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  Suicide ends pain for many

  by joelbear in

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  doctors have began prescribing suicide as a way out of pain saying that this medical avenue should have been recommended many more times in the past.

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  Hello again Joelbear.

  I read a few of your posts. It is clear that you are bearing scars from your time with the wbts cult. It is also clear that you are angry over all that was done to you and your life. You have every right to be angry.

  Consider this. Are you willing to let those bastards push you into taking your life? After all they have done to you, are you willing to let them in effect kill you?

  Imagine the thoughts some of the jw's will have if you do. He was an apostate. He was never any good. Are you going to give them something to gloat over? To hell with them. The best way to get past this is to not cave in to this grief. After all, the cult is behind a lot of the problems and grief you are feeling now.

  Hang in there and show them up to be the liars they are by not giving up. Do whatever you need to survive. I know it is not easy. I have to remind myself of the good things in my life now every day. I must do this to push away the grief, sadness and self shame of being a pawn of the wbts.

  You are angry yes but do not turn the anger on your self and your life. Use the anger wisely to help yourself. When all other emotions are spent the anger will still be there as a useable tool. I suggest that you get angry enough to not die in spite of all the shit they dumped on you.

  Screw them, don't give them the satisfaction of killing your self.

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  Suicide ends pain for many

  by joelbear in

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  doctors have began prescribing suicide as a way out of pain saying that this medical avenue should have been recommended many more times in the past.

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  Hello Joelbear.

  Tell us please, are you considering suicide? If so have you decided on how this is to be done? If you say yes to these two questions then please call a suicide hot line or better yet go to a counselor right now!! Do not put this off.

  If you feel so much emotional pain that suicide seems the only way out please listen to what I will tell you. I at one time was at this stage. So many things all at once decended on me that I fell into a full blown clinical depression. I answered yes to the two questions above. There are many reasons that a person chooses suicide. Some of them are for selfish reasons. Some are for vindictive reasons. The one hardest to deal with is the true full blown brain chemical depression.

  In any case, to commit suicide is a mistake. One can get help, recover and be ever so glad they did not end it all and go on to have a happy life. If this fits you, it would be foolish to kill your self. I can tell you with certainty that life is worth living and that joy and contentment can be brought into your life.

  If on the other hand if you are talking about euthenasia, to end a physical torture that is sure to cause you a painfull death, soon to come, I can not suggest anything to you as it is such a personal thing and I have had no experience with this.

  Be assured that as others have said "you are loveable, you deserve to be loved and respected".

  You also have to love and respect yourself. You deserve better than a needless death. This is because you matter and others will miss you and grieve over you.

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  A Question to all men out there

  by sunshineToo in

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  let's say you are out with your girlfriend/wife for a nice lunch in a nice restaurant.

  then, all of sudden she is in pain!!!

  well, she is having her monthly thing.

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  Well since it is her problem and not mine I would ask her what she wants to do. Go home? Stick it out? "Don't misinterpret that" need some pain killer?

  My wife being the reasoning person she is will tell me what she wants and I will oblige.

  A little bit of sympathy and caring in this area will reap lots of rewards later.

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  Slip of the tongue

  by els in

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  have you ever said anything embarassing by saying the wrong word because of what you were thinking about?.

  i once saw a very hot guy come into the restaurant where i work.

  as he was walking in i was thinking how much i loved his eyes (as well as some other things).

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  The hospital that my wife works for was holding free health check in a small town close by. She asked me to help with some things. When I got there her and the other nurses were talking about an episode on the Jerry Seinfeld show where Elane had pictures of herself taken that showed one of her nipples. Remember that show? Well I joined in the conversation when one of the cute little nurses that always threatens to stick me with a needle walked up and I blurted out. You don't have any NIPPLES on you do you? I meant to say you don't have any NEEDLES on you do you?

  To this day if they see me, something about nipples is said just to see me blush

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  " We Saw his Star in the East"

  by Robdar in

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  a question from realist on another thread prompted me to want to ask the board if our members believe in astrology.

  here is my response on the subject and your comments are welcome, as always.. robdar, .

  plaese tell me you don't believe in astrology!

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  What is my sign?

  Well I don't know. I have looked it up a time or two but it is not important to me so I forget it.

  If anyone asks me for my sign I usually say "it is neon" and that turns them off and they don't like me. I wonder if that is in my sign?

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  Should America Start Closing the Borders?

  by pettygrudger in

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  my hubby & i had a debate tonight, so i'm kinda taking a poll..... my hubby says we should stop immigrations and start closing up the borders - except in cases of political asylum or a family member.

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  My father, his mother and siblings came to this country from Norway in 1892. They were all taken to Ellis island and held there while being tested for health reasons "tuburculosis etc." and their eligibility to emigrate to this country. This was not inhumane and was an expected and accepted practice by the people that wished to live in the US legally.

  My father and all the emigrants he knew all wanted to learn english and become an american and be assimilated into this society and it's culture. While they did have groups or clubs that consisted of mostly Norwegion members, They did not want to form all Norwegion neighborhoods or exclude or replace the american culture.

  The use of borders and rules and laws are to protect the citizens and the country itself. The control of ILLEGAL aliens is a necessary responsibility of the government. As is any other ILLEGAL act.

  If one does not believe this, try an Illegal entry into any other country. I assure you that you will not enjoy their version of justice or their prison system.

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  Ray Franz And Things That Are Too Hard To Handle.

  by Englishman in

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  i see that ray franz is coming in for a fair bit of criticism due to his apparrant unwillingness to accept that jw's had a problem with the existence of child abuse when he was a member of the gb.

  also, it would appear that ray is being chided for his belief in the rule of 2 witnesses before action can be taken against an abuser.

  it seems to me that it is quite likely that ray wasn't aware that there was a serious abuse problem within the society when he was a member of the gb, if only for the reason that ray would find such an activity so detestable that he would believe it to be a virtually impossible act for anyone to perpetrate.

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  On this issue.

  I agree completely with #007 and the English man. All of us it seems have admitted to doing things to support the wbts that we would not do at this stage in our growth.

  In addition, each and everyone is entitled to their own set of beliefs as long as they are not imposed on others.

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  UPDATE on SHE LEFT ME

  by Yerusalyim in

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  after several tearful phone calls from new york city and me sticking to my guns i think liza is starting to get the idea that this is long term, and that she has to address her problems before we can address our problems.. .

  get's tough, especially the no sex part, and she plays that card every phone call, promising all kinds of kinky nasty things to me when she comes home.

  cold showers and hand exercises.. .

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  NO no LB.

  I married the worst woman in the world! I know that for a certainty.

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  Do You View Your Fellow Posters As Your Friends?

  by minimus in

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  is this just a board to you?

  do you really care about the people here?

  have you made "real" friends here??

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  As Kenpo said I am distancing my self from the board and people on it but for a different reason. Although I will say that seeing the attacks on others here is disturbing at times.

  It seems to me that there is a group of people here that over time have come to know each other and more or less ignore the ones that come to this board unless they have something very new and interesting to bring up.

  Not all of us have the time to spend on the internet or other sources of info to do that. Some do not have that inclination. It really does remind me somewhat of going to the Kh and watching the interaction. But I and I am sure you have also, seen this in many organizations other than religious.

  I do not think of many of you as friends. But I do admire you for the stands against religious tyranny and the helpful information you give to others in a time of need. I admire those who went through hell and kept their sanity in the struggle to survive a cult and its attacks. I am not refering to any one individual on this forum nor do I intend to criticize this forum. This is how I see things and is my opinion only. You need not agree with me to have my respect.

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  Was Public Reproof Traumatic for You?

  by zenpunk in

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  i was reproved at the age of 17 and, believe me it was a nightmare at home.

  first, my parents felt such shame over me - i was such an evil disappointment to them.

  i would hear my mother talk on the phone to other sisters about how sad she was about the way i had turned out.

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  It didn't take public reproof.

  To begin with I was shunned and ignored because of rumors started by the elders among themselves and spread to others. It was because I didn't go out in the service or many meetings anymore. I would see elders talking with each other and glancing at me during the times I did attend. That is sure incouraging. They and others went out of their way to let me know I was not wanted.

  I accepted my df'd son into my family home when he moved to the same town we lived in. Until he found a place to live. This is no ones business but mine but they stuck their nose in it and got told to back off.

  When my kids got into trouble I would not go to the elders because it was none of their business it was FAMILY business only.

  The punishment and guilt or grief for a childs mistakes should stay in the family and the decisions do not belong in some public forum involving a bunch of nitwit elders. The public involvement of others outside the family with anouncements to the cong. etc. causes too much shame and embarassment for a child or minor. It also tells the minor that their parents can not be trusted when they see the parents turn them in for what are usually the things many people do and are considered more as lessons we learn the hard way when growing up .

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