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  Proof - of what?

  by Doltologist in

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  2. bible

  a few weeks ago, these two jovies turned up on my doorstep.

  being in a good mood that particular day, i told them that if they could prove that god existed, i'd become a jovie - and i meant every word.. they gave me two documents which they asked me read and told me that they'd be back in a week.

  the first was called "was life created?

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  The 'astronomically low' chances of chemicals lining up in just the right way never convinced me. I always reasoned that it only would have to happen once, and since life is here, it could have happened. For instance, I can shuffle a deck of cards, and the probability of them being in a particular order is 52!, astronomically high. But it just happened, once. The WT argument never made sense.
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  California Supreme Court Case - S226656

  by Gayle in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  http://appellatecases.courtinfo.ca.gov/search/case/maincasescreen.cfm?dist=0&doc_id=2109889&doc_no=s226656&search=party&start=1&query_partylastnameororg=watchtower bible and tract.

  started 5/27/2015.

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  It's shameful. At least back in the 30's and 40's they had a 'righteous' stand for appealing until they got to the highest court, but this time they are appealing the right to protect pedofiles. It's awful.
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  Did judge Rutherford piss off Hitler

  by greenhornet in

  1. watchtower
  2. scandals

  the jws at the time in germany where considered part of the aryan race, (since they were not jews).

  then things changed for the jws after rutherford mailed a letter to hitler bragging about jehovahs kingdom on earth.. so can we add this to the bloodshed that that the watchtower corp is responsible for?.

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  Another angle I haven't seen mentioned yet is Rutherford's hatred of and rivalry with Father Coughlin, who was affiliated with the Nazi party. In the U.S. Which had a candidate in the '36 elections. I wonder if Rutherford wrote that letter to Hitler in '34 to distance himself from Coughlin. Rutherford probably wasn't fully aware that he was throwing the German JWS under the bus with his inflammatory statements, as the horrors of the Holocaust were not fully understood yet in '34
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  new update on Conti case

  by violias in

  1. watchtower
  2. child-abuse

  got an update email about the conti case.

  maybe someone can tell us what it means.. http://appellatecases.courtinfo.ca.gov/search/case/disposition.cfm?dist=1&doc_id=2025979&doc_no=a136641 .

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  I read it to mean that the judgment that the WT was negligent was upheld, but the punitive part of the judgment was not upheld. So a portion of the payment they will have to pay (the part attributed to negligence), but a portion of the payment they will not have to pay (the punitive part).

  not an attorney, that's just what I read from it.
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  Book Burning and other burning of materials done by JW. Any experiences Please post

  by adjusted knowledge in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  as a very young child i have memories of several book burnings done by jw families.

  it wasn't something arranged by the congregation, but elders did participate in it.

  it was actually scary for me as a child of only about 8 years old.

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  I burned all my bound volumes and 70's era books, does that count? It was a pretty sight. I don't miss them.
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  Pew Research Charts and Tables just for JWs

  by dropoffyourkeylee in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  http://www.pewforum.org/religious-landscape-study/religious-tradition/jehovahs-witness/.

  ok this is worth its own thread.

  the pew research folks have made available charts just for us.

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  http://www.pewforum.org/religious-landscape-study/religious-tradition/jehovahs-witness/

  OK this is worth its own thread. The Pew Research folks have made available charts just for us. All About JW's :

  Like this:

  
  
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  2014 Pew Research on US Religion

  by adjusted knowledge in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  the pew survey i've been reading is quite lengthy, but filled with interesting information.

  it really explains a lot of the social issues.

  impact of little education, donation issues, the issues of women finding marriage partners.

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  Wing's statement

  Well said! And what I am embarrassed to think back upon, is how I was raised and brought up to believe that this religion was so important,

  Got that right!

  Also, Was there anything in the Pew report this time about retention?
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  The Divine Name in the NT: Some Reflections

  by Let go of fear in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  i've been fascinated with this topic for some time now, almost to the point of obsession.

  after researching the issue for several years, i have come to a conclusion/theory that i would love to receive some feedback on.

  this theory of mine is one that will be somewhat unsettling to both those who believe the divine name was used in the original nt scripts as well as those who believe it wasn't.

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  I haven't been able to get through all the previous posts, and I am not an expert, but everyone is entitled to an opinion, and here is mine.

  The WT maintains that the divine name was pronounced in the first century and was pronounced by Jesus and apostles. They maintain that the practice of pronouncing 'kyrios' or a substitute word came in after the first century. To support this they point to existing early copies of the LXX which contain the tetragrammaton in Hebrew characters, embedded within the Greek text. To me this is actually evidence against their position, and indicates that the copyist thought the tetragrammaton so sacred that he had to reproduce it unchanged and untranslated. One of the early church authors, I forget which one, even commented on how some people reading the LXX would pronounce the word 'pipi' because the Hebrew tetragrammaton letters resemble the greek letters pi,iota, pi, iota. So I think the evidence does not support the WT view, but rather supports the prevailing belief that pronunciation of the divine name ceased much earlier, in the couple of centuries B.C.

  So it follows that inserting the Name in the NT is presumptuous and simply wrong. It would be different if there were even one NT copy that had the Name, but there isn't (so far).
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  Question: Are single sisters allowed to be missionaries in other countries?

  by Wild_Thing in

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  2. friends

  as far as i remember, only married couples were allowed to be missionaries.

  my jw sister recently told me that single sisters can be missionaries, too.

  this sounds too progressive for jws, so i just want to verify it.

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  dropoffyourkeylee

  One of our friends went thru Gilead as a single sister in the '70's. Went to S America.
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  CAH closing down in upstate NY

  by oppostate in

  1. watchtower
  2. scandals

  yet another circuit assembly hall is going to be sold off!.

  they've been reducing the amount of congregations assigned to meet there and using the times when it isn't in use to make repairs.

  elders have now been informed that they are selling off the property and buildings and that circuits would be assigned to attend other sites, twice as far, three or four hours away, like montreal.

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  dropoffyourkeylee

  West Henrietta is near Rochester NY. A surprisingly lot of Witnesses there. Lots of snow too.