Posts by WireRider

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Executed Jehovah's Witness under Hitler were more Christian than Jdubs

by suavojr in

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friends

has anyone noticed how the phraseology of this letter is so far away from todays jw theology and idioms used?

do you notice what word is missing?

how would any of us be viewed in the congregations if we were to speak or write this way?

WireRider

My JW girlfriend pointed to this issue. She said see the Holocaust Museum. JW's were persecuted by the Nazi. Yes, many people of ALL faith's were arrested for one thing or another.

The JW were arrested for being subversive to the Nazi plans. They were conscientious objectors and refused to support the Nazi. Unfortunately about 1,500 died under poor detention conditions. Only 250 JW were actually executed. Arrested JW prisoners were offered a half page letter to sign promising their support of the Nazi - and they could leave. Go home. Flee the country what ever. (The argument being just sign their letter and leave. God would know what is really in your heart. Just sign it and leave - live.)

I really pales in comparison to 6,000,000+ Jews who never had a chance and were executed just because they were Jews. There would have been many many more if we didn't intervene.

A plaque is nice. How about 6,000,000 more for those that never had a chance.

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Did Jesus really die on a cross?

by macys in

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friends

being raised a catholic we had lots of crosses around the house.

when my family converted to this cult they were all removed and destroyed in case they had demons in them lol but at this juncture in my life i do not even know if jesus as the way he is portrayed in the bible was real.

yes a man named jesus did live and die 2000 years ago and probably on a cross but he was definitely not the son of god.

WireRider

Silly debate. It doesn't really matter. It misses the point. Jesus was put to death at a pivotal point. Does it really matter at all what shape the wood thing was?

There is no proof either way. Hand-me-down stories for 300 yrs and all the translations do not matter.

I hear a lot about what was historically typical of the times. Yes, but that refers to common thieves and criminals and every day executions. They made an extra effort to make a point of displaying Jesus sentence of death. I would think they would have gone all out for the extra cross. Of course there where eye witnesses that passed down for 2000 years of the cross. Not some knuckle head from from 100 yrs ago who claim 2000 years where wrong based on a bad translation. Russell did not even know Hebrew, Latin, or Greek.

My biggest religious conundrum .... was it boxers or briefs. Does it matter?

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I'm Catholic and madly in love with a Jehovah Witness...

by Luge62 in

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friends

we are madly in love with each other and she is in the process of being divorced.

let me make one thing clear i'm not the reason for the divorce.

she attempted to reconcile with him but to no avail.

WireRider

I am still trying to get over the exact same issue. It did not end well.

We were together for two years, and engaged for 24hrs. Her family found out and she was emotionally tackled by her whole family and all JW. I could tell from remaining phone calls that she had been relentlessly lectured. I called one day, and completely out of the blue, said you're only calling because you must be horny. I was floored. It was completely not her. I was able to talk her in off the ledge and the 2hr call ended well. But that was the beginning of the end.

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Did Jesus really die on a cross?

by macys in

jw
friends

being raised a catholic we had lots of crosses around the house.

when my family converted to this cult they were all removed and destroyed in case they had demons in them lol but at this juncture in my life i do not even know if jesus as the way he is portrayed in the bible was real.

yes a man named jesus did live and die 2000 years ago and probably on a cross but he was definitely not the son of god.

WireRider

Everyone needs to remember that the JW/WT high jacked the Catholic Bible only about 150 years ago and have been trying to change it ever since. The NWT is not the Bible. Teaching hate against Catholics, but use their Bible. Forbid members from ever witnessing their services or hearing truth. Russell/JW/WT are followers of Arius. He was kicked out of the "Bible committee" of Catholic Bishops (Council of Nicaea) that assembled the New Testament as we know it. - Arius ideas and works were ordered to be completely burned and he was exiled. NONE of his teaching were allowed into the Bible. The JW/WT teaches from the Catholic Bible ... they hate.

Cross/pole doesn't really matter. Event did. What I always remember was that Jesus was said to have been ordered to carry his own cross to the hill - marched through town. Fact is that it would have been impossible, in his condition, to carry a full cross. What he was carrying, marched through town, was the cross-beam to form the cross. The humiliation was to carry his own cross beam to be hung on.

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Do JWs still believe the WT version of the 144000?

by nicolaou in

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friends

the society have taught for many years that only 144,000 individuals will have embraced true worship from the time when jesus (and presumably john the baptist six months before him) began his ministry in about 30 c.e.

when the great crowd began to be drawn in.. however, even a casual reading of the book of acts shows the phenomenal growth of christianity during the time of the apostles.

in colossians ch1 paul even makes the comment that the good news had at that point been preached to all creation that was under heaven.. in 64 c.e, there were so many christians in rome already that nero felt he could easily blame them for the destructive fire which had swept through the city.

WireRider

Revelation:

Of the sons of Israel:

Twelve thousand out of the tribe of Judah.

Twelve thousand out of the tribe of Reuben

Twelve thousand out of the tribe of Gad

Twelve thousand out of the tribe of Asher

Twelve thousand out of the tribe of Naph'tali

Twelve thousand out of the tribe of Manas'seh

Twelve thousand out of the tribe of Simeon

Twelve thousand out of the tribe of Levi

Twelve thousand out of the tribe of Is'sachatt

Twelve thousand out of the tribe of Zeb'ulun

Twelve thousand out of the tribe of Joseph

Twelve thousand out of the tribe of Benjamin

SOMEONE please tell me why that is not specific. EHHH, it's symbolic. NO. It is very specific. NO JW/WT.

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Do JWs still believe the WT version of the 144000?

by nicolaou in

jw
friends

the society have taught for many years that only 144,000 individuals will have embraced true worship from the time when jesus (and presumably john the baptist six months before him) began his ministry in about 30 c.e.

when the great crowd began to be drawn in.. however, even a casual reading of the book of acts shows the phenomenal growth of christianity during the time of the apostles.

in colossians ch1 paul even makes the comment that the good news had at that point been preached to all creation that was under heaven.. in 64 c.e, there were so many christians in rome already that nero felt he could easily blame them for the destructive fire which had swept through the city.

WireRider

I am truly shocked at the ignorance and lies. NO JW or WT will ever be part of the 144,000, Ever.

It has nothing to do with 1935, or any such "queue" to be filled.

It has NEVER been "symbolic" in any form or nature AT ALL. It is spelled out. NO JW - NO WT.

Few thing's are ever spelled out so specifically in the Bible as the 144. It very specifically says 12,000 from each of the 12 tribes of ISRAEL. Period. Period.

Show of hands - how many JW/WT are Jewish, decendants of the 12 tribes of Israel, or follow the faith of Israel?

How can someone follow the worlds of the Bible to such extremes, and oddly force people into vague interpretations, flat out refuse very specifically spelled out "12,000 from each of the tribes of Israel?"

In the book of Revelations, and in many places, has VERY specific orders for the JW/WT. The false prophets shall be cast into the lake of fire. The false prophets must die. A false prophet is biblically describe as those that claim to speak for God, or in the name of God, and those things do not come to pass - those false prophets must die.

The JW/WT is the false prophet of Revelations and has lied lied lied about the end of the world so many fake times. Every one was a money making fundraising drive. Rutherford needed a new mansion in CA. They still do it. I think we can agree how Jesus felt about money changes earning profits in "my house" in Jerusalem. The WT is nothing more than the money changers - the ambulance chasers - following and exploiting religion for profit.

There will NEVER be a JW/WT in the 144 unless they are Jewish or descendants of Israel.

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What's with all the pyramids??

by Crazyguy in

the number of pyramids in the world just keep going up and up.

an egyptoligist thinks using satellite scanning technology he has found the remnants of another 17 pyramids in the egypt.

in central and south american they keep finding more pyramids and in java a couple of years ago they surmised that the riuns their was actually a step pyramid possible the oldest in the world.

WireRider

Truthseeker: I'm not sure I follow.

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What's with all the pyramids??

by Crazyguy in

the number of pyramids in the world just keep going up and up.

an egyptoligist thinks using satellite scanning technology he has found the remnants of another 17 pyramids in the egypt.

in central and south american they keep finding more pyramids and in java a couple of years ago they surmised that the riuns their was actually a step pyramid possible the oldest in the world.

WireRider

A lot of factors there.

1) Why were they built? They aren't a house or office building. They are very large for what and for who?

2) The precision of the stone blocks is unfathomable at that age of our understanding of human development. World class construction companies have said they would not even attempt to create such a building today. Some sites with 1000 ton blocks. And for what/who? How did they achieve such precision with out our modern day machines???

3) Why did cultures all over the world independently develop such similarities with now way to communication with each other at all? No, it was not a planet wide pyramid competitions - you'd think so, but no.

It really goes beyond they all did that own their own. There is a true black-out period around 0 BC/AD or BCE/CE where science and technology had a complete reset and started from scratch. Today no one can prove what the great pyramid is or how it was built. Sumerians documented Pluto 10,000 years ago - we just found it about 1930ish. How is it explained?

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"The likelihood of Hitler being able to accomplish his goals would have been greatly diminished if the people had been armed"

by nicolaou in

presidential hopeful ben carson of course.

this isn't another gun control debate, i just thought it might be fun to have a topic where we can dump all the hysterical quotes from the candidates.. it's a deep and plentiful mine folks!

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WireRider

If every witness in Germany had voted against the Nazi party, it's very unlikely Hitler would have ever been able to accomplish what he did.

How many witnesses were in Nazi Germany? Rutherford was sending Hitler fan mail.

In an attempt to appease Hitler, Rutherford instigated a Declaration of Facts and sent a Letter to Hitler discussing the Watchtower's support of the Nazi regime.

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What's with all the pyramids??

by Crazyguy in

the number of pyramids in the world just keep going up and up.

an egyptoligist thinks using satellite scanning technology he has found the remnants of another 17 pyramids in the egypt.

in central and south american they keep finding more pyramids and in java a couple of years ago they surmised that the riuns their was actually a step pyramid possible the oldest in the world.

WireRider

That's the $10,000 question.

Plus a buried pyramid in Scotland. There are hills in China that when seen from the air are square as if they hid them under dirt - but people, especially foreigners, are forbidden to go there. Try Angkor Wat in Cambodia. Egypt. Mexico. South America. Pumapunku in Bolivia. All cultures that would have no way to communicate, or travel, with each other have distinct similarities. Some uncovered ruins in Sumeria about 10,000 years old that have tablets of our solar system, including all proportionately sized planets in correct orbits. Even Pluto - that we didn't discover until about 1930.

Look at the Giza Plateau, the pyramids are not quite in a straight line - a little bent, when the building and orientations are so exacting. It matches the same exactly with the layout of Teotihuacan in Mexico - a little bent, exactly the same way.

Try watching "Ancient Aliens". I think you can google it for reruns. Really fascinating stuff. Good scenery. But I would not put too much stock in their conclusions - they have been debunked a lot for over reaching, and some lies. Still interesting to see - draw your own conclusions.