher inokay people i have a new video that some of you may be interested in- i believe it is the only one of its kind online.
three elders meet with a young female that knows ttatt and is trying to get back into the jws for family reasons.
the audio also includes the three elders disagreeing and deliberating after she is dismissed from the room and then when they call her back in.
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gbrn
Listened to most of it earlier today. Elder 1 made me sick! So arrogant. I don't know how that poor woman endured it. He sure liked to hear himself talk - asking those questions but being vague so she wasn't able to give him exactly what he wanted. What a jerk. I hope everything works out well for her.
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What was YOUR wake-up call before you left the JW´s organization?
by Mr Fool inwhat was your wake-up call(s) before you left the jw s organization?
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gbrn
Overlapping generation, like others, was just too much for me. I was always able to rationalize JW reasoning before when I had doubts, but I think I was just at a point when I couldn't lie to myself anymore and when that gem of new light came out in 2010 that was the beginning of the end for me.
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Need Help - Looks like some one in my family got to know that we are fading...
by MissConfused inletter from a close family member... need help responding.... what a powerful illustration of the affect that our choice of friends can have on us, especially if we leave jehovah after being 'raised' by him from infancy!.
pack of wolvesthere was a farmer who raised sheep and had trouble with wolves stealing his sheep.
he loved his sheep and didn't want to lose even one of them.
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gbrn
I've heard that same illustration in a talk some years ago. Looking back with some clarity I just see how manipulative it really is. I personally wouldn't respond. Or maybe just make a joke about why in the world would the farmer shoot a talking wolf?? He could have made a fortune off of it!
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Another story... possibly final story
by confusedandalone inthis is the exchange of text messages i had with my super spiritual brother.
it is sad... it is pathetic... it has helped me realize that i have no connection to these people anymore.
i feel free today.
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gbrn
Are you sure that you want to meet with these 2 brothers? You don't owe them an explanation or a minute of your time.
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Another story... possibly final story
by confusedandalone inthis is the exchange of text messages i had with my super spiritual brother.
it is sad... it is pathetic... it has helped me realize that i have no connection to these people anymore.
i feel free today.
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gbrn
No matter how many times I hear examples of people like your brother, it still leaves me in utter shock. I'm just blown away that people who are IN refuse to think that the WT has any hand in damaging family bonds. The fact that they blame anyone who simply chooses not to believe makes me so angry. I had a friend recently tell me what he hates the most is not the fact that old friends and family shun him even though never DFd, but that every once in awhile he will get a call or text from a JW asking for something (usually $$, or wanting him to do something free for them since he has a lot of business training). Sounds like my friend is not the only one... I really admire the way you are handling this, keeping your cool and all. It sure got my blood boiling, because his wording is so typical of a Witness. No normal person talks like that. Glad you called your bro out on it, even though he didn't respond to that comment directly.
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Need help finding title of a drama from late 1970s
by gbrn ini was speaking with my aunt recently.
she and her husband have been in brooklyn bethel since 1981 i believe, soon after ray franz left.
i havent talked to her in quite some time, since ive become inactive actually.
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Thanks wizzstick and gopher! That site is a great resource. Had no idea it was out there. I bet my aunt's memory had failed her. The drama from 76 sounds fairly close to what she may have been talking about.
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Need help finding title of a drama from late 1970s
by gbrn ini was speaking with my aunt recently.
she and her husband have been in brooklyn bethel since 1981 i believe, soon after ray franz left.
i havent talked to her in quite some time, since ive become inactive actually.
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I was speaking with my aunt recently. She and her husband have been in Brooklyn Bethel since 1981 I believe, soon after Ray Franz left. I havent talked to her in quite some time, since Ive become inactive actually. So she calls me and initially actually acts interested in my life, but within 5 minutes she tells me that I need to go back to meetings because I dont have the holy spirit anymore. When I told her that I dont think I will, because being active always made me feel inadequate and more or less worthless, she just told me that was because I wasnt giving it my all. Couldnt believe it! Then she proceeds to tell me how happy she is that she never went to college, and that her life is so fulfulling, and that the gov body is humble, etc. etc. My parents wont talk to me, so I was actually excited that she called. Probably a bit naiive of me, but I guess I was hopeful. The conversation was relatively short with her telling me that Im hurting my parents, my wife, as well as her by being inactive. Talk about a guilt trip. Dont think she ll call again, and I wont pick up if she does.
My question for the forum is identifying a drama from the mid to late 1970s. When I had mentioned that I felt it wrong that elders spend a disproportionate amount of time pushing field service as opposed to sheperdering ones who are depressed in their own hall, I seemed to strike a nerve. She asked me where I got that idea, because it definitely wasnt my own! She then talked about the "Great Apostacy" in Brooklyn with Franz just before she got to Bethel. She couldnt seem to give me any details, just vague generalizations. She did say many, many people were kicked out for it. I said to my understanding Franz left on his own, and 3 or 4 others were kicked out. She didnt seem to like that I knew anything about it. She then mentioned a drama from the 70s that she claimed was apostate influenced unbeknownst to the Governing Body. Something about a kid and a neighbors yard, not sure. And if he hadnt been out in service that day he could have helped his neighbor more in a Christian kind of way. So it was basically saying something about it being ok to not always focus on field service, but to be conscious of being a good Christian in everday life.Sorry if that is vague, but does that ring any bells? She could barely remember herself, but insisted it was infiltrated by apostate writers. Any help finding the year and title of this drama would be greatly appreciated.
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Marathon service days before Sept 1
by gbrn inso my wife showed me her instagram and one of her friends posted a picture of herself and a couple other pioneers with the title "20 hours in so far on our 24 hour day of service!
" mind you they were all sitting in starbucks.
this just made me want to scream!!
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So my wife showed me her Instagram and one of her friends posted a picture of herself and a couple other pioneers with the title "20 hours in so far on our 24 hour day of service!" Mind you they were all sitting in Starbucks. This just made me want to scream!! The mad dash to get all their time in before the service year is over. The obsession over "time" is one thing I do NOT miss. Anyone have any ridiculous marathon service day stories for the month of August as the service year is winding down?
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Board of bitterness
by 1009 ini always was a critical jw, now df and agnost.
but still this religion fascinates me.
in my eyes most jw are very sincere, but dumb sheep.. this board is filled with ex-jw.
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I really liked Simons comment about this being a great place to vent. Because of that it may not readily be apparent that someone has moved on more or less. Plus as others have pointed out, we are all at different stages in this process. Im still relatively new to leaving the religion, and it helps me tremendously to read comments of others. All of my family is IN and will have nothing to do with me since 3 years ago. I thought by just stopping and not getting DFd I could avoid being shunned. Boy was I wrong! And the few friends Ive made since Ive left really cant relate or dont have much interest in talking about a wacky religion. This forum can be great therapy when used appropriately and respectfully. Ive hesitated to take part in posting for quite some time due to the occasional petty arguments and passive aggressive insults toward other users (but thats unavoidable online), but after "lurking" (hate that term, it sounds so creepy) for awhile it seems to me the majority of users here are sincere and are in this together - for which I am very, very greatful for. Bring on the bitterness, haha!