.
i was reading the list of things witnesses can't do, on another thread, and i noticed that it was written that jw's don't have jesus as savior.. as a witness, i always said that jesus was my savior, thanks to jehovah.. maybe it's been too long ago and i forgot, but who is the savior for jehovah witnesses?
jesus or jehovah or both?
Elsewhere that was hysterical, I like your sense of humor.
- - - to answer the question:
I thought JW's realized who the Biblical Savior was?-Michael
Dan 12:1-4 in conjunction with Jeremiah 23:5-6 but also with Jeremiah 33:15-16.
Ezekiel's Shiloh who overturns the wicked one...etc
luke is unique of the four gospels in depicting a trial scene between jesus and king herod.
the same account is also missing in the acts of pilate and other apocryphal gospels and is thus probably a lukan composition.
as crossan, koester, helms, and others have shown, the passion narratives are almost entirely constructed of material stitched together through ot exegesis.
True it's recorded that he would have been closer to fifty but it still does not solve the Jannaeus era christ figure being Yeshu son of Mary as one of the many figures used for the icon Jesus. There is still no historical account of such a fantasy christ by any of the historians not even Josephus who's found to be forged into later additions. The characters making up his image however are recorded, leading us to believe he is but an image of a man as per John Of Patmos REV 13 warnings. Even the character Paul seems to be converged of a few figures with similar accounts and influences, perhaps because shared names in an age of poor communications can easilly get confused for each other just as it does in our age of great communication. Just look and read Acts 13:6- on up Saul meets a man called Sergius Paulus also called Paul.With Paulus is his sorcerer friend named Bar(son)Jesus. Saul calls this 'Magician' (which is what 'Elymas' means)-'the son of the devil'. He's not talking about another person named Elymas he's still talking about his sorcer friend Bar Jesus who is an Elymas (magician).
Is Saul the Paul Rome promotes or is it Paulus named Paul who's sorcerer the son Jesus Rome promotes?
Makes thing pretty interesting when you ponder that question especially when Corinthians claims the apostles are teaching another Christ then he.
Another character used for the image of Paul could be taken from another man from Tarsus with similar stories used to make the character Paul, his name Apollonius of Tyana who's nickname was POL. Pol loved a mix of many cultures and is said to have brought back the myth of Krishna (Christos) to the region and had an extensive Library of mixed cultures and beliefs. This would fulfill the OT whereby the destroyer is called Abbadon or Apollyon (in greek).
luke is unique of the four gospels in depicting a trial scene between jesus and king herod.
the same account is also missing in the acts of pilate and other apocryphal gospels and is thus probably a lukan composition.
as crossan, koester, helms, and others have shown, the passion narratives are almost entirely constructed of material stitched together through ot exegesis.
One major problem is that King Herod died in 4 BC which is why they drove back the characters birthdate to 6 Bc to try and fit him in the story yet still failed to since the census is in 7 BC and your accounting an older Jesus in the time of a dead man.
Perhaps this proves my theory that the character is converging many figures into one Image. The one during Herods time period with accounts of Lysanius during his era dying in thirty something Bc would have been the figure Yehuda of Galilee who died in 6 BC for his tax revolt by Rome on a cross. Yehuda fits the stories of King Herod and Lysanius and the comments about Roman taxes.
The other figure the sorcerer who fled towards Egypt was Yeshu son of Mary lived in 100 BC was stoned then hanged around Passover as per the NT accounts a slew and hanging on a tree during around Passover. Also fits the Widows mite story whereby the coin is a Jannaeus Alexander coin of 100 Bc, his wife being Salome friend and follower of Jesus in both historical accounts of the 100 BC era and NT accounts of Salome friend and follower of Jesus.
It seems pretty obvious when they create a new name and new birthdate it's because when a character is formed from many historical figures the mythical icon then needs a new name and dating since it doesn't relate back to any singular individual and also can't because if you figure out the true story and nature of the character then the whitewashed image is not impressive enough to be used as an Icon or idol figure for the authroity to mask their power and control behind.
In other words, Rome created an IMAGE OF A MAN for people to bow to (masking their authority) or be slain.
They seemed to use many Christ figures, Biblical characters and Mythical deities to form his image that deceived the world.
If people disagree with this comment of mine then they disagree with Paul and his 1/2-3/4 his Books must be tossed out of your Bibles because he said In Corinthians that the apostles were teaching another Christ then he was, then came Constantine inventing the image to compile even more figures from many cultures.
was written next and makes a brief mention of the resurrection and ascension; which includes a conspiracy theory about the body being stolen (matt.
where did jesus first appear?
where else did jesus appear?
The Irony is that today they teach that the RCC will converge all the cults into worship of one image. That's exactly what already happened and everyone was deceived by this image because they have no common sense to notice what they did. Common sense if they have a problem with the way the RCC created Mary in an image in making Mary divine and perfect then they must conclude this is exactly how they converged myth and fantasy to make Jesus divine and perfect a mere image of a man converged of many mythologies martyrs and Biblical characters to subbvert man with that image. So it said many would be slain to worship that image and so it was with the Crusades, Inquisition, Holocaust, Poland Massacre etc. Over thousands of wars and 50 Million murders slain to worship the image Rome created.
hey do you guys really believe that we are going to live on a paradise earth forever and ever?
if so, count me out.
there is no way i want to spend the rest of eternity confined in physical body on this planet!
The Problem is that you can not imagine the Olam Habah (world to come) through what could be of this earth when nature changes.
Your senses only imagine what you deem the reality in what you find tangible in this imperfect life and thus can't ever imagine what it would be like perfected and changed.
well it's ash wed people, has anyone today received "the mark of the beast"?.
it's time to get the mark of the beast, on your forehead and on your.
hand.
Well it's ash wed people, has anyone today received "The Mark of the Beast"?
It's time to get the mark of the beast, on your forehead and on your
hand. Yes Ash Wed symbolizes the "Mark of the Beast". Why? Because the cross
is a symbol of "death" predating Christianity and Constantine was told to
put that MARK on his shields and go forth and conquer all. The Beast=death,
thus the mark of the Beast is the Cross. Ash being charred remains after
"Fire BURNING". They cause people to receive this mark on their
fingers(hand) and on their forehead. Still doubt what I'm saying then look
at this terminology I came across in a Clergy/Leaders' Mail-list No. 572 The
series was on The Marks of a Healthy Church. >"Then we will study one
church - Antioch - and discover >34 Marks of a church that is alive."
What are they referring to as marks? The mark upon the hand speaks of their
control over our works of our hands,while the mark upon the forehead speaks
of control of what we think we know, in other words, controlling our
perceptions of what is truth and what is factual.
The beast (hierarchy) thus uses this mark on its subjects to label their own
little pawns while manipulating them like puppets.
The beast is in all ranks of their order, which they are enslaved through
the system that was engraved (marked) in them.
Nothing reveals this mark better then initiation into Roman Catholicism and
Ash Wednesday, where they dip the extremity of their right hand in the
chrism or ash (warned in Isaiah 44:20) proclaiming: 'I sign thee with the
sign of the cross' (mark of death) then draw the sign of the cross on the
forehead with the thumb. They proclaim this mark of the cross to be received
in their heart, meaning they are branding or marking them in spirit.
The Mark of the Beast can then be seen in this deeper aspect, as the path
you set for yourself - as in setting a mark out for yourself to get where
you're going.
The mark set by G0D is the straightest most successful path to where we
could and ought to be, but the Mark of the Beast is the path that leads us
astray, downhill and to destruction.
Once you see you are off-mark going in the wrong direction in society today,
then you must rethink your mark and consider where that mark is coming from
and where it's leading you. You'll then notice you've all been deceived and
following the mark of the beast not the mark (direction) of G0D.
Marking out where your path is set:
The mark of where you're going and where you want to be. The mark
Christianity takes and tries to project is in DEATH.
For they see death as their salvation and their achievements are in death
and reaching their kingdom is in, by, and through the portals of death. So
their worship is of death.
The mark Jews, Jehovah's Witnesses and many other cultures and faiths strive
for, is a perfection of this life we were graciously given.
So that we can live in peace, fulfilling all we could be and fulfilling all
our dreams for the enjoyment, happiness, love, and justice in life. In that
we can pass this blessing onto our offspring as well- out of love and
bestowal.
http://www.vidavision.com/faith/hashev/freebook.html
this was such an x-file-type movie!
they should have had david duchovny as the star, but richard gere did just fine.. it was an entertaining thriller and i enjoyed it.
pat
Yeah someone is saying there is a similar celtic legend and then there are similar urban legends except with a slightly different described creature.
In the case of New Jersey it's the NJ Devil, in the case of another place it's a ghost of a black dog.
Of course all these sightings always happen in areas of high alchohol consumption or near toxic waste *L*.
But something all these places have in common, whatever it is seems to steal these people's teeth. They all seem to be having some serious missing teeth problems in these areas. *grin*
this was such an x-file-type movie!
they should have had david duchovny as the star, but richard gere did just fine.. it was an entertaining thriller and i enjoyed it.
pat
I just came into this section to ask if anyone wanted to discuss the
Mothman incidences and noticed you already started a thread.
I lived in WV for about half a year and never heard of such a story. I've seen a big black cat (panther or cougar?) and some other large animals that could explain gutted animals but they claim those don't exist in that region even with a few reports of sightings of Panthers which have never been substantiated.
We know many animals have that red eye affect when light hits it at night so the Red eye description is not so spooky or unusual.
But WV is a strange place as far as receiving meditated visions.
I had some prophetic incidences prior to going there regarding the place I purchased that were beyond coincidence as foresite to my being in that place for a reason.
When in WV that's when I was first exposed and lead to know the Mystery of the church and it's created image and what people were really worshiping. Also it's where I received a trivial prophecy which came true later that year, as if to reasure my prophetic gift.
I was inspired to write my poem called
'the Understanding' and other social concious insights while there as well.
do the gov.
body use the internet ?.
the pope seems to....... "the 81-year old pontiff, who last year sent his first message over the internet, praised it as a "wonderful instrument" that should be used to spread the word of god and encourage global peace.. in his first message sent to the world directly over the internet last november, pope john paul apologized to victims of sexual abuse by priests and other clergy.".
HMM sounds like he was surfing my sites which was attached to my book I sent him in Italian.
http://www.fortunecity.com/greenfield/bp/890/abuse.html
Probably not since he didn't drop from reading it. *L*
>>i wanted to ask you about the sacrificing of animals in the temple if it's re-built.
>>are you of the sect that condones this stuff?
or are all jews supportive of this behavior?.
>>I wanted to ask you about the sacrificing of animals in the temple if it's re-built.
>>Are you of the sect that condones this stuff? Or are all Jews supportive of this behavior?
The proper treatment of animals was always a code practiced by Judaism, in the case of the holy sacrifices they were treated the same humane way they treat the animals when processed as food. Since the sacrifices were eaten then they were not any different then how we supply ourselves with meat.
Some find this ancient ritual outdatted and unecessary however I see it for it's symbolism (which is why the tradition was supposed to remain since it gave us the story we needed to recognize within the practice).
I am all for the sacrifices at the altar in it's symbolism but also it's use to bring community together and focused on Teshuva (repentance).
You see back then the animal offered up symbolized something and was shared and eaten amongst the gatherers. They all brought the fruits of their harvests and offerings and they had a big pot of foods to share amongst each other, like a bring your own dish Barbeque much like you see how town folk gather to enjoy each others food and company in our day.
So you see it's mans perception to frown apon things they do not know or understand but if you look at this with the proper perspective the gathering is actually something that conveys community, sharing, and pleasant interaction amongst neighbors while giving thanks to the creator for allowing them that blessing and abundance.
I've never seen a bring your own dish party where the people weren't happy and pleasant towards one another.
Something about man's love through his stomach that enriches the heart and spirit. : - )
