i'm just curious about something & wonder if the experts could help.. basically i am documenting all of the main lines of evidence for the jws being the one & then investigating each claim systematically.. i have now reached the dreaded november 1st, 2011 watchtower & am sitting in front of a copy of cartes du ciel and a babylonian calendar converter i found at http://www.staff.science.uu.nl/~gent0113/babylon/babycal_converter.htm.
i realise these claims have been challenged and documented in depth elsewhere, but i'm keen to do my own research rather than copy & paste.
my question is regarding date conversion - when inputting the gregorian dates as given at the bottom of the tablet's translation i found at http://www.caeno.org/pdf/f019_translation.pdf then the lunar positions all seemed pretty close (visually, i wasn't dealing with exact degrees here).
My research is as follows:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3Ltze4khcA8&index=27&list=PLyNx0oM_bmgDJHQFzgm4L0rRuPpwTOVmz
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FOx7iUS_dEw&index=28&list=PLyNx0oM_bmgDJHQFzgm4L0rRuPpwTOVmz
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sXnM2rh0i8s&index=29&list=PLyNx0oM_bmgDJHQFzgm4L0rRuPpwTOVmz
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NmOUDC8g_tA&list=PLyNx0oM_bmgDJHQFzgm4L0rRuPpwTOVmz&index=30
i just caught bbc news--arrested terrorist was previously a jw before converting to islam
if we are to look at matthew 1:17, looks like there were 42 generations from abraham to jesus.. if we take 1948 bce (abraham's birth) and we take it to jesus baptisim (29 ce) we get to 1,977 years.. so lets divide 1977 years by 42 (the amount of generations), we get to around 47 years for one generation.. 1 generation = 47 years.. 1 generation + an overlapping generation (1 generation more) = 94 years.. this is all in the first chapter of the new testament..... comments welcome.....
let me see if i have this straight.
we are to believe noah preached over a 100 years with 0 effect.. the bible records that lamech, noah's father had sons and daughter's but the number is not included.
to have a plural number of brothers and sisters, there would be at least four siblings, two brothers and two sisters.. my folks had 6 kids and 90 years later there are over 100 family members.. some say based on what's written in gen.6:3, noah preached anywhere between 100-120 years.
I should preface by saying I don't believe in a global flood as the Watchtower teaches some 4-5000 years ago and I mainly see this story allegorically. However, it's not unreasonable that a Mesopotamian flood occurred thousands of years ago that flooded all the land as far as the eye could see.
With that said, 2 Peter 2:5, in some Bibles say, "a proclaimer of righteousness."
The Greek word means, "a herald or messenger vested with public authority, who conveyed the official messages of kings, magistrates, princes, military commanders, or who gave a public summons or demand, and performed various other duties. In the NT God's ambassador, and the herald or proclaimer of the divine word."
Within the framework of the story, could Noah simply have proclaimed to his family? Or have been a proclaimer by his actions, simply being a righteousness man in a violent world? Or been an ambassador the proclaimer by building the ark? And even being a preacher, does that mean going house to house?
The Watchtower retrofits door-to-door evangelizing, a modern invention, backwards and writes themselves into every story in the Bible.
been dwelling on this for a while.
was there any particular history on this or anywhere where the wt picked up someone else's doctrine?.
in most cases, the bible uses the word "disgusting thing" to refer to idols, idolatry and false religion.
is it an outside source?.
an inside job?
maybe the younger gb "helpers"?.
im kinda mad, its hard to shake off the look of that little girls face...standing in someones basement, scared.. why the hiding?
if these people werent in this basement, would they be killed?
all them years of studying and being loyal, and its come to this.......being scared in a basement....all bad !
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they just put up a link to watch a replay of the "new kh meeting", here some screenshots.. .
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i can't believe i'm the first one to admit going to this meeting.
it was a 3 hour video stream from patterson.
the first bit was used to set up the need.
hello forum,.
i'm new here and not sure where to post.
so, i'm 21 years old and currently a baptized witness, however, i'm slowly making my mind up to leave and here's why.. first, there are certain things that make no sense to me in the organization.
I would not DA. The best thing to do is fade.
I would use this time to read the following:
Crisis of Conscience
In Search of Christian Freedom
Combatting Cult Mind Control
After reading these, I believe you will be able to put your observations, which are spot on, in perspective.
