Yes it is a difficult topic. My father clearly knew something was wrong, but the old books by Russell was the furthest he dared to venture into questioning things. He was woefully ignorant about the history of the movement and where Russell got his ideas from. He did not use the internet. I think he died very much in doubt about the doctrines, but sadly probably more about his salvation than the validity of the org. Despite their faults, they were still "the apple of God's eye". They had taken the new testament away from him, so he tried to find sufficient grace in the old. I dont know what would have been hardest, what happened or what would have happened if someone had tried to make him see things differently. That would have been some exorcism.
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Need help - How do you determine whether to show a JW the truth or not?
by AlainAlam inhow do you determine whether to show a jw the truth or not?.
now some of you still believe in the bible.
to you the answer would be obvious - we preach to anyone as much as possible.
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A chance for the unrighteous?
by AlainAlam inthe witnesses teach that the "unrighteous" are brought back to life in order to learn about god during the 1000-year reign.
i don't think that's a bible teaching, for the following reason:.
1) no verse says that.
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Revelation is about God defeating opposition revenging his saints. If you want to look for some graceful stuff, you can note that the nations receive healing Rev 22:2 and the kings of the earth who were previously under judgment carry their riches to the city as some part of reconciliation Rev 6:15, 21:24. Most likely 1 Corinthians 15:24-28 covers a time after anything in Revelation. I believe it is most likely the millenium started in AD 70 and the saints have been ruling spiritually since.
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Isn't It Ironic That Many People Now Wish That Many of the Things China is Making Would Actually Be Made in Mexico?
by RubaDub inlet me think of a few advantages to having mexico do more manufacturing for us:.
- low cost labor .
- just drive around or jump over the wall to see family and friends.
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JoenB75
Poor Chinese. They are too many to live decent and healthy.
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Can single sisters get Breast Augmentation?
by friedchicken ini am curious can a single jw sister get a breast augmentation?
will the elders disfellowship her?
will jehovah be angry with her or upset?
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JoenB75
I imagine the sisters that get this kind of treatment, do not ask
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What's up with old geezers in the Bible?
by eyeuse2badub inwhat the hell is the problem with the famous “men of old” in the bible?
for some strange reason those old geezers (and some not so old) could not recognize who they were screwing?.
my wife was listening to this week’s bible reading about jacob, laban, and the sisters leah, and rachael.
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JoenB75
Eyeuse, you might have a point if Lot did this incest on a regular basis and not a special event. Who knows how he handled liquor anyway. Also who knows what event in particular pissed off God
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What Is Your Favorite Decade or Time Period to Live In?
by minimus insome people say this decade is the most advantage and so they are happiest in the present.
some long for the good old days before cell phones and computers.
if you could live in an era or decade , when would it be?.
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JoenB75
After the edict of Milan. In a wealthy family of course
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What's up with old geezers in the Bible?
by eyeuse2badub inwhat the hell is the problem with the famous “men of old” in the bible?
for some strange reason those old geezers (and some not so old) could not recognize who they were screwing?.
my wife was listening to this week’s bible reading about jacob, laban, and the sisters leah, and rachael.
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JoenB75
Well in the case of Jacob, perhaps we should not imagine the sophisticated / advanced love making of today. It was dark and perhaps IT involved a simple mating act similar to what they observed the animals had. Lot was very likely a very primitive man with a low understanding of ethics and formulated laws. His justification before God did not involve keeping of laws from all we know yet not given to man, but rather being elect by God and obeying his command. Think more of a Conan the barbarian type than some morale saint. The problem for the jw is probably that they compare these men to modern age men and the regime they as jws are subject to
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A chance for the unrighteous?
by AlainAlam inthe witnesses teach that the "unrighteous" are brought back to life in order to learn about god during the 1000-year reign.
i don't think that's a bible teaching, for the following reason:.
1) no verse says that.
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JoenB75
Vanderhoven7, I believe the Bible says we are judged for our actions/works and saved out of grace and the blood of Jesus. Individual Judgment is a strange work of God that completes the human experience.
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A chance for the unrighteous?
by AlainAlam inthe witnesses teach that the "unrighteous" are brought back to life in order to learn about god during the 1000-year reign.
i don't think that's a bible teaching, for the following reason:.
1) no verse says that.
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Vanderhoven7, I think in general we believe in universal eonian judgment starting with the house of God. Judgment and salvation will be unrelated for the unbelievers ☺️ -
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A chance for the unrighteous?
by AlainAlam inthe witnesses teach that the "unrighteous" are brought back to life in order to learn about god during the 1000-year reign.
i don't think that's a bible teaching, for the following reason:.
1) no verse says that.
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JoenB75
Of course it is not a biblebased doctrine The JWs have. The strongest implication the proponents see is probably the second death concept. You have to be blessed somehow to fall from grace / die a second time. Hebrews, Jude and 1st John (circumcision writings like Revelation) probably speak of the same concept when they speak harshly of the twice dead, impossible to renew, sin unto death etc. When a person hears the jw message and rejects it, they fall into this category