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  Obey Jehovah's Janitors! Fake study article

  by RayPublisher in

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  2. humour

  obey jehovah's janitors!

  thank geehovah for the elder-janitor class brothers.... .

  http://www.s98060354.onlinehome.us/bu/obey-jehovah%27s-janitors_wt-large.png.

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  Too funny! Brilliant!!
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  If only there were another GB member like Ray Franz

  by tornapart in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  i'm just rereading crisis of conscience and was thinking if only there were others on the gb like him.

  maybe things could change for the better.

  for instance when he felt troubled that a woman couldn't get a divorce when her husband cheated on her with another man.. his response was this:-"the emotional upset i felt moved me to make a study of the original language terms (in greek) used in matthew, chapter nineteen, verse 9.".

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  Yes, I agree redvip... for most of them it's probably true. The difference with Ray is that he had a consience and acted on it. It would be interesting if this happens again with one of them.
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  If only there were another GB member like Ray Franz

  by tornapart in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  i'm just rereading crisis of conscience and was thinking if only there were others on the gb like him.

  maybe things could change for the better.

  for instance when he felt troubled that a woman couldn't get a divorce when her husband cheated on her with another man.. his response was this:-"the emotional upset i felt moved me to make a study of the original language terms (in greek) used in matthew, chapter nineteen, verse 9.".

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  tornapart

  I'm just rereading Crisis of Conscience and was thinking if only there were others on the GB like him. Maybe things could change for the better. For instance when he felt troubled that a woman couldn't get a divorce when her husband cheated on her with another man.

  His response was this:-"The emotional upset I felt moved me to make a study of the original language terms (in Greek) used in Matthew, chapter nineteen, verse 9."

  He ended up researching it, then preparing a 14 page resume' which he presented to the other members and was received well and he wrote the necessary articles explaining the 'new understanding'.

  A sister wrote a letter saying how she had divorced her husband for having sex with an animal. She went on to remarry and was disfellowshipped as it was an 'unscriptural' marriage. Upon reading the articles she wanted to know if she could 'clear her name'.

  This is what Ray went on to say about it:-" I could only write her that the articles published were themselves a vindication of her course. Though again it had been satisfying to prepare the material acknowledging the organization’s erroneous view and rectifying it, the sobering thought remained that this could never undo whatever harm the previous position had caused over decades of time and—only God knows—to how many people."

  Unfortunately, when good men like this try to do the right thing, they are thrown out like Ray was.
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  Did Any Atheist/Agnostic Revert Back to Their Former Beliefs?

  by Space Madness in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  are their any former atheist/agnostic on here who reverted to christianity or a belief in god.

  i became an atheist back in july and it was the most unfulfilling depressive period of my life.

  i'm now starting to rebuild my relationship with god and i'm already starting to feel a lot better.

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  Space.. if you want to rebuild your faith in God try reading some books by Philip Yancey. He found himself in the place you are now after dumping his belief in God following an upbringing in a deeply fundamentalist church. He too found his 'unbelief' dissatisfying and found himself on a long journey of rediscovery. His books are very uplifting for someone wanting to rebuild their faith in God.
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  "They've made us debt FREE !!!"

  by gingerbread in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  so proclaimed the brother that read the wt letter tonight that explained the new kingdom hall funding arrangement.. everyone in the hall claps .... well, like it was the last talk on the district convention.. he says 'what bank would wipe out a debt of $200,000 ???

  only jehovah's organization!

  isn't this wonderful !!!".

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  Just wondering if the 'loans' they gave to congregations for their new KHs would take away their charity status (similar to when they dumped donations for publications). Maybe they have to change the way they do things or else they'll lose the charity status and have to fork out loads more money than the repayments they get back in loans.
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  A serving elder's take on the new "tithing" arrangement

  by TTATTelder in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  the gb can kiss my ass.. i'm writing "0" on the little slip of paper they pass out.. hey here's a thought:.

  you know that "widow's might" stuff they're always talking about?

  well i'm pretty dang sure that the lady was giving from the heart not because she filled out some dumba$$ piece of paper pledging two small coins several months previous!.

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  In our congregation it wasn't read out at all. Apparently the elders haven't read it yet and want to have time to read and understand it first. Elder hubby is P...d off at having so much extra work to do! He said if he feels that way then he won't be the only one!
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  "I no longer want to be 'Bloodguilty'"

  by stuckinarut2 in

  1. jw
  2. experiences

  i have been thinking of a simple one liner to use when challenged as to why i dont seem to be an "active / good" witness.... "i no longer wish to be considered as 'bloodguilty' thanks" and leave it at that.. if said in a dignified, (not in a smart arse way), then i think this may make people see that my desicion is a sound one based on logic and not emotion..... thoughts?.

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  Stuck... why worry about what other people (especially JWs) think? If challenged, just shrug your shoulders and say you don't want to talk about it. End of discussion.

  Yesterday I was confronted by a close relative about not following the 'organisations' directions. I told them to drop it. They did.
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  Good News Report

  by Watchtower-Free in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  good news report: talked to a man who is currently studying with the.

  jws.

  he called into jwstruggle.com and asked to talk to someone.. i called him back .

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  Cool!!
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  Rumor: New light comes from outside marketing consultants

  by Londo111 in

  1. watchtower
  2. scandals

  this is a rumor i heard back in november, it comes to me third or fourth-hand.

  feel free to poke holes.

  i have many doubts about this myself.

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  Nothing would surprise me anymore. They've certainly got a handle on how to control minds through the use of words and I'm sure they didn't think it up by themselves.

  It'll be very interesting to see what happens over the next year or two.
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  New field service rules coming this summer

  by doinmypart in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  new guidelines for field service coming this summer.

  new publication to be released giving new ways of counting time, conducting studies, group activities, etc..

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  tornapart

  Thanks for that exerpt Blondie. I remember when that came out and thought at the time how refreshing it was. I wasn't surprised when I learnt that Ray Franz wrote it. They kick out all the good guys!

  DoC ... nice spoof.. He got you good and proper didn't he DD?