Posts by Londo111

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This just in new policy bethel

by poopie in

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i called bethel recently asking a question.

the question was do you have a bible example of someone that showed pricipled love to anothet human by giving them the silent treament for months?

answer well bro are you a jw yes well we will aens the elders over to help you.

Londo111

Not a new policy. That is business as usual.

It's an effective cult mechanism to eliminate those asking questions that cannot be asked or answered.

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Please could you give me your opinions on this statement? . . .

by Miss Worldly in

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'i have prayed, and confessed my sins to my god, i'm not telling them (the elders) anything'.

.. could this be a significant sign that there maybe a small dent in the armour of an active jw?

or is it just a case of 'keep your nose out' ?

Londo111

I wish I had been so smart! Instead I put my head in the lion's mouth.

According to the elder's handbook, if it turns out an elder has done something worthy of a judicial committee before his appointment, and several years have elapsed, then not only might he escape a judicial committee, he might retain his position.

If I had known this bit from the elder's handbook, I would have never come forward as a rank and file member and voluntary confessed private matters to those who in reality have no business hearing what I'd rather keep private, much less trying me for it.

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Theocratic Warfare

by stuckinarut2 in

no doubt we noticed the royal commission ask vin toole (and i think terry o'brien) about the expression "theocratic warfare"?.

they were asked to explain it and what is meant to witnesses.. vin outrightly lied when he said he "had never heard of that expression!".

i remember him using that term in conversations and talks many times!!

Londo111

So if I understand that...lying IS NOT "misrepresenting or distorting facts", "omitting key information to deceive", or "exaggerating the truth" IF someone isn't "entitled
to know the truth".

Of course, who is not "entitled to know the truth"? Whoever Watchtower decides is not entitled. That loophole could give someone licence to lie...but redefine the word so that they are not "lying".

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Is my friend on the way out of the organisation?

by The Rebel in

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when i left the watchtower i realised it was best to put friendships on hold.

however i mentioned to my best friend that i didn't agree with how they handled child abuse issues and that was one of the reasons i left.. anyway as i am fortunate and own two rental apartments and he is a plumber so we have kept in contact, in that i email him when i require his services and he sends me the invoice.

anyway i am now dissociated, but yesterday i emailed him about a pluming problem, and he replied.. " sorry we missed going to the indian ( this was a comment made about us having a meal together about 9 months ago, which i backed out of because i felt he was too indoctrinated and i had not disassociated myself) anyway his email continued:-.

Londo111

Renew the friendship! If they are willing to associate with you despite you being DAed, that is awesome! They might be waking up.

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Disfellowshipping Sounds Wonderful to Me Now

by xjwsrock in

2 people were read out last week as disfellowshipped.

of course now the announcement is read "so and so is no longer one of jehovahs witnesses".

they read that statement twice, once for each of the names.

Londo111

It might sound fun, but it can hurt like nothing else, especially if the people being DFed has any sort of belief in the organization. Even for someone awake, the pain of shunning can be unbearable. I speak from experience on both fronts.

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We talk a lot about conditional friends on here

by cappytan in

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friends

so, when people post about being shunned by their friends, i've heard several posters say things like, "their friendship is conditional.

real friendships aren't conditional.".

i'm sorry, but that just isn't really true.. if you and i were friends, there are conditions.

Londo111

I believe most people speak of these things in the conventional, relative meaning, rather than in the absolute literal.

BTW…having gone through divorce and so forth, THEN a year later having gone through being shunned by everyone I knew including family, I’m not sure a friend sleeping with my wife would automatically be a dealbreaker for either my friendship or marriage. Of course, I’ve never had that specific experience, so I can’t say for sure. But being shunning made me reevaluate things. Apart from physical violence or sexual assault, isolating someone is one of the most worst things you can do to a person.

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AGM 2015: "New Light"

by Londo111 in

i could only manage to watch the part of the antitypical babylonian exile not being from 1914-1919, but from some time in the second century to 1919..

for the interest on keeping tabs what family and former friends are being taught...what other new light was given?

specifically, what is the new light in regard the mark?.

Londo111

That is a big problem. It's like pulling out the table cloth underneath a table full of dishes and not disturbing anything.

Of course, it's made up out of thin air as it is...and many JWs would be hard pressed to explain it in any way. One hard to grasp teaching out of thin air might just do as another hard to grasp slight of hand trick.

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AGM 2015: "New Light"

by Londo111 in

i could only manage to watch the part of the antitypical babylonian exile not being from 1914-1919, but from some time in the second century to 1919..

for the interest on keeping tabs what family and former friends are being taught...what other new light was given?

specifically, what is the new light in regard the mark?.

Londo111

Thanks, Listener.

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AGM 2015: "New Light"

by Londo111 in

i could only manage to watch the part of the antitypical babylonian exile not being from 1914-1919, but from some time in the second century to 1919..

for the interest on keeping tabs what family and former friends are being taught...what other new light was given?

specifically, what is the new light in regard the mark?.

Londo111

I could only manage to watch the part of the antitypical “Babylonian Exile” not being from 1914-1919, but from “some time in the second century” to 1919.

For the interest on keeping tabs what family and former friends are being taught...what other “new light” was given? Specifically, what is the “new light” in regard “the mark”?

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Give me 5 minutes to explain...

by pixel in

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friends

i keep thinking about the time i will "come out" and tell my wife about this sick cult.

i don't know when that day will come, but knowing me i will seat down with her and ask her for 5 minutes to explain to her why we as a family has to get out.

my question is: what will you tell somebody in 5 minutes, that will convince that perdon that this is not a good religion to follow and that we have been deceived?.

Londo111

It’s unlikely one can in 5 minutes undo years of indoctrination.

There is no silver bullet solution…nor is it one size fits all. Some people have gotten lucky and managed to get their family out, but the majority of cases, it’s a disaster. It’s like diffusing a bomb. You have one shot and the bomb can never unexplode

When you are mentally out for a time, or have free discussions on forums like this, or with coworkers, it is easy to forget that you are not talking people who will be reasonable on this matter, but one under undue influence or mind control.

I’ve seen this played out again and again over the last four years. Often the family member will raise the aposta-alarm and call in the elders to help “restore” the person attempting to reason with them. After that, it’s all downhill from there.

Perhaps the best thing would be to watch documentaries with the person about other cults, like Going Clear, Meet the Mormons, and so forth. Then ask questions, like, “How would you reason with such a person? They are utterly convinced they have the truth. What would happen if we are one of them and realized it wasn’t true? Would we stand up for truth if it meant getting cut off from family and friends?”

It’s easier to give this advice, than to heed it though. When dealing with our own loved ones, it’s not easy to have a cool head about the matter. It’s easy to slip up.