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  Fancy Dancer....JTB's Death

  by peacefulpete in

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  2. bible

  it might surprise some to find that john the baptizer's (jtb) death is described a number of ways in the traditions of the gospels, josephus and the mandeans (jewish gnostic sect that followed jtb).

  first g.mark says john was reluctantly killed soon after he baptizes jesus by "herod".

  this herod is described mark 6:.

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  I briefly mentioned the manuscript variants regarding the name of the first wife of Herodias in Matthew. Likely this was an editor's attempt to sort the story out. Phillip the Tetrarch was never titled "Herod". The "Herod" whose wife Herod Antipas took was apparently Herod II.

  There is no contemporary evidence for Philip the Tetrarch's use of the name "Herod Philip" (Greek: Ἡρώδης Φίλιππος, Hērōdēs Philippos) as a dynastic title, as did occur with his brothers Herod Antipas and Herod Archelaus. Herod II is sometimes called "Herod Philip I" (because both the Gospel of Matthew[4] and Gospel of Mark[5] call the husband of Herodias "Philip"), and then Philip the Tetrarch is called "Herod Philip II".[6][7] Kokkinos says, "The stubborn insistence of many theologians in referring to Herod III as 'Herod Philip' is without any value...No illusory Herod Philip ever existed."[7][pp. 223–233]; [266] Philip the Tetrarch, "unlike his brothers, did not use Herod as a dynastic name."[8] Philip's half-brothers, Archelaus and Antipas, had adopted the name of Herod, "presumably" for a dynastic claim from Herod the Great.[9
  Herod II was the first husband of Herodias, and because both the Gospel of Matthew[3] and Gospel of Mark[4] state that Herodias was married to Philip, some scholars have argued that his name was actually Herod Philip. Because he was the grandson of the high priest Simon Boethus he is sometimes described as Herod Boethus, but there is no evidence he was actually thus called.[5]
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  Hip replacement on Monday. Wish me luck.

  by GrreatTeacher in

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  2. medical

  as the title says i'm having a total hip replacement on monday.

  the pain has grown over the years and now i'm using a cane to walk.

  after steroid injections and physical therapy, it was decided that a total hip replacement is appropriate.

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  Neighbor lady had it done 3 years ago, she just came back from bowling competition. So, I guess it was a good choice.

  They often say the results are up to the patient's determination and willingness to do the post-op therapy. So, just do it. Good luck.
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  Anti-gravity in the new world!

  by BoogerMan in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  from golden age, march 24, 1926. https://jws-library.one/?file=data/1926/g_e_19260324/g_e_19260324.html#bookmark22.

  "many have wondered how accidents would be avoided during christ’s kingdom, since we are told that nothing shall then hurt or destroy.

  most accidents are due to gravitation and its effects.

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  That's a great find. It was elsewhere postulated that angels would be babysitters for each of us, intervening whenever we tripped on a tree root or wind knocked a branch down. It struck me as rather humorous, would it have been better to make a human that was durable?
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  I hate the way they talk.

  by Riley in

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  what is with the jw cadence when they speak.

  do they think they are teaching people ?

  they sound like pro wrestlers doing promos or shakespearean actors.

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  You mean the mechanical, canned responses they present instead of genuine thoughts, opinions & emotions?

  I think that is the sum of it. The sound of (in)sincerity - ScienceDirect
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  Nobody else understands

  by ElderBerry in

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  2. beliefs

  if you once were fully pimi and truly believed jw doctrine to the core like i once did, when you come to the reality that it is not the truth at all it can be extremely devastating.. i think only other ex jws could ever understand.

  i wasted my entire life i thought the real life was yet to come to wasted the best years knocking on doors.

  now i’m so angry.. i can understand why so many top themselves when they realise it was all lies..

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  peacefulpete

  Healthful choices. Fact is, most everyone wants to have a successful family and get along peacefully with others.

  The fly in the ointment with religions like JWs is the measure and method of control. The use of shaming and shunning destroys happiness every bit as much as the supposed destructive lifestyle they wish to control.

  Of course, we also have issues relating to the psychology of apocalypticism and isolation.
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  List of main points from 2023 AGM

  by ExBethelitenowPIMA in

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  2. beliefs

  1. doctrinal changes how new light comes about.

  the gb raise questions then talk about it, unless it’s unanimous they wait, then years later talk again if it’s unanimous it then gets announced as new light.. 2. the gb are imperfect and sometimes make mistakes.

  they are not to apologise or even admit they were wrong.

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  BTW....when did they change from 2/3rds vote to unanimous for doctrinal changes? Or do I have that wrong?
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  List of main points from 2023 AGM

  by ExBethelitenowPIMA in

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  1. doctrinal changes how new light comes about.

  the gb raise questions then talk about it, unless it’s unanimous they wait, then years later talk again if it’s unanimous it then gets announced as new light.. 2. the gb are imperfect and sometimes make mistakes.

  they are not to apologise or even admit they were wrong.

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  It kind of sounds like they may be going back to the 70's teaching about Romans 2 (I suspect from Ray Franz). For a brief time they said, some might be judge favorably based upon their conscience.

  The 2 references have been removed from the computer files long ago but it was there as I discussed it at length with others.

  14 (Indeed, when Gentiles, who do not have the law, do by nature things required by the law, they are a law for themselves, even though they do not have the law. 15 They show that the requirements of the law are written on their hearts, their consciences also bearing witness, and their thoughts sometimes accusing them and at other times even defending them.) 16 This will take place on the day when God judges people’s secrets through Jesus Christ, as my gospel declares.
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  Nobody else understands

  by ElderBerry in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  if you once were fully pimi and truly believed jw doctrine to the core like i once did, when you come to the reality that it is not the truth at all it can be extremely devastating.. i think only other ex jws could ever understand.

  i wasted my entire life i thought the real life was yet to come to wasted the best years knocking on doors.

  now i’m so angry.. i can understand why so many top themselves when they realise it was all lies..

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  Similar story, lots of years of tilting at windmills. A word of advice. Go on a few former Mormon sites for a couple days. There are many, many people in a similar place as former JWs. I have dear friends who were kicked out of Wisconsin Synod Lutheran church, Disillusioned Baptists and even 2 ex-nuns. Oh and another that was in a sex cult that kept her pretty much a prisoner.
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  Santa?

  by peacefulpete in

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  this rare phenomenon occurring above storm clouds 40-70 miles above the earth has only been observed scientifically a few times previously.

  the link above is the first real time video of it occurring.

  now some science obsessed people might try to dismiss this as some boring physics display, but we know don't we......... it only stands to reason that his magic sleigh would require periodic maintenance and practice runs.

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  This rare phenomenon occurring above storm clouds 40-70 miles above the earth has only been observed scientifically a few times previously. The link above is the first real time video of it occurring. Now some science obsessed people might try to dismiss this as some boring physics display, but we know don't we......... It only stands to reason that his magic sleigh would require periodic maintenance and practice runs. How wise for Santa to do this above the cover of thunder clouds.
  
  
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  Who will be killed at Armageddon?

  by ExBethelitenowPIMA in

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  2. beliefs

  if the current doctrine is that only baptised witnesses are going to survive and everyone else burns them what about this new update new light that some from before the flood and sodomites will be resurrected?.

  but didn’t he mention at the agm something about there is no point jehovah killing them and then resurrecting them again?

  it seems they are confused about what they teach and that’s why brother jackson joked about “is this what we used to believe or what we believe now?”.

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  So from what I understand is that the ‘noo light’ is that even if you die before Armageddon, if you rejected the WTBTS at any point (whether you slammed the door or you were born-in and left) you will die.

  Don't know what has been said in last 20 years but they always said that people who had 'sufficient opportunity' to enlist but didn't, would not be resurrected. It was part of their last days=judgement period package of 1914 doctrines.