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  The ransom makes no sense

  by BourneIdentity in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  if mankind needed to be redeemed from sin and death, why didn't the redemption happen as soon as jesus successfully lived his entire life without sin and sacrificed his life?

  if he was successful, the price was paid and we'd all be living forever.

  it's all bullshit, or jesus fucked up and sinned, so it nullified his sacrifice.

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  This is actually an interesting topic for former Jehovah's Witnesses and from a general Christian concept. Consider that both the Hebrew and Greek words for "sin" are archery terms that generally translate into "to miss the mark" or in Hebrew "to miss the golden center of the target." Every time you see the word sin in the Bible replace it with the phrase "miss the mark."

  12 That is why, just as through one man missing the mark entered into the world and death through missing the mark and so death spread to all men because they had all missed the mark—. 13 For missing the mark was in the world before the Law, but missing the mark is not charged against anyone when there is no law.

  Quite frankly, I believe the whole story of Adam (which means "man" in Hebrew) and Eve (which means "Living") is an allegory. Side note - the word "rib" is actually a poor translation. Genesis correctly reads that God created the woman from the man's "side". Also, no pun intended.

  So, man and woman are created. Woman is tempted by a talking serpent. The fruit of the Tree of Knowledge of Good and Evil is consumed. Prior to this man and woman have no concept of good and evil. As Taoist teach, with out a counterpart one has no concept of a thing, or "if everything is beautiful, then all things are ugly." Therefore one cannot miss the mark if all you have is one thing to look at.

  Many early pieces of art depict the serpent of Genesis with a woman's head. This comes from the the Hebrew creation story of Lilith being Adam's first wife, which is whom Genesis chapter 1 refers to.
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  Apps by the Governing Body

  by stumbledbyothers in

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  2. beliefs

  may 2020 local needs.

  emphasis was on, if phone / tablet app did not come from the governing body, then stay away from it.. it was mentioned that their is a virtual cart app out there being used.

  an app not by the governing body.

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  Go buy a $1,000.00 device just to access JW.org? I am surprised the Watchtower hasn't started selling their own tablet device with their pre-loaded software.
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  How did Adam know what a sword was?

  by phoenixrising in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  so if the bible is the inspired word of god and i don't believe it is by any stretch, how did adam when he was kicked out of the garden of eden know what a spinning sword was?

  did adam invent swords?

  more bible non sense garbage.

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  truth_b_known

  JoenB75:

  I believe there was a great flood in the area of the world we now call Turkey about the time that people believe the Biblical flood took place. The name of the event eludes me at the moment, but it would seem that the flood myth's of the ancient world may have been based on this real event.
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  The ransom makes no sense

  by BourneIdentity in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  if mankind needed to be redeemed from sin and death, why didn't the redemption happen as soon as jesus successfully lived his entire life without sin and sacrificed his life?

  if he was successful, the price was paid and we'd all be living forever.

  it's all bullshit, or jesus fucked up and sinned, so it nullified his sacrifice.

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  truth_b_known

  The Apostles John and Paul were zealots. The both believed Jesus would return before either of them died. In addition, they added their own teaching because they wanted things their way.

  Then came the Roman Catholic Church which invented all sort of doctrine that Jesus never taught or is even Biblical. Heaven. Hell. Immortal souls. What books will be in the Bible. What books won't (Whatever happened to "all scripture is inspired"?)

  The fecal matter really hit the oscillating blades in 1517AD with Martin Luther telling everyone "once saved, always saved" and "just read the Bible with your own understanding and that is all you need." Now we have over 40,000 denominations of Christianity thanks to Luther.

  Jesus only taught this -

  • Love everyone as you would love yourself
  • Judge no one
  • Chose forgiveness over justice
  • Take care of widows and orphans
  • Feed the hungry
  • Heal the sick
  • Be content with the necessities of life
  • Live in the moment and don't worry about tomorrow

  As one professor wrote in his book "What Did Jesus Really Say - How Christianity Went Astray" - Read Matthew, Mark, and Luke. That is all Jesus taught.
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  This Month's Loco Needs

  by stumbledbyothers in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  our loco-needs this month was on apps, yes apps, the apps you use, that is, now catch this---"not by the governing body"!

  did wt stop saying watchtower???

  an app not by the governing body.

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  Using the phrase "Watchtower Bible and Tract Society" or just "The Society" as a source of authority on matters was prohibited nearly 30 years ago. That is why they invented the name "Christian Congregation of Jehovah's Witnesses" to replace "The Society". Using the term The Society as your authority exposed that they are just a publishing corporation; a business.
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  How did Adam know what a sword was?

  by phoenixrising in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  so if the bible is the inspired word of god and i don't believe it is by any stretch, how did adam when he was kicked out of the garden of eden know what a spinning sword was?

  did adam invent swords?

  more bible non sense garbage.

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  Sola Scriptura is a plague brought on to us by Martin Luther in 1517AD. The book of Genesis is mostly allegorical. Unless you understand Hebrew and ancient Hebrew culture, an accurate reading of Genesis is near impossible.

  7 creative days - allegorical

  Adam & Eve - allegorical (the name "Adam" in Hebrew translates into "Man". Literally "Man and Woman" and not "Adam and Eve".)

  Noah's Flood - a flood did happen, but it was local and not global
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  Why do the Elders stress the importance of meeting attendance....

  by Davros in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  why do the elders always stress to the rank and file members of the congregation how important meeting attendance is, as well as the importance of always paying attention to every word that's being presented from the slave?

  but then, during the meeting, they rarely sit and pay attention themselves to the wonderful spiritual banquet being presented?

  they always seem so busy, don't they?

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  My father, who is most definitely PIMI, and who was an elder for several decades holds this belief - weekly meeting attendance prevents a person from reasoning themselves out of the Truth.

  Yes, elders do think they are above the need to pay attention to the meeting. They are so dedicated to the organization and feel they know it all that they have no problem conducting business during the program.

  Before the end of the Book Study arrangement there was a congregation that we shared the Kingdom Hall with that was going to have one Book Study group meet at the Kingdom Hall in the afternoon. Our Presiding Overseer said he would never allow such an arrangement for our congregation. His reason was such an arrangement would allow too much free time for the publishers who attended and they would just get into trouble.
  
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  Anyone know of someone doing this or maybe you have done it

  by phoenixrising in

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  2. beliefs

  anyone ever hear of someone getting dfed in a congregation then moving cross country and joining another jw congregation and not telling them you were dfed.

  ?.

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  I remember as a kids my dad was asked to give the Sunday Public Talk at another congregation in the circuit. I recognized a brother from our congregation that had been disfellowshipped. I remember my dad telling my mom on the ride home that he let the body of elders in that congregation know that this brother was DFed in our congregation and then disappeared.
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  PIMI wife is not like normal women or mothers who have that natural affect.

  by goingthruthemotions in

  1. jw
  2. experiences

  is it me who thinks this.......jw pimi or pomi women lack natural affection toward there children, family and human's.. it must be the indoctrination that strips these emotions.

  i see it in my wife all the time, when she talks with non jw people she is like "meh" i got to talk with you.. when she talks with jw people, she has a cult emotion like "yes my people" .

  she is screwed in the head, the more that time goes by i want to leave her and get a divorce!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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  Let you wife read this:

  25 Now look! a woman that is one of Jehovah’s Witnesses stood up to test him and said: “Teacher, what do I need to do to inherit everlasting life?”+ 26 He said to her: “What is written in the Law? How do you read?” 27 In answer she said: “‘You must love Jehovah* your God with your whole heart and with your whole soul* and with your whole strength and with your whole mind’+ and ‘your neighbor as yourself.’”+ 28 He said to her: “You answered correctly; keep doing this and you will get life.”+

  29 But wanting to prove himself righteous,+ the woman said to Jesus: “Who really is my neighbor?” 30 In reply Jesus said: “A man was going down from your town to the city and fell victim to robbers, who stripped him, beat him, and went off, leaving him half-dead. 31 Now by coincidence a Circuit Overseer’s wife was going down on that road, but when he saw him, she passed by on the opposite side. 32 Likewise, a Regular Pioneer, when she came to the place and saw him, passed by on the opposite side. 33 But a certain worldly person+ traveling the road came upon him, and at seeing him, he was moved with pity. 34 So he approached him and bandaged his wounds, pouring oil and wine on them. Then he placed him on his own car and brought him to an inn and took care of him. 35 The next day he took out two thousand dollars,* gave it to the innkeeper, and said: ‘Take care of him, and whatever you spend besides this, I will repay you when I return.’ 36 Who of these three seems to you to have made himself neighbor+ to the man who fell victim to the robbers?” 37 She said: “I'll have to research that on JW.org.”+ Jesus then said to her: “I never knew you. Get away from me you worker of lawlessness.”+
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  Best way to preach to a JW

  by Youngaposthate in

  1. social
  2. humour

  when they come to your door knocking... the best way to preach back is.... handing them a comic book when they hand you a watchtower magazine..

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  truth_b_known

  The OP has a good point for the following line of reason -

  Yes! I would love to accept your magazine and, in exchange, I would like to give you this...

  (Hand the JW a copy of a Spider-Man comic book)

  Spider-Man is real! The proof of Spider-Man's existence is in the comic book. See here on page 12 - That's Spider-Man swinging from the rooftops of downtown New York.

  What do you mean Spider-Man isn't real? You say the Bible is true based on the what is inside the Bible. Based on your line of reasoning Spider-Man must also be real.