Posts by peacefulpete

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Wedding Anniversary #62

by smiddy3 in

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hi friends , i thought i would just let you know it`s my wife and i, 62nd wedding anniversary today.. not that we were able to celebrate much as my wife wasn`t up to it today .. however i did manage to give her a couple of champers at home ,while i had a couple o ales with friends down at the club and managed to put on lotto for tonite and a couple of keno`s from the club ,you never know the god`s might smile upon us for doing something right after all these years.?.

take care guys.. smiddy 3.

peacefulpete

Belated Congrats

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Passport to Heaven

by JW Answers in

jehovah's witnesses believe that only 144,000 go to heaven, where as the bible teaches us that all who come to jesus can!

nothing in the bible for 144,000.. the bible teaches that salvation is not through religion, works, self righteousness or human effort.

but salvation is only through the person of the lord jesus christ.. feel free to watch below.

peacefulpete

You would not even be able to make your posts if Christianity wasn't true. How would you know what evil even was if we are nothing more that DNA

My dog knows that if someone abuses him he should avoid them.

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Article & Documentary on the Divine name

by Blotty in

video documentary and academic article on the divine name:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ljpgxsyiqtc&ab_channel=johnwyatthttps://www.academia.edu/14029315/the_name_of_god_y_eh_ow_ah_which_is_pronounced_as_it_is_written_i_eh_ou_ah_simplified_edition?email_work_card=title this does not prove gods name was present in the nt, however some points do lead us to that conclusion simply by process of elimination.

peacefulpete

JWGoneBad...They actually mention Martini few times. They contradict:

Divine Name Brochure....In time, God’s name came back into use. In 1278 it appeared in Latin in the work Pugio fidei (Dagger of Faith), by Raymundus Martini, a Spanish monk. Raymundus Martini used the spelling Yohoua.

WT 1980 Interestingly, Raymundus Martini, a Spanish monk of the Dominican order, first rendered the divine name as “Jehova.” This form appeared in his book Pugeo Fidei, published in 1270 C.E.—over 700 years ago.

Aid book: By combining the vowel signs of ʼAdho·nayʹ and ʼElo·himʹ with the four consonants of the Tetragrammaton the pronunciations Yeho·wahʹ and Yeho·wihʹ were formed. The first of these provided the basis for the Latinized form “Jehova(h) (In the 16th century).” The first recorded use of this form dates from the thirteenth century C.E. Raymundus Martini, a Spanish monk of the Dominican Order, used it in his book Pugeo Fidei of the year 1270.

Blotty you might find that last one interesting. The vowels were long known to be from Masoretic vowel points.

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How to debunk the 1914 calculus ONLY using JW publications?

by psyco in

i remember having read somewhere, but i cannot find it anymore, that it is possible to debunk the 1914 calculus using only jw publications, like "insight on the scriptures" (chronologies) for example.. do you have any sources about that to suggest to me?.

thanks..

peacefulpete

70 was a number representing a lifespan. 7and 10 are also symbolic numbers used countless times. When Esarhaddon was moved to restore Babylon, after it was destroyed by his father, he references the belief that Marduke had decreed 70 years of desolation for their unfaithfulness, but due to his mercy he reduced it to 11 (70 upside down was 11 in their script). Interestingly enough even 11 wasn't literal either it seems he set to rebuilding it prior to that.

When in the reign of an earlier king there were ill omens, the city offended its gods and was destroyed at their command. It was me, Esarhaddon, whom they chose to restore everything to its rightful place, to calm their anger, to assuage their wrath. You, Marduk, entrusted the protection of the land of Assur to me. The Gods of Babylon meanwhile told me to rebuild their shrines and renew the proper religious observances of their palace, Esagila. I called up all my workmen and conscripted all the people of Babylonia. I set them to work, digging up the ground and carrying the earth away in baskets..."what was taken and plundered from Babylon, he has returned" and from Sippar to Bab-marrat the chiefs of the Chaldeans bless the king, saying, "(It is he) who resettled (the people) of Babylon"....Seventy years as the period of its desolation he (Marduk) wrote down (in the book of fate). But the merciful Marduk in a moment his heart was at rest (appeased) turned it (the book) upside down and for the eleventh year ordered its restoration.

The endless debates about what starting and ending points of a period that there is every reason to believe was a literary trope in lands controlled by Babylon just results in nothing but confusion and frustration.

Add to this the fact that Ezek 4:6 similarly uses the 40 year trope to indicate the same period.

Arguing about the number of angels that can dance on the head of a pin comes to mind.

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Divisions deliberately caused by God?

by LostintheFog1999 in

assuming that you don't dismiss genesis outright as a collection of myths, i was musing about the actions of god as recorded in genesis 11:1-9 regarding the building of the tower of babel.. this origin story for the multiplicity of languages in the earth has god getting annoyed with humans for staying in one location instead of filling out across the whole world.. yahweh could have stopped the tower being built by collapsing it by means of an earthquake, sinking sand, or an extreme gale.

even using an angel to kick it over when everyone was tucked up in bed asleep.

but no, instead he muddles up the vocabulary and grammar and made brand new languages creating division and confusion.. what's more he didn't scatter them and send them off in mixed multicultural groups, but instead he lets them wander off in tribes and family groups.

peacefulpete

Here's a take on the story you may not have considered. The Flood stories are dropped into and interrupt the narrative. They form a section (6:5-9:19) of material that identifies Noah as a Flood hero rather mashed together.

It was apparently dropped here because the narrative mentions a Noah as a vine grower who invents wine and takes away the curse on the ground by providing "comfort". (5:29) (9:20,21) The meaning of his name.

Different traditions about a man named Noah, one the flood hero, the other a farmer who brings consolation from the curse on the ground by making wine. Remove the section and the narrative flows unbroken and eliminates all the contradictions created by its insertion. The 120 years lifespan limit, the Nephilim appearing after the flood, Nimrod as one of the "mighty" men/Nephilim.

Interestingly the isolated tower story (9 verses) also was sewn into the narrative without any real continuity. The story was a short origin tale explaining languages through the clever play on the Hebrew word bālal "confuse" and the name of the Akkadian city 'Babel.

The connection to Nimrod is made by readers only because Babel was said the beginning of his empire. Nimrod is not part of the tower story at all. The mention of the city Babel offered the compiler an opportunity to drop this short tower legend into the narrative just like he had done with the Flood story.

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MY EXPERIMENT with new A.I. (Artificial Intelligence) refutes Watchtower chronology in a blazing one second of time

by Terry in

bulletin (apple ios users only).

these secular sources and evidence suggest that the destruction of jerusalem by babylon took place in 537 bce, not 607 bce as jehovah's witnesses believe.. .

these problems with the watchtower society's reasoning suggest that their interpretation of the bible and the date of the destruction of jerusalem by babylon is incorrect.. .

peacefulpete

586/7....not 537

I don't think I'll load that app.

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Underage child: PIMI vs PIMO parents rights

by psyco in

i am a pimo, inactive, parent of an underage child.

i was wondering what rights i have in regards to avoid that my child will be baptized when still underage, not having read the entire bible and before being able to clearly evaluate all the alternatives and consequences (like it happened to me) whereas the other pimi parent has all the rights to do it.

any experiences about children in a pimi vs pimo parents situation?

peacefulpete

How old are they? How indoctrinated are they? PIMO parents have an impossible road. Pretending to believe while hoping your children don't. The best lesson you can teach your children is to be their own person and learn to think for themselves. Taking a stand takes courage, doing it while being loving takes real strength and patience.

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Article & Documentary on the Divine name

by Blotty in

video documentary and academic article on the divine name:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ljpgxsyiqtc&ab_channel=johnwyatthttps://www.academia.edu/14029315/the_name_of_god_y_eh_ow_ah_which_is_pronounced_as_it_is_written_i_eh_ou_ah_simplified_edition?email_work_card=title this does not prove gods name was present in the nt, however some points do lead us to that conclusion simply by process of elimination.

peacefulpete

When examining the vowel points of YHWH in the Massoretic tradition one will note one major deviance between the vowels of ’DNY ’adonây and those given to YHWH, namely that the Yôd in YHWH is pointed with a shewa and not a chatef-patach (which looks like a shewa and patach side by side). The reason for this variance is simple: In Hebrew grammar, Yôd at the beginning of a word rarely takes a compound shewa (aka ultra short vowels, e.g. chatef-patach, chatef-segol, and chatef-qamets), in such situations Yôd is usually pointed with a shewa. This system works flawlessly with one minor hitch: when the text is written as ’DNY YHWH (variations of this construction occur about 300x in the text), the reader would be forced to read the awkward phrase, "’adonây ’adonây". To prevent such, the reader would instead read, "’adonây ’elohîm". The pointing of the name YHWH in these circumstances thus reflects vowels of the Qere (what is read, in this case ’elohîm).

This comment from a Hebrew linguist pretty well silences the arguments form the video. The vowel points are not indicative of an ancient pronunciation but an artifact of the vowel pointing of adonai and elohim. These wiki pages also address this: Qere and Ketiv - Wikipedia

Jehovah - Wikipedia

To use the translation or vowel pointing of theophoric names as indicative of the pronunciation of the YHYH is humorously backward. Surely the Masoretes knew they were theophoric names and used the same vowel points.

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Where did Enoch go - God transferred him?

by Fisherman in

god did not take the lives of the wicked contemporaries of enoch, instead he took the life of enoch.

and that seems like a great injustice to deprive innocent enoch of life instead of killing the wicked.

—i said seems.. a man goes to get surgery but first they give him an opiate like narcotic and he falls asleep gladly and with pleasure and euphoria.

peacefulpete

Vidqun....John 3:13.

Yes, Enoch is one of the more ancient and enigmatic characters. The earliest layers of Jewish thought seems to have solar associations so the intertestamental literature likely reflect a very old tradition, perhaps drawn from Sumerian parallels.

Jubilees 4:17-18 "He was the first among men that are born on earth who learnt writing and knowledge and wisdom and who wrote down the signs of heaven according to the order of their months in a book, that men might know the seasons of the years according to the order of their separate months. And he was the first to write a testimony and he testified to the sons of men among the generations of the earth, and recounted the weeks of the jubilees, and made known to them the days of the years, and set in order the months and recounted the Sabbaths of the years as we made known to him."

I did a thread some time ago on the topic of the genealogies in Genesis.

Jabal Jubal and Tubal and Song of the Sword.

Leolaia does some speculating regarding the breakdown :

Enoch's Sumerian ancestors.

Christian writers certainly knew those traditions and drew upon them.

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Law of Diminishing Returns

by Rattigan350 in

the law of diminishing returns states: the law of diminishing returns is an economic principle stating that as investment in a particular area increases, the rate of profit from that investment, after a certain point, cannot continue to increase if other variables remain at a constant.

as investment continues past that point, the return diminishes progressively.. from 1900 through the 1980s, the more witnesses that got baptized and pioneered, the more bible studies that could be had and the more additional witnesses that could join and then congregations would get bigger and they would divide and form in other areas.

but in the 1990s the law of diminishing returns kicked in, particularly in the bigger cities.

peacefulpete

How many interested people became disinterested after a couple of hours of research?

People like you might do a couple hours research, but most people can't be bothered to spend 10 minutes googling and then assess the credibility of what they are reading. IMO, most people still assess the 'truthiness' of something by how they feel. Religion will be around forever.