Posts by JoenB75

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Adam could have put Jehovah In Paradox!

by JohnTron72 in

i'm going to be the first and throw this out there for others but, from careful study of the scriptures i've found a loophole that even adam who was perfect at the time missed!

i'm sure everyone has heard the conundrum about ,"can god create a rock he can't lift?

" and if he can't create one he can't lift, then god cannot do everything" well that doesn't really matter since we know jehovah says himself he cannot lie right?

JoenB75

Jw org seems to side with the Augustine view of Adam. Russell might have been closer to the better view of Irenaeus

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Adam could have put Jehovah In Paradox!

by JohnTron72 in

i'm going to be the first and throw this out there for others but, from careful study of the scriptures i've found a loophole that even adam who was perfect at the time missed!

i'm sure everyone has heard the conundrum about ,"can god create a rock he can't lift?

" and if he can't create one he can't lift, then god cannot do everything" well that doesn't really matter since we know jehovah says himself he cannot lie right?

To me and many modern scholars talking snake and supernatural trees belong to the world of allegory and symbolism. Evolution and geology have made that conclusion essential although it was always there. Adam and Eve probably represents an early community

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Help please

by jhine in

hi , would someone help me please with some info about the nwt .

during my study time l have been reading john 1:1-14 and colossians 1:15-17 .

both these passages indicate that jesus was not created as the wt asserts .

JoenB75

Well that might be true although I consider it pretty problematic that a created being should be excluded from all ☺️. But it gets worse. Both JWs and "firebreathing" evangelicals utterly deny Colossians 1:20. So the evangelicals are being a wee bit hypocritical ☺️

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Help please

by jhine in

hi , would someone help me please with some info about the nwt .

during my study time l have been reading john 1:1-14 and colossians 1:15-17 .

both these passages indicate that jesus was not created as the wt asserts .

JoenB75

Jhine, ofcourse the org can not justify their teaching. Jesus is Jehovah and worshipped (Hebrews 1:6 etc). What neither jw nor most anti jw sites will tell you, is that John did not merely use the Word / Logos as a title of God. In John's day the Word was known in Hellenist philosophy as a concept, the cause and reason behlnd all things. How befitting for John to identify the Lord with that. Paul uses similar thought in Colossians 1, Ephesians 1. Also in Hebrews 1. You can find the famous Greek scholar William Barclays commentary in the new testament online ☺️

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Why is he spiritual Israel not innumerable?

by Salomo in

please share this question.

why is he spiritual israel not innumerable?.

the literal seed of abraham was innumerable (heb 11:12; gen 22:17; 1ki 4:20).

JoenB75

The whole distinguishing between earthly and heavenly Hope is due to Russell and Rutherfords speculations. Russell imagined that those running for the high calling would receive the nature of Jehovah if their works were approved. Such an honour could not be bestowed upon any ol Joe and thus the idea of two classes was needed. We should not derive our doctrine from speculations about such difficult text as revelation. According to 1 Tim 4v10, Jesus Christ is the saviour of all, especially believers. The information concerning the salvation of the unbeliever and the devils is unclear and clouded, we are only told of the ultimate purpose (Colossians 1:20).

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Happy Alcoholic Jehovah's Witnesses

by The Bethelite in

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friends

for many years since the witness organization, after i have told people that i'm no longer a jehovah's witness, people would say "oh the religion were people are not allowed to drink!".

"no they drink alright.....they can't do much of anything else but they do drink!".

in fact the first place i ever got drunk was bethel.

JoenB75

My mother loved telling the story of a once powerful JW leader she met old, weak, drunk and smelly in the mall with a lot of booz in his basket. He had df ed many people. She was especially angry when they lured people of low intelligence that could barely read or speak coherently into baptism and then df ed them for minor issues . Remember we are to be strong in the Spirit, he apparently told her.

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Which songs give you goosebumps?

by LoveUniHateExams in

i don't know if this topic has been covered before - it might 've been.. i also recommend flipper's excellent music thread ('what songs have you been listening to?

', or similar).. but, i'd just like to start a thread about certain songs giving me goosebumps.

y'know, when you hear a song that profoundly effects you in some difficult-to-describe way and the hairs on your arm stand on end even though the room temperature's comfortably warm.. so, which songs give you goosebumps?.

JoenB75

Hmm. I would say Mayhem's Freezing Moon but probably not appropiate here

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Moved into attic, so much for cellars

by road to nowhere in

i notice the friends are in an anne frank attic instead of a boarded up basement this time.. the giving to ones in need pic shows literature and bible, but no food or money.

JoenB75

It would probably be more honest to handle out small pamflets and Bible reading plans

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New JW Site - feedback please

by Jake101 in

hi.

we've just launched readjw.info and we'd value this forum member's feedback please.. especially see what you think of our jw timeline piece... thanks!.

your fellow traveller .