Posts by Thisismein1972

Hi, as a brother serving at the congregation, I highly value trust and confidentiality. That being said, nothing drives me up a wall more than when information is allegedly "leaked" onto the internet to apostates. By that I mean letters and other information that is addressed to Elders or other people within the organization. Outside of turning this into some sort of prison, what can be done to perhaps discipline those who violate confidentiality like this? What can be done to find out who is doing this?

I don't think there is much that can be done. But still, the fact remains that it just needs to stop.

Thank you.

JW Advisor: You have understood the situation correctly. Other than keeping filing cabinets locked and minimizing who has access to any specific file, there's not a lot that can be done to prevent their releasing them. Even files on the organization's secure servers, requiring encrypted passwords, have been leaked. The unfortunate fact is that some deceitful men think it is their duty to lie and pretend to be faithful in order to have access to those documents. There are even a few apostate circuit overseers and many apostate elders in various congregations.

Holy spirit is not a magic psychic link to identify apostates, as it is a guide, not an open person-to-person communication or sensory device. (Jeremiah 50:24) So we have to ferret out apostates the old fashioned way: set a trap. (Judges 12:5, 6) If you know that 1 of 4 individuals is an apostate because only that group has access to documents that have been leaked, then you can print out 4 nearly identical documents, each with only 1 difference from the others, (A different word with the same meaning or a phrase worded differently,) and give each individual a different document than the other 3 so that no two of them have the same document, keeping track of which individual has which document. In that case, the likelihood of their catching on is slim. Then, when one of those documents shows up anywhere online, you know which individual is the apostate.

Another way is to catch the apostate in a lie. (Proverbs 18:7) Since he is deceitfully hiding who he really is, he has to say many things he does not believe and the more it angers him to say it, the more likely he will be to slip up. I like to just really bite down hard by stating my opinion of apostates with harsh words in order to make the apostate's blood boil, because he knows he is one. I also make statements of loyalty and love about the governing body and try to make a way to obligate them to make a statement about how they feel about the governing body without being conspicuous.

You would also be surprised how well it works simply to put someone under oath whom you suspect of being an apostate to state their loyalty to the governing body or simply whether they are apostate, with a reminder of Revelation 21:8. Many apostates, despite their lies and living in constant fear of discovery, like to view themselves as honest and not cowardly, as if not deserving of the lake of fire. If they say "no" and especially if they affirm their loyalty to the organization, then they are not likely apostate. But if they cannot bring themselves to lie so overtly, then they may try to sidestep the question, deflect it onto you, or begin obfuscating over what it means to be loyal or launch into a soliloquy over their not needing to be under human authority, but under Jehovah or Jesus alone. That will be your answer.

And, of course, be sure to pray to Jehovah to help you find the apostate. (Philippians 4:6, 7)

As to discipline, it is a disfellowshipping offense to reveal confidential matters, deception and being a betrayer, all of which this essentially falls under. So those who do these things can be disciplined. But always remember to have verifiable evidence to share with the elder body. (Deuteronomy 19:15)

Sorry I can't be of more use. [July 5, 2016 at 1:24 pm]

JW Advisor:

I can certainly understand this concern here. I too find it reprehensible, and in my view, a disfellowshipping offense (though my views don't really matter as far as that goes)

No doubt, if a brother is found to have leaked letters and such to apostates (something I have also seen on the Internet) then he will no doubt be removed from his position since he can no longer be trusted, and perhaps df'd for apostasy. He will have to answer for that. That would be betrayal.

There is nothing that can really be done to stop a brother from doing that I think outside of turning the organization into a place of suspicion and distrust by perhaps removing the ability to download and print letters, but I don't think the issue is to that point anyway. I know there are apostate elders who are doing this. All there needs to be is one, however.

This can be very discouraging because we learn to trust those taking the lead among us, seeing how some of those who've turned apostate are supposed to protect us from apostasy. But if we look at certain Bible accounts, we can see that this isn't something new to God's people. Appointed men, like Korah, were proud to be apostates. They did not hide it. One of Jesus' hand-picked Apostles "leaked" Jesus' whereabouts to his would-be murderers.

So we should not be shocked, though at times it would be surprising to hear about such a thing. But we can take comfort in the fact that Korah and Judas were dealt with, so today, these men will eventually be weeded out by Jehovah. [July 5, 2016 at 5:00 pm]

JW Advisor: I like that idea of setting a trap for those apostate brothers. In fact, a couple years ago when this first caught my attention, I thought about something similar — like sending letters that had subtle, nearly unnoticeable characteristics that differentiated circuits, and then congregations, to narrow down the areas they are being leaked from. [July 5, 2016 at 6:33 pm]

JW Advisor: I that solution, also, as it is organization-wide and even if they know about it, it would make it very difficult for them to get around it. The way they could handle it online is with individual digital watermark that electronic PDF distribution companies use, which mark both the images and the electronic file as belonging to the individual that downloaded it. [July 6, 2016 at 2:03 pm]

JW Advisor: That's a great idea. This organization has been in existence for over 130 years, and internal apostasy has not brought us down, even in the early days where we would have been more vulnerable to collapse. That tells us that we have used various means to root out liars and traitors. I'm confident that they have something in the mix to catch these people. [July 9, 2016 at 8:20am]

This Ted talk sums cult indoctrination up.

by Thisismein1972 in

although this lady was in the moonies the similarities are stark.. what struck me is her emotional reaction here.

it's clear that she still suffers.. https://youtu.be/9zaq2ly5qty.

Thisismein1972

Although this lady was in the Moonies the similarities are stark.

What struck me is her emotional reaction here. It's clear that she still suffers.

https://youtu.be/9zAQ2LY5qtY

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UK's NSPCC REJECTS 'mandatory reporting' of suspected child abuse

by darkspilver in

large article at the top of page 20 in today's - 6th november 2016 - sunday observer, the 'sister' newspaper in the uk of the guardian which only prints monday to saturday.. the national society for the prevention of cruelty to children - nspcc - is the uk's leading children's charity, specialising in child protection and are the only uk children's charity with statutory powers and that means they can take action to safeguard children at risk of abuse.. the headline in the web version is slightly different, but the rest of the article appears to be the same.

nspcc rejects plan for 'mandatory reporting' of suspected child abuse.

the government’s consultation on reporting and acting on child abuse and neglect was launched amid concerns about past abuse in some of the country’s major institutions.

Thisismein1972

This just adds more evidence that child abuse goes right to the top.

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Another Subliminal Image? On the JW Website

by The Searcher in

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this image appears on the current main web page - as you scroll the "witnessing" photos.. weird "facial" image at the guy's right shoulder.. .

Thisismein1972

It's funny how the once reasonable posters here turn into wannabe trolls!

Subliminal images ARE real, and have been used in all manner of media. How do I know this?

Most of you will know of the British soap Coronation Street. Well in the early 80's 90's there was a tourist attraction built around this at Granada Studios in Manchester where the set of Coronation Street is. The tour includes a short film narrated by Ken Barlow (screen name) in this short film was a split second flash of a coca cola bottle. Ken Barlow asked if we had seen something unusual in this short film. We all pointed to the flash of the coke bottle. He then went on to say, this is subliminal images. Although apparently banned in the UK, the US used this method of advertising on a regular basis. Why? Because our brains are more likely to register a subliminal image and actually recall the image time after time.

To this day, I can still vividly see this image. So I for one believe the Watchtower do use subliminal images to control their followers. By using subliminal images that may include sexual content, this will sink deep inside the brain of an individual, hence leading this individual to feel guilt. It's far more easier to control an individual who constantly feels guilty.

This imaging could also be the cause of the epidemic that is child molestation within the Watchtower too.

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Crisis of Conscience - The Movie

by cedars in

i know... how cool would that be??!.

having just commented on the post by trailerfitter about the situation with his wife, and how i have personally found the book crisis of conscience by ray franz to be the perfect antidote to the society's perception of itself as being god's earthly organisation, the thought occurred to me: what if there was a movie about ray franz and his life?

obviously the society would be in uproar, and letters would be read out to all congregations all over the world not to go and see it, but just imagine!

Thisismein1972

Nah Personally if this guy was still alive, I think he would fit the role perfectly. Not only does he look like Ray Franz, he also has a rather fitting song too.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sfmAeijj5cM

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Well, I thought they were funny.

by Ultimate Axiom in

like many others, our local church produces a newsletter.

church car park sign... “for members only.

trespassers will be baptised”.. a sunday school teacher asked, “johnny, do you think noah did a lot of fishing when he was in the ark?” “no,” replied johnny, “how could he, with just two worms?”.

Thisismein1972

I saw one the other day, it read. We have had a faithlift. Found this mildly amusing

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RUSSIA: Many meetings raided and evidence planted

by ZAPPA-ESQUE in

raids on jehovah's witness premises now take place more than three times per month.

these raids on doctrinally pacifist* religious communities often involve many heavily armed and camouflaged officials, with the "discovery" of apparently planted banned "extremist" literature.

legal dissolution of communities can follow.. http://www.forum18.org/archive.php?article_id=2228.

Thisismein1972

This planting of evidence is nothing more than propaganda designed to make the org look good. As with everything western at the moment. It is all Russia's fault.

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HELP needed from folks in UK, esp. in Scotland!

by WTS Archive in

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tl;dr: if you live either in scotland or in other parts of uk and you don't mind traveling, you might be able to help a fellow ex-jw by being present during a courtcase where she alone has to face more than two dozens of jws who have ruined their business.

please contact me directly for details on when and where the court case will be held (i will know these details in few days probably).

ps.

Thisismein1972

Huh Simon? If indeed you were a JW, you dam well know what mind control can do to an individual. What a completely heartless thing to say!

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Selloff Hinted At Assembly

by thedepressedsoul in

the last talk at the assembly made an interesting statement, "we can show faith by following direction if we're asked to move to another kingdom hall for better use of dedicated christian funds".

this statement has everyone talking.

i spoke to multiple individuals and they heard the same thing at different assembly's.. i know they have been "evaluating" all kingdom halls the last year or two.

Thisismein1972

Men will be lovers of jw.org. having no natural thinking abilities...