Posts by ctrwtf

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Naziaphobe... Why Protect Ideologies from Criticism?

by freemindfade in

naziasm is an ideology... islam is an ideology... both encourage dangerous, ugly ideas... .

if i say "screw nazi's" no one is going to call me a racist, a xenophobe, or a naziaphobe.

anyone is capable of snapping, or just being an ahole and committing atrocities, but why does radicalization work so well in islam?

ctrwtf

I'm inclined to believe that it's not so much the religion that foments radical terrorism but rather the political and economic fabric of society in the middle east that is responsible. I would point to the fact that in mostly prosperous, stable societies radical islamists are about as rare as right wing nutters that bomb abortion clinics or shoot up AAME churches. The recent bombings in Paris and attacks in the US are being inspired by the radicals in poorer countries, not the Mosque around the corner.

The middle east has been and will continue to be a hotbed of government corruption and economic instability that sparks isolationist, fundamentalist thinking.

It's alarming that in the US and Britain and other western countries, the political trend is to feed into the same fear and economic anxiety that the Imams in Iran are using to whip up unrest. Brexit and "I'm gonna build a wall," pander to the same base fears of people on the margins of society.

The comparison to Nazism is interesting inasmuch as the National Socialists ran a campaign of fear and hatred of the Jews at a time when Germany was on the ropes economically. Sounds to me alot like the Republican Party today.

Just my two cents.

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Is it persecution or just a poor decision?

by ctrwtf in

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friends

just been thinking about the "persecution" video where the modern day "job" loses everything.

here's an alternative narrative.. instead of turning down the salary job in the next town over, our hero takes the job even though it's a tough commute.

he is still able to contribute in a meaningful way to his "ministry.

ctrwtf

Just been thinking about the "persecution" video where the modern day "Job" loses everything. Here's an alternative narrative.

Instead of turning down the salary job in the next town over, our hero takes the job even though it's a tough commute. He is still able to contribute in a meaningful way to his "ministry." He just sleeps less. (like the rest of us) After a while he makes such an impression that he is promoted, sells his dump of a house in the first town and moves closer to his job, purchasing an even better home in a better school district for his children.

Because he has health insurance through his workplace, he get's screened for cancer and they are able to detect a pre-cancerous polyp. In an outpatient procedure he has it taken care of and doesn't miss a beat with his work, family and the all important "ministry."

Because he is well paid, his wife doesn't have to take a job cleaning someone else's house. Therefore, she doesn't have to have the myopic grandpa pick the kids up from school, meaning that they avoid the fatal accident altogether.

My point is, all of his "persecution" could have been avoided by a better decision. But that is too simple an alternative for the purposes of a mind control doomsday cult.

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Born Twice - Die Once .... Born Once - Die Twice

by Perry in

jesus taught that we must die unto ourselves, and allow the holy spirit to take up residence within us.

some people get saved by simply inviting jesus into their hearts, to be the lord of their life.

this serves as a countering force within the born-again christian to counterbalance the will of the flesh, which is still unsaved in this life and destined for destruction in imitation of our lord himself.. attempting to live the christian life without having this spirit within you is a waste of time at the minimum, and dangerous on the downside.

ctrwtf

I think Batman and Superman are way better than the Silver Surfer

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Do JW beliefs deserve respect?

by azor in

what say you?

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ctrwtf

I'm going to use the old illustration about a little poison in a large glass of water. Would you drink it?

Under Hitler, Germany was a model of order and economic boom. Would you say that it was good for some?

Iraq under Saddam was probably better off than it is now. Do you think they want to go back?

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No Reason For JWs To Go To The MIdweek Meeting (CLAM)

by JW_Rogue in

everything that is done at the midweek meeting can now be done at home.

the videos are online, the first talk is scripted, the bible highlights are scripted.

you could get the same experience by just reading and watching the material from your tablet.

ctrwtf

@Moly Sorry for your predicament. That song has always touched a nerve for me too. Particularly the line "when I was a child I had a fleeting glimpse." I knew at age 13 that this was BS. But waded through it until 45. Cannot get those years back but am making the best of the time ahead. My best to you and yours.......

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July 2016 CLAM videos

by wifibandit in

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p46pnudcub0.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mpqeptnux3o.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iijg_-bz-k8.

ctrwtf

What adult has conversations such as this that are beyond puerile?

I realize that as a New Yorker my response to most of these demonstrations would be, "get the F outta here!"

No, literally get the f outta here!

(edited for content)

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Fierce controversy over pastor's remarks about Orlando attack

by opusdei1972 in

http://www.cbsnews.com/news/mass-shooting-orlando-gay-club-pulse-fierce-controversy-over-pastors-remarks-about-orlando-attack/.

ctrwtf

@DJS I agree, with the exception that we needn't wait for the Govt to act. As individuals we need to voice whenever possible that this type of fundie hatred needs to stop.

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First exchange in years about JW religion with my wife...

by NVR2L8 in

today my wife showed me the new medical directive and power of attorney form she got at the meeting.

surprisingly she asked if i wanted to fill mine!

i have been inactive for 6 years and i don't go close to any jw gatherings because i don't want friends who only care for me unless i share their beliefs.

ctrwtf

Actually, one would never use ethanol to clean a wound. Maybe rubbing or isopropyl alcohol would be more appropriate although not medically recommended. Usually an anti bacterial soap and water are best.

I would rather drink enough ethanol to not feel the pain of the wound than to use it to disinfect said wound.

So while your DW is technically correct, I still would decline to fill out the stupid blood card. Cheers!

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A question JWs almost never ask, but should

by slimboyfat in

it occurs to me, if i was starting from scratch choosing a religion or belief system to join, there's one good question i should like answered first:.

does this religion promote a way of life and view of the world that would be satisfying even if not a single word of its doctrines are true?

if jws honestly answered that question i doubt many would say it's a good choice.

ctrwtf

If I was starting from scratch, I think the better question would be, "Why do I need to attach myself to a religion to have a satisfying life?"

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Why are some that post here JW apologists?

by ctrwtf in

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friends

my rant tonight is against the quasi religious apologists that post on this board.

those who at once rail against the jw's then later talk about how "orderly" and "neat" the witnesses are at their conventions.

those who site the benefits of bloodless surgery to some who have the luxury and time to actually make an educated choice, while ignoring the tens of thousands who've died because they happen to be in an accident or succumb to a disease for which there is no other treatment.. i understand the power of cognitive dissonance.

ctrwtf

My rant tonight is against the quasi religious apologists that post on this board. Those who at once rail against the JW's then later talk about how "orderly" and "neat" the witnesses are at their conventions. Those who site the benefits of bloodless surgery to some who have the luxury and time to actually make an educated choice, while ignoring the tens of thousands who've died because they happen to be in an accident or succumb to a disease for which there is no other treatment.

I understand the power of cognitive dissonance. I've been there myself. But why, under any circumstance, would you want to lend any credence whatsoever to an evil cult? I once knew a member of the Hitler Youth. He often recalled how orderly, clean and prosperous Germany became after the Nazi party took over. I remember thinking that it was this early indoctrination that made the witness propaganda appeal to him. A world where the "final solution" was to eliminate an entire class (race) of people that stood in the way of paradise. Does this sound familiar?

In my opinion, if circumstances permitted, if there were some justification, the leaders of the WT would have no qualms about taking matters into their own hands. They would look upon genocide as a righteous tool and a mandate from the most high. That is the evil that resides in all fundamentalist religion.

So think about that when you want to give the witnesses a break because they "dress so well."