Posts by wallsofjericho

but they learned a lesson! just look at the 1915 year text! they now had to endure test and be refined, just like all of us today, sometimes things dont happen like we expected, will we too be able to drink the cup of jehovah?

typical WTS spin

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Is the AGM today?

by hamsterbait in

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anybody going or who can give us the noolite hot from the gb a$$?.

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wallsofjericho

absalem!!

your there now???

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Watchtower/Telecom Ownership Agreement!

by Atlantis in

watchtower-qcstelecom ownership agreement.. .

re: petition to transfer ownership of qcstelecom, inc., to watchtower bible and tract society.

http://documents.dps.ny.gov/public/common/viewdoc.aspx?docrefid=%7b57614a3f-7101-408a-8b25-b3499530db5a%7d.

wallsofjericho

ann o maly and undertheradar

I think your both onto the truth. The fact that the WTS actually stated the price for the company is presently unknown.... of course its known! $1.00 (!!)

this was set up from the beginning to allow the JW's to own a shell company.

I'm still not sure why they felt the need to actually own a company rather than just hire it out. Just money? smells fishy

WHEREAS, QCS is a corporation organized under the New York Transportation Corporations Law as a telecom company, and a Certificate of Public Convenience and Necessity was issued to QCS on November 15, 2011, by the New York Public Service Commission ("PSC") to operate in New York State as a facilities-based provider and reseller of telephone service, without authority to provide local exchange service; and WHEREAS, Watchtower is a not-for-profit corporation that owns three complexes of office, residence, and ancillary buildings located in or near the communities of Patterson, Wallkill, and Tuxedo, New York and is developing a fourth complex of such buildings at or near Warwick, New York, which complexes will have a combined population of approximately 5,000 on-site residents and staff providing religious and charitable services to the public; and WHEREAS, QCS intends to install a high-speed, fiber-optic network between Watchtower's facilities in Patterson, Wallkill, Tuxedo, and Warwick, New York, and, upon completion of the network, to enter into an output contract with Watchtower, under which Watchtower will purchase 100% of the network data, voice, and internet services that QCS can provide for use and benefit of the residents and staff living and working at Watchtower's complexes;

this was insightful - http://siteresources.worldbank.org/EXTFINANCIALSECTOR/Resources/282884-1303327122200/234Banno-607.pdf

I think were going to see the WTS creating telecomm services to its own branches and KH's world wide and getting government grants as a result.

Of course, KH's will agree to plege a monthly donation for these internet services that stream data directly from the mother ship to the congregation

this seems to lay it out the clearest...

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Do the Governing Body believe their own teachings or know it's a lie? Are they atheists?

by BucketShopBill in

the new young blood gb member, you think he really thinks this is the truth or is he protecting his financial interest like all the older gb members who enjoy basking in glory of men?

do you think they believe in the "over-lapping generation" or was that a mistake done by barr?.

how much of the watchtower and the bible do the governing body know, ray franz jr. said he was not impressed with their bible knowledge and their lack of knowledge of the watchtower cannon.

wallsofjericho

I share OnTheWayOut's sentiment

I think they honestly and sincerely believe Jah is running the Org. But when they get in the top seat, they can't help but feel a sense of dissappointment with reality.

Certainly any JW on the planet would imagine all sorts of divine direction and "guidance" from Jehovah amongst the GB. But once they get there, they're busy consulting the Legal Dept. about what they can and can't do in a situation, and consulting a research team about what they currently teach in print on a complicated subject and then directing another team to figure out a way to transition their old light into their end product new light.

There must be a sense of "business" when making the big decisions. The lack of "spiritual guidance" from Jah must be present. the feeling, the knowing that THEY are making a decision that will have consequences must make them feel like they are doing this on their own without Jehovah

I would imagine there are some among the GB that long for the old days of warm fuzzy ignorance to the reality of running a major corporation.

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Is truth relative?

by Pinku in

seeing various/changing laws on the same action, some may feel truth is relative, and there is no such thing as right and wrong.. yet a closer look at beneath the details would show that truth is not relative, and everyone knows what is right and wrong.. driving in the night by putting the head-light off is wrong, but right when country is in war with another country.

behind both the conflicting laws, the truth is same: safety and welfare of the people.

this is true of notion about what is right and wrong:.

wallsofjericho

yes?

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Why do you come here?

by love2Bworldly in

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i come here to learn, but i also come here because it feels like a private club and i'm privy to be a member of the "in" crowd.

it's a great place to socialize.

does anyone else feel that they are a member of a special "club" when they come here, that only some people in this world will understand the jw world?.

wallsofjericho

i don't read any WT articles anymore, i come here to benefit from those that do and share the "new light" so I can watch more football

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Was Charles Russell delusional or just a con artist?

by keyser soze in

i've seen him referred to as both on this forum.. did he sincerely believe that he was an inspired prophet whose end-time predictions and biblical interpretations came from god?

or was he just a shrewd businessman who saw a market of disillusioned christians who believed that armageddon was imminent that he could exploit?.

i personally lean toward the latter.. .

wallsofjericho

i think he sincerely believed what he taught. But after 1914 I am certain he finally felt the cold reality smack him in the face the same way Barbour did back in 1878, but by that time it was too late.

It seems after 1914 till his death in 1916, CTR really had nothing much to say about anything. After he dies Rutherford turned the religion on its head.

CTR must have realized he was a false prophet

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Spanking VS. Reasoning

by SpeedRacer in

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i am having a discussion at work with the jw's.

should you spank a child to make them understand or do you reason with them.

they both agree with spanking.

wallsofjericho

ecan6

Terry

and that is why this is still such a debate. ALL KIDS ARE DIFFERENT. Good for you ecan6 for recognizing your dad's discipline for what it was. It obviously was a direct response to bad behaviour and not abuse or "laziness" by your father.

Terry, wonderful to see sincere love for your children and for your childfren to be so moved by it that it was all that was needed to correct their behaviours.

perhaps ecan6 would have viewed your tears differently than your kids and stronger discipline would have been necessary for HIM were he your child. No one can say for sure, but we all know families with good kids and problem kids. I would assume both are raised in the same manner yet one may still need strong discipline while others need only a look from a parent to be enough.

all kids are different. Unfortuntaley sometimes a quick pat on the bum (and never in anger or with aggression) is the one thing that will get a wild young boys attention.