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EU Court Ruling Against WT on Data-Protection

by cofty in

today's london times reports on the july ruling of the eu court that forces the organisation country to comply with data protection.. the action originated in finland but the ruling will affect every eu country.

the cult tried unsuccessfully to argue that the notes taken by jws in the door-to-door work were personal and not accessed by the congregation.

the court ruled that they are acting under the auspices of the congregation and therefore they must comply with data-protection laws.. keeping lists of do-not-calls also falls under this ruling.. why does the cult always feel that it is above the law?.

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A hand written note by a "publisher of the good news" is an official document. The "publisher" is the official custodian of record of said document. Individual "publishers" would legally be considered agents of their local congregations and therefor agents of their international organization.

I can't tell you how many times I went out in the ministry an we ended up working the "not-at-homes" for the morning/afternoon/evening. The territory card holder would hand each pair of publishers a sheet of not-at-homes to work. Therefor the information is being shared, even if internally.

Looking back at this it gives me the creeps. I had 2 state prisons who's inmate population was considered part of the congregation's territory. There were about 50 inmates that were considered publishers and part of our congregation. When they would parole they were often welcomed with open arms right into our meetings. Those "not-at-home" records would make perfect "Burglarize these Homes" lists.

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What are they trying to hide

by UnshackleTheChains in

ok. we are all aware of the scandal around the non reporting of child abuse cases to the authorities by the elders and how it was part of watchtower policy.. this has probably been discussed before, which i apologize for now if it has.. the obvious view that most of us make as to why the gb are so reluctant to comply with the authorities by revealing their database around child abuse allegations, is that the leadership at watchtower hq likely were trying to safeguard the reputation of the organisation.. however, (just a theory) are they hiding something more sinister which could in effect devastate the organisation ie could it be they are hiding some things within the gb itself, whether it be some individuals within the gb of the past or even present who might have had some serious allegations made against them which the authorities are never going to know about?

i mean why the hell are they going to such lengths to hide everything???.

any thoughts?

truth_b_known

I think the simplest answer is the correct answer. Growing up in the organization in the 1980s I recall countless articles published by the WBTS lambasting the Catholic Church for its pedophile problems. Move forward a few decades and now Jehovah's Witnesses are being lumped into the group of religious pedophile protectors/deniers.

Jehovah's Witnesses have been preaching and publishing they are the one true religion from day one. Since the days of Rutherford they have adopted dogma and policy to unnecessarily draw lines in the sand so they can be different than everyone else.

With the public notoriety of JWs being pedophile protectors/deniers they have made themselves worse than the Catholic Church. At least the Catholic Church no longer denies they have a problem. This increases the size of the embarrassing stain on the proverbial shirt of JWs.

The non-answer given by the WBTS of "We hate pedophiles" isn't a confession. They refuse to admit the problem and continue to use their membership donations as hush money to the victims. The organization isn't hiding anything. They have been exposed. Its like playing hide-and-go seek and a person who has been found replies "No you haven't."

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You're in the Army Now: Jehovah's Witnesses No Longer Exempt From Finnish Draft

by Tahoe in

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https://sputniknews.com/europe/201809211068220658-finland-jehovah-witnesses-army/.

the finnish government has ruled that the current law allowing jehovah's witnesses to avoid military service, in place for several decades, is discriminatory and contradicts the constitution.. .

in the future, finnish jehovah's witnesses* will be obliged to either serve in the nation's military or perform civil service on the same terms as everyone else, the government ruled, submitting a corresponding proposal to parliament, national broadcaster yle reported.. according to the 1987 law, jehovah's witnesses were not only freed from the military draft, they were freed of any obligation to perform community service as a pacifist alternative, a common option among other young people in finland.

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I want to say it was 1993 when the WBTS reversed its stand on alternative compelled service. Many given this alternative to military service went to prison as they refused to do both.

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The Law : Frédéric Bastiat

by Brokeback Watchtower in

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g1glr0lrt-m.

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Let's review:

Charity > Tax payer funded entitlements

Taxation = Redistribution of wealth

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The "Faithful And Discreet Slave Class" is it still a Doctrine / Belief ? of Jehovah`s Witnesses today ? 2018 ? or is it old light.

by smiddy3 in

i have listened to steven unthank`s podcast and found it very informative and interesting and thought i would ask this question for anyone who is still a practicing member either a pimo or a pomo who only goes along for a family member ,whether this doctrine is still a part of the religions teachings ,or whether it has been dropped altogether .. your replies are much appreciated ..

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I'm with Room 215 - I would have thought there would have been whispering from the bleachers on this one. My father has proclaimed to be of the annointed since he converted back in the 1960s. Since I've been inactive since 2006 and completed out since 2010, he and I do not speak much. I have wondered what his take on this is. He filled me in back in 2005 that those who proclaimed to be of the annointed were often targeted by the organization for expulsion.

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Theramin Trees: Becoming Fools | A Visit From Some JWs

by pale.emperor in

excellent video from theramin tree's.

it's funny that we can relate entirely to the jw's in this.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ewehb4qm1hg.

truth_b_known

This is probably one of the best videos every made for giving a JW the a slight nudge to waking up to the truth about the Truth. The end reminded me of the infinite regress argument of "It's turtles all the way down." A philosopher debated the belief that the earth was supported by elephants that stood on the back of a giant tortoise. When the philosopher asked an elderly woman who supported the belief "What supports the tortoise?" the woman replied with a reptilian smile and retorted "I see what you're trying to do, but it's turtles all the way down." The Witness acted in the same way.

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What would you do or say?

by Butyoucanneverleave in

a brother who is not baptized ( so there's still hope for him ) had a sister recently run into him at a store.

show wanted to know if he's going to the kingdom hall.

she asked him to write a letter for her to give to his mother ( who's deceased) in the paradise explaining why he didn't make it.

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“By this all will know that you are my disciples, if you have love among yourselves.”—JOHN 13:35.

I would reply - "Lady, that's about as unloving as you can get, which just reaffirms that Jehovah's Witnesses are not God's people. Either I'm right or your better off tying a millstone around your neck and throwing yourself into the ocean."

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Need some advice (am I a bad person)

by Jayk in

a little back story.

i met this women she was a coworker friend mine (found out she used to be a jw also).

one night after we got to drinking, things almost heated up.. she came on to me (she leaned in and tried to kiss me) i turned her down because i knew she had a bf.

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Good.

Bad.

These are subjective titles imposed on people by other people who step outside of opinion based morality.

Two consenting adult can do what the whilst with each other. Kiss her. Don't kiss her. Neither makes you any better or worse.

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What immodest clothing have you got in trouble for wearing?

by Addison0998 in

i personally have a very distinct sense of style and fashion which many of the fellow jdubs frown upon.

recently, i was told by a few specially self righteous ones that i looked like a prostitute in a pair of white boots!

a pair of 3 inch heeled, just a little taller than the ankle boots, with skirt that came down to my knees and a black long sleeve shirt that came up to my collarbone.

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I got called in the back when I was in my early twenties. Apparently I caused a big stir with the District Overseer who attended our Circuit Assembly. I was told my hair was to short.

I had gotten a high & tight flat top. I was getting horrible scalp sores back then. I told them it was for health reasons.

I was told I may be treated like black brothers who could not shave their face because of health reasons - no talks from the platform. That never happened.

Side note: A elder from the other congregation that shared our Hall said he thought my hair looked great.

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Who Do You Think Will Be The Nominees For President In The Next US Election?

by minimus in

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i think trump will be the nominee for the republicans and the democrats... i have no clue.

i hope bernie sanders runs again and wonder if hillary would dare go for a rematch..

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I don't think Sanders can run as the Democratic Party presidential nominee. I believe the DNC adopted a new rule to prevent any more Sanders like candidates from running in that race. Sanders is not or ever will be a Democrat. He traditionally runs a Democrat for Senate, refuses to accept the nomination, and then runs as an Independent.

In reality, it doesn't matter who the DNC runs against Trump in the 2020 presidential race - Trump will get re-elected.

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