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Jehovah`s Credentials Fail or Pass

by smiddy3 in

judging by jehovah gods past dealings with the israelite / jews , i wonder why anybody can take seriously anything that he has promised for the future .. or is it what humans want to believe he has in store for them ?.

during jehovah`s dealings with the israelites they had a leprosy colony in their midst .he didn`t do anything about that .. they had wars that he instigated and supported and people died on both sides of the wars.

israelites as well as the enemy.. he accepted slavery ,did nothing about it .

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Rocketman:

You have a good point as to gods never existing as man explains them. There seems to be a point in human history where things change. There seems to be individuals who gained enlightenment (probably through drug use or dehydration/starvation techniques) and used a common system to try and explain what they learned. In turn, other men took the enlightenment and turned it into a system of rules. Compare what Jesus taught and what he did versus the religion of Christianity.

Spirituality is something you experience and not something to conform to. Religion should be used to express gratitude for life and sharing how it makes you happy with others. Unfortunately religion is used to control the behavior of others.

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A Generation Change Again???

by BereanThinker7 in

i have heard a few whispers that once again they are going to be changing the generation teaching.

does anybody have on info on this?.

i would love to be able to hit my family with a. .

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The carrot looks too juicy to care about the fact that the stick dangling it keeps changing.

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How Do You Think Election Votes Should Be Counted?

by minimus in

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friends

do you think voters should be required to prove that they are legitimate?.

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In the United States the voting system actually works quite well. If anything needs to be changed it is the campaign contribution laws. Elected officials spend way too much time raising money for re-election campaigns and no where near enough time listening to their constituents.

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Jehovah`s Credentials Fail or Pass

by smiddy3 in

judging by jehovah gods past dealings with the israelite / jews , i wonder why anybody can take seriously anything that he has promised for the future .. or is it what humans want to believe he has in store for them ?.

during jehovah`s dealings with the israelites they had a leprosy colony in their midst .he didn`t do anything about that .. they had wars that he instigated and supported and people died on both sides of the wars.

israelites as well as the enemy.. he accepted slavery ,did nothing about it .

truth_b_known

Smiddy3:

You have made a valid point. I also disagree with the whole concept of apologetics which is nothing more than mental gymnastics based on speculation and circular deduction. However, it also brings to light a common thread of reasoning seen. That common thread is the atheist view of god or gods being intergalactic butlers to the human race.

The hypothesis is that, if there is an all-powerful, conscious entity who created mankind it is this entity's moral duty to make sure man has -

Food
Water
Clothing
Housing
Unlimited medical care
Prevents all death other than death from old age (and even that should be addressed eventually)

“God is dead. God remains dead. And we have killed him. How shall we comfort ourselves, the murderers of all murderers? What was holiest and mightiest of all that the world has yet owned has bled to death under our knives: who will wipe this blood off us? What water is there for us to clean ourselves? What festivals of atonement, what sacred games shall we have to invent? Is not the greatness of this deed too great for us? Must we ourselves not become gods simply to appear worthy of it?” ― Friedrich Nietzsche

In the 1800s Nietzsche saw the rise of rationalism and naturalism. He new it would be the end of religion in the West. He predicated that the end result would be one of two pathologies - nihilism and totalitarian authoritarian utopias. In other words, rationalism has replaced the supernatural intergalactic butler with the national butler, government.

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The JW cult creates pessimistic personalities in all the PIMI congregants is my opinion

by goingthruthemotions in

i am not saying all jw congregants are pessimistic, but i would go as far to say all pimi jw congregants are pessimistic.. why do i say this, my wife is my measuring stick.

she has barely an optimistic bone in her being.

she will only focus on the bad parts of anything.

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Men will be -

Lacking affection
Disobedient to parents
Disorderly
Lovers of pleasure rather than lovers of God

When hasn't the human race been like that? The whole history of Israel in the Bible can check everyone of those boxes. Literally, from the book of Genesis on that's how people have been.

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God defeats whole armies, but couldn't defeat '' the men in Iron chariots''

by RULES & REGULATIONS in

judges 1. .

new international version.

israel fights the remaining canaanites.

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I wouldn't say the Bible is just a silly story. Whether the events took place or not does not have any bearing on the message. I would say much of the Bible is story. Some happened, but probably not as described in scripture.

In line with the OP I would have to say that if the scripture reads the iron chariots could not be defeated, then they could not be defeated. Any answer to as why would also have to come from scripture or some other writings otherwise it is just mere speculation.

Here is a better question to ask - What evidence is their that any of this actually took place? Western culture has cursed itself by trying to force history into the confines of the Bible.

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The JW cult creates pessimistic personalities in all the PIMI congregants is my opinion

by goingthruthemotions in

i am not saying all jw congregants are pessimistic, but i would go as far to say all pimi jw congregants are pessimistic.. why do i say this, my wife is my measuring stick.

she has barely an optimistic bone in her being.

she will only focus on the bad parts of anything.

truth_b_known

At the core of Watchtower teachings is that we live in a "wicked, old system of things" and true happiness can only be found in the "New World". All bad news is accepted with a smile and no verification because it furthers the belief that Armageddon is close. Beliefs look for facts that fit to mold reality around it.

I remember several years ago 2 JWs, an older couple, came to my door. They asked what I did for work. I stated I was a police officer. They replied, "Well, then you would agree that the world is becoming worse." I replied back "No. Statistically crime is going down. This are actually getting better." The couple became speechless.

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Looking Back Were There Any “Apostates” In Your Congregation?

by minimus in

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friends

i remember knowing some jws that expressed their own personal viewpoints regarding what a scripture meant that was at odds with society teachings.

in the 60 and 70’s, that was pretty much tolerated until the great purge in 1979 and 1980. as a matter of fact, it wasn’t unusual for witnesses to get together and discuss personal questions and viewpoints they might have.

it wasn’t unusual to send letters to the society asking what was considered the right or wrong view.

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Two that I know of -

There was an elder a lot looked up to. He was a great person and had a storybook family; loving wife and 2 kids. As the story goes, his wife met an apostate and woke up pretty quick. The story continues that the elder and his wife got divorced because he couldn't take her constant apostate attacks. Within a couple of months following all that he was "free to remarry" and did.

The second is not so cut and dry. My father was disfellowshipped. He had been sharing things he had learned in studying the Bible. Eventually he was called to a judicial meeting and asked if he believed he was part of the Faith & Discreet Slave. He answer in the positive (keep in mind this was about 30 years ago) as he professed to be one of the Annointed. He was never told why he was disfellowshipped, but a friend of mine was at a get together where one or more of the elders on that judicial committee was present. My friend overheard one of the elders state that they just had to disfellowship someone for apostasy. The funny thing was the congregation presiding overseer looked into it about a year later and told those elders they needed to reinstate my father.

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The Bible speaks of the "Unforgivable Sin" ? What is it ?

by smiddy3 in

do any jehovah`s witnesses or ex jehovah`s witnesses even know what that sin is ?.

why is such a statement in the bible if its not identified what that sin is ?.

were the authors of the book just playing with peoples heads ?

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BelisemDeBelimakom has gotten the closest correct answer. Jesus was performing miracles by means of the Holy Spirit. The Pharisees were going around stating Jesus' miracles were done by means of an "unclean spirit". That sin is unforgivable according to Jesus' words.

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Two Quotes Jehovah’s Witnesses in Particular Need to Consider

by PhilosophicalLogic in

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“he who knows only his own side of the case knows little of that.

his reasons may be good, and no one may have been able to refute them.

but if he is equally unable to refute the reasons on the opposite side, if he does not so much as know what they are, he has no ground for preferring either opinion... nor is it enough that he should hear the opinions of adversaries from his own teachers, presented as they state them, and accompanied by what they offer as refutations.

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Truth does not ask to be believed. Truth asks to be tested.

As previous posters have already stated so well, I am sure if you ask one of Jehovah's Witnesses "To whom should I ask my questions about Jehovah's Witnesses" they would answer "From one of Jehovah's Witnesses." To which you could in turn ask "Why then should I ask Jehovah's Witnesses questions about other religions?"

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