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  Genesis 3:6 - Is it correct or incorrect?

  by bytheirworks in

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  an examination of genesis 3:6.... .

  in the 2013 nwt we read: "consequently, the woman saw that the tree was good for food and that it was something desirable to the eyes, yes, the tree was pleasing to look at.".

  in the douay-rheims bible we read: "and the woman saw that the tree was good to eat, and fair to the eyes, and delightful to behold".

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  tornapart

  This is what the Strong's Exhaustive Concordance has to say about the Hebrew word used....

  consider, expert, instruct, prosper, deal prudently, give skillful, have good success, teach,

  A primitive root; to be (causatively, make or act) circumspect and hence, intelligent -- consider, expert, instruct, prosper, (deal) prudent(-ly), (give) skill(-ful), have good success, teach, (have, make to) understand(-ing), wisdom, (be, behave self, consider, make) wise(- ly), guide wittingly.

  and Gill's Exposition says this about it.....

  a tree to be desired to make one wise; which above all was the most engaging, and was the most prevailing motive to influence her to eat of it, an eager desire of more wisdom and knowledge; though there was nothing she could see in the tree, and the fruit of it, which promised this; only she perceived in her mind, by the discourse she had with the serpent, and by what he had told her, and she believed, that this would be the consequence of eating this fruit, which was very desirable, and she concluded within herself that so it would be:
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  Wife update

  by problemaddict in

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  if you want the short version, scroll down to "short version".. .

  so i am at 1200 posts or so (only about 6 were probably of note), and i still havenlt told my story and probably won't for some time.

  basically, i was a born in who has served in other countries, as an ms, and given talks etc... my wife and i were in foreign language, have co's we have counted as close family friends, and were basically the golden boy and girl of their respective areas.

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  tornapart

  Awesome! Shows that with patience, it can be done!!
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  "Truth Brings Not Peace, But A Sword" talk Jehovah's Witnesses 2013 convention

  by doughnutkitty in

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  i'm at the convention now (by parental force) and i just heard in the saturday talk "truth brings not peace, but a sword" about how it's a terrible "torture stake" that witnesses are disinherited by their worldly families when they choose to join the jehovah's witness religion and how awful and painful that is for a person to endure.

  switch the situation around and you'll find it is exactly what happens to those who choose to leave the organization, but only then is it okay because "disfellowshipped people need to be disciplined"?

  this is absolutely ridiculous.

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  tornapart

  Saturday's talks made me feel sick, distressed, angry and depressed. I also looked around and wondered how many like me were enduring it. Didn't help much to see 'apostates' (I would call them awakened ones) outside. I would loved to have stopped and talked but couldn't. I didn't go Sunday!
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  The relationship between the Father and Son. What's your opinion?

  by DATA-DOG in

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  i am curious about this.

  ever since i realized that there is no proof that jesus=michael the archangel, i wondered about who jesus was.

  that's how i think of the father and the son, or the word.

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  tornapart

  Agree wholeheartedly DD!!
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  Lurkers and Apologists, can you please explain.....

  by DATA-DOG in

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  2. beliefs

  ..from the scriptures why.... 1) material wealth is a sign of jehovah's blessing in our modern day.. 2) why jehovah blesses the growth of chicken populations, but allows active jehovah's witnesses to die in field service, or on the way to conventions, and on the way to celebrate the memorial?

  3) why jesus is not your mediator?

  bibles and a concordance only.

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  tornapart

  I've got one for apologists too... it was on an excellent video on how to ask JWs questions.

  1) How many does the bible say are 'born again' or 'born of God'?

  2) Do you, as a JW, believe that Jesus is the Messiah or Christ?

  3) Now, please read 1 John 5:1 and tell me how many it says are born of God.

  And if you question whether 'born of God' means the same as 'born again' please read the NWT cross reference to 1 Peter 1:3
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  AGM 5 OCTOBER 2013 (UNOFFICIAL RUMORS)

  by WatchTower87 in

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  - 23 day to go .. annual meeting unofficial rumors.

  - new bible.

  - new nwt (revision).

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  who's got a ticket?

  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oB6wp4Mm81I
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  "The excitement is PALPABLE"

  by Separation of Powers in

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  got caught at the supermarket (in between the martini olives and snack crackers ) with several bottles of hard liquor in my basket along with some red licorice by a sister that has known me for years.

  still respects me, not knowing that i am in full fade mode, or at least not recognizably knowing.

  anyway, when she sees me, her eyes get all big and she heads in my direction, nearly ramming my liquor laden cart with her vegan oriented basket.. "hey sop, how are you doing?

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  tornapart

  Not sure about the congregation because no one has said much about it to me but hubby, who's an elder said he can't understand what all the fuss is all about...
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  Funny story from where the need is great!!

  by DATA-DOG in

  1. jw
  2. experiences

  i am sittng in my kitchen, posting on jwn.

  in the meantime my family is sitting around talking about their experiences in a foreign country.

  i am talking too, but they don't know what i am typing.

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  tornapart

  LOL DD! I do like your posts! I sometimes read JWN while family is around and sometimes post too, like you, they don't know what I'm typing... I could be on facebook as far as they know.. LOL but to write down some of the ridiculous things they say while they are saying it must be a bit of a buzz..
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  CANCELL MY REQUEST FOR MEMBERSHIP I HATE APOSTATES

  by Simon in

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  lol, just received this email:.

  idiots!

  you of weak minds that have chosen to leave the truth!

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  tornapart

  Even when I was totally 'in', I would still have found this comment totally ludicrous... now I can just see it scream 'cult'!!
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  I hate it that I have to lie so much to fade...

  by ILoveTTATT in

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  i am feeling down... i feel trapped, and don't know what to do... just need to vent here i guess.... so my mom calls me today, and asks how i am doing.

  "how are you doing spiritually?

  " i respond... yeah, you know, the usuals... service, meeting, etc.... she tells me that she's doing a lot of service with my dad... i say, "great!"...

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  tornapart

  I'm in the same place with my mum.. my hubby knows how I feel and she does a very little but I have to hide a lot of what I feel with her. I have to pretend a lot. She worries about my 'spirituality' as she calls it. It's hard not to be able to tell her how I really feel about things but I know she wouldn't be able to handle it. I keep off JW things as much as possible. I know what she loves to talk about so I just stick to those things, if it starts veering off into JW speech, I let her have her say then try and change the subject. It works quite well a lot of the time. It's still hard though!!