so if the bible is the inspired word of god and i don't believe it is by any stretch, how did adam when he was kicked out of the garden of eden know what a spinning sword was?
did adam invent swords?
more bible non sense garbage.
JoenB75:
I believe there was a great flood in the area of the world we now call Turkey about the time that people believe the Biblical flood took place. The name of the event eludes me at the moment, but it would seem that the flood myth's of the ancient world may have been based on this real event.
if mankind needed to be redeemed from sin and death, why didn't the redemption happen as soon as jesus successfully lived his entire life without sin and sacrificed his life?
if he was successful, the price was paid and we'd all be living forever.
it's all bullshit, or jesus fucked up and sinned, so it nullified his sacrifice.
The Apostles John and Paul were zealots. The both believed Jesus would return before either of them died. In addition, they added their own teaching because they wanted things their way.
Then came the Roman Catholic Church which invented all sort of doctrine that Jesus never taught or is even Biblical. Heaven. Hell. Immortal souls. What books will be in the Bible. What books won't (Whatever happened to "all scripture is inspired"?)
The fecal matter really hit the oscillating blades in 1517AD with Martin Luther telling everyone "once saved, always saved" and "just read the Bible with your own understanding and that is all you need." Now we have over 40,000 denominations of Christianity thanks to Luther.
Jesus only taught this -
As one professor wrote in his book "What Did Jesus Really Say - How Christianity Went Astray" - Read Matthew, Mark, and Luke. That is all Jesus taught.
our loco-needs this month was on apps, yes apps, the apps you use, that is, now catch this---"not by the governing body"!
did wt stop saying watchtower???
an app not by the governing body.
Using the phrase "Watchtower Bible and Tract Society" or just "The Society" as a source of authority on matters was prohibited nearly 30 years ago. That is why they invented the name "Christian Congregation of Jehovah's Witnesses" to replace "The Society". Using the term The Society as your authority exposed that they are just a publishing corporation; a business.
so if the bible is the inspired word of god and i don't believe it is by any stretch, how did adam when he was kicked out of the garden of eden know what a spinning sword was?
did adam invent swords?
more bible non sense garbage.
Sola Scriptura is a plague brought on to us by Martin Luther in 1517AD. The book of Genesis is mostly allegorical. Unless you understand Hebrew and ancient Hebrew culture, an accurate reading of Genesis is near impossible.
7 creative days - allegorical
Adam & Eve - allegorical (the name "Adam" in Hebrew translates into "Man". Literally "Man and Woman" and not "Adam and Eve".)
Noah's Flood - a flood did happen, but it was local and not global
why do the elders always stress to the rank and file members of the congregation how important meeting attendance is, as well as the importance of always paying attention to every word that's being presented from the slave?
but then, during the meeting, they rarely sit and pay attention themselves to the wonderful spiritual banquet being presented?
they always seem so busy, don't they?
My father, who is most definitely PIMI, and who was an elder for several decades holds this belief - weekly meeting attendance prevents a person from reasoning themselves out of the Truth.
Yes, elders do think they are above the need to pay attention to the meeting. They are so dedicated to the organization and feel they know it all that they have no problem conducting business during the program.
Before the end of the Book Study arrangement there was a congregation that we shared the Kingdom Hall with that was going to have one Book Study group meet at the Kingdom Hall in the afternoon. Our Presiding Overseer said he would never allow such an arrangement for our congregation. His reason was such an arrangement would allow too much free time for the publishers who attended and they would just get into trouble.
anyone ever hear of someone getting dfed in a congregation then moving cross country and joining another jw congregation and not telling them you were dfed.
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I remember as a kids my dad was asked to give the Sunday Public Talk at another congregation in the circuit. I recognized a brother from our congregation that had been disfellowshipped. I remember my dad telling my mom on the ride home that he let the body of elders in that congregation know that this brother was DFed in our congregation and then disappeared.
is it me who thinks this.......jw pimi or pomi women lack natural affection toward there children, family and human's.. it must be the indoctrination that strips these emotions.
i see it in my wife all the time, when she talks with non jw people she is like "meh" i got to talk with you.. when she talks with jw people, she has a cult emotion like "yes my people" .
she is screwed in the head, the more that time goes by i want to leave her and get a divorce!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Let you wife read this:
25 Now look! a woman that is one of Jehovah’s Witnesses stood up to test him and said: “Teacher, what do I need to do to inherit everlasting life?”+ 26 He said to her: “What is written in the Law? How do you read?” 27 In answer she said: “‘You must love Jehovah* your God with your whole heart and with your whole soul* and with your whole strength and with your whole mind’+ and ‘your neighbor as yourself.’”+ 28 He said to her: “You answered correctly; keep doing this and you will get life.”+
29 But wanting to prove himself righteous,+ the woman said to Jesus: “Who really is my neighbor?” 30 In reply Jesus said: “A man was going down from your town to the city and fell victim to robbers, who stripped him, beat him, and went off, leaving him half-dead. 31 Now by coincidence a Circuit Overseer’s wife was going down on that road, but when he saw him, she passed by on the opposite side. 32 Likewise, a Regular Pioneer, when she came to the place and saw him, passed by on the opposite side. 33 But a certain worldly person+ traveling the road came upon him, and at seeing him, he was moved with pity. 34 So he approached him and bandaged his wounds, pouring oil and wine on them. Then he placed him on his own car and brought him to an inn and took care of him. 35 The next day he took out two thousand dollars,* gave it to the innkeeper, and said: ‘Take care of him, and whatever you spend besides this, I will repay you when I return.’ 36 Who of these three seems to you to have made himself neighbor+ to the man who fell victim to the robbers?” 37 She said: “I'll have to research that on JW.org.”+ Jesus then said to her: “I never knew you. Get away from me you worker of lawlessness.”+
when they come to your door knocking... the best way to preach back is.... handing them a comic book when they hand you a watchtower magazine..
The OP has a good point for the following line of reason -
Yes! I would love to accept your magazine and, in exchange, I would like to give you this...
(Hand the JW a copy of a Spider-Man comic book)
Spider-Man is real! The proof of Spider-Man's existence is in the comic book. See here on page 12 - That's Spider-Man swinging from the rooftops of downtown New York.
What do you mean Spider-Man isn't real? You say the Bible is true based on the what is inside the Bible. Based on your line of reasoning Spider-Man must also be real.
i have been thinking and was eventually wondering about the following:.
did the flood and all wars in the scriptures eventually bear the fruits that god hoped for?
is evil gone among humans?
The reality is, most of these events never took place, and those that did were not as a result of a god. Most of the Old Testament was created as a fictitious backstory to a nation that was created in captivity of the Persians.
A Canaanite tribe did not want to lose it's cultural identity while in captivity of a foreign power. They made up this story that they were a special people belonging to what they dubbed as the only true god. Thus the gods of their forefathers were turned into the YHWY of the Bible.
Is this evidence that no divine being exists. No. It just means that the Bible is a man made book. It contains persons and events that never happened. Thanks to Martin Luther and the Protestant Reformation we have literally thousands of "Christian" denominations that all believe every word of the Bible is true. The Catholic Church does not teach this. The Catholic Church even openly accepts evolution and abiogenesis as the origin of man.
The reality is, every "church" that is not part of the Catholic Church is a form of idolatry.
so we binge-watched the waco mini-series on netflix.. wow, what a powerful and enlightening programme!
even if you think you know what happened, it gives you extra context to it all.
it's very well done even if you just want a great drama series, but it's way more than that.. there are of course some dramatization and slight historical inaccuracies for the purpose of story-telling but it was very informative.
I watched the Waco miniseries myself. I know it sparked quite the conversation within my household. Here was my $0.02.
It's a "docu-drama". A Hollywood story that uses film as a medium to bring a script to life by actors. The script used information from two biographies - one written by the FBI negotiator and the other by one of the Branch Davidian members.
I don't want to spoil this series (it really is worth the watch). Here is the balance I brought to the table in my household discussion -
If everything in the film were true, this whole thing was done on the pretext of a PR piece and not enforcing the law, but there was probable cause to believe a Federal criminal law had been violated. So much so that a Federal District Judge signed a Search Warrant. The shit-show that follows happens because tactics were thrown out the window in exchange for a possible PR perp-walk.
Ruby Ridge happened in 1992 and Waco happened in 1993. I began my law enforcement career in 1999. I am SWAT certified and have been serving high risk warrants since 2013. The tactics we use now are preventing such incidents from happening. When we such related incidents happening in recent history (such as what just took place in Kentucky) it is clearly because untrained cowboy cops are putting themselves in situations they have no business handling.
The whole time I watch this docu-drama I cringed and shook my head in disbelief. In the circles I work in we have a saying - "There's a certain Federal, alphabet soup agency, we fondly refer to as 'Famous, But Incompetent.'" I have no doubt that Waco ended with the needless loss of both the lives of private citizens and law enforcement officers.
I also have the personal experience to know that training and tactics have progressed light years ahead of those events that happened 27 years ago. I also truly believe the government agents involved should have been fired and at a minimum been held civilly liable for their actions. The precedent has been recently set in Texas that they may even be criminally liable for their actions.
