Did the Resurrection really happen?

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  • thinker
    thinker

    The Pattern of Historical Account vs. Myth:

    In historical accounts written after an event, the stories written most closely to the actual event are usually the MOST detailed and accurate. Those written many years later tend to contain LESS details. Myths, on the other hand, start with a central idea and GAIN details as the years go by. For example, we know that the myth of Santa Claus started with the actual person of St. Nick. That idea of St. Nick has grown to include a magical workshop at North Pole staffed by elves, magic sleigh and flying reindeer, landing on rooftops and traveling around the world in a single night. Each generation added MORE details to the myth.

    1) the first gospel written was Mark (50-67 A.D.)

    2) the oldest copies of Mark end with Mark 16:8 and make no mention of the appearance of the resurrected Jesus (except an angel says "he is risen). It is generally agreed upon that Mark did not write the last 12 verses. From the Catholic Encyclopedia: "Catholics are not bound to hold that the verses were written by St. Mark. " From ReligiousTolerance.org: "The oldest copies of the Gospel of Mark, the Sinaitic and Vatican, end at Mark 16:8. A note in the New International Version of the Bible states: "The most reliable early manuscripts and other ancient witnesses do not have Mark 16:9-20." Verses 9 to 20 appear to have been added later by an unknown Christian forger. The addition was quoted in the writings of Irenaeus and Hippolytus in the second or third century."

    3) Matt. was written next and makes a BRIEF mention of the resurrection and ascension; which includes a conspiracy theory about the body being stolen (Matt. 28:11-15); followed by Luke which uses ONE full chapter; and then John (about 120 A.D.) which uses TWO chapters to describe the resurrection and ascension.

    Question: Why is it that the gospel written most closely to the event lacks any reference to that event? Why does the resurrection and ascension become more prominent as the years go by?
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    Internal Evidence:
    Differing versions of the story.

    Question: How many women were at the tomb? Who came to the tomb first, the women, the apostles or the angel? One angel or more than one? Where did Jesus first appear? Was Jesus recognizable? Where else did Jesus appear? How and where did Jesus leave the Earth?
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    Where could the idea of Resurrection have come from?
    I was raised a Catholic. I remember as a child hearing my first mass in english rather than latin. I also remember when the usual hymns and church organ were given a rest and were replaced by a drum set and a couple of guitars. They played pop music with a semi-religious theme. Two songs I remember were George Harrison's "My sweet lord" and the beatles "Let it be". Seems that they wanted to make the church service more appealing.
    I have copies of speeches that Russell gave in Masonic temples. In those talks he used terms and ideas very similar to the practices that the Masons follow. Things such as secret knowledge, Jehovah as the great builder, etc...
    Just after the WTC attack some JWs left an Awake! in my door (April 2001). I ignored the terrorism article, but found the two "new age" articles interesting. One was on the mythical properties of amber and the other was about a stonehege-like ruin in Ireland.

    It seems to me that Religion often borrows from and incorporates popular culture in order to gain the attention of potential members.
    Just how long has this been going on?

    RELIGIONS THAT THE EARLY CHRISTIAN CHURCH COMPETED WITH:

    The doctrines of pagan religions at the time of Jesus' life:
    At the time of the life of Jesus of Nazareth, and for some centuries before, the Mediterranean and neighboring world had been the scene of a vast number of pagan creeds and rituals. There were Temples without end dedicated to gods like Apollo or Dionysus among the Greeks, Hercules among the Romans, Mithra among the Persians, Adonis and Attis in Syria and Phrygia, Osiris and Isis and Horus in Egypt, Baal and Astarte among the Babylonians and Carthaginians, and so forth.
    I may say roughly that of all or nearly all the deities
    above-mentioned it was said and believed that:

    (1) They were born on or very near our Christmas Day.
    (2) They were born of a Virgin-Mother.
    (3) And in a Cave or Underground Chamber.
    (4) They led a life of toil for Mankind.
    (5) And were called by the names of Light-bringer,
    Healer, Mediator, Savior, Deliverer.
    (6) They were however vanquished by the Powers of
    Darkness.
    (7) And descended into Hell or the Underworld.
    (8) They rose again from the dead, and became the
    pioneers of mankind to the Heavenly world.
    (9) They founded Communions of Saints, and Churches
    into which disciples were received by Baptism.
    (10) And they were commemorated by Eucharistic
    meals.

    Let me give a few brief examples.

    Mithra was born in a cave, and on the 25th December.
    He was born of a Virgin. He traveled far and wide as
    a teacher and illuminator of men. He slew the Bull
    (symbol of the gross Earth which the sunlight fructifies).
    His great festivals were the winter solstice and the Spring
    equinox (Christmas and Easter). He had twelve companions
    or disciples (the twelve months). He was buried
    in a tomb, from which however he rose again; and his
    resurrection was celebrated yearly with great rejoicings. He
    was called Savior and Mediator, and sometimes figured as
    a Lamb; and sacramental feasts in remembrance of him were
    held by his followers.

    Osiris was born (Plutarch tells us) on the 361st day of
    the year, say the 27th December. He too, like Mithra and
    Dionysus, was a great traveler. As King of Egypt he
    taught men civil arts, and "tamed them by music and
    gentleness, not by force of arms"; he was the discoverer
    of corn and wine. But he was betrayed by Typhon, the
    power of darkness, and slain and dismembered. "This happened,"
    says Plutarch, "on the 17th of the month Athyr,
    when the sun enters into the Scorpion" (the sign of the
    Zodiac which indicates the oncoming of Winter). His body
    was placed in a box, but afterwards, on the 19th, came again
    to life, and, as in the cults of Mithra, Dionysus, Adonis and
    others, so in the cult of Osiris, an image placed in a coffin
    was brought out before the worshipers and saluted with
    glad cries of "Osiris is risen." "His sufferings, his death
    and his resurrection were enacted year by year in a great
    mystery-play at Abydos.

    Adonis or Tammuz, the Syrian god of vegetation, was
    a very beautiful youth, born of a Virgin (Nature), and so
    beautiful that Venus and Proserpine (the goddesses of the
    Upper and Underworlds) both fell in love with him.
    To reconcile their claims it was agreed that he should
    spend half the year (summer) in the upper world, and the
    winter half with Proserpine below. He was killed by a
    boar (Typhon) in the autumn. And every year the maidens
    "wept for Adonis" (see Ezekiel viii. 14). In the spring
    a festival of his resurrection was held--the women set out
    to seek him, and having found the supposed corpse
    placed it (a wooden image) in a coffin or hollow tree, and
    performed wild rites and lamentations, followed by even
    wilder rejoicings over his supposed resurrection. At Aphaca
    in the North of Syria, and halfway between Byblus and
    Baalbec, there was a famous grove and temple of Astarte,
    near which was a wild romantic gorge full of trees, the
    birthplace of a certain river Adonis--the water rushing from
    a Cavern, under lofty cliffs. Here (it was said) every year
    the youth Adonis was again wounded to death, and the
    river ran red with his blood, while the scarlet anemone
    bloomed among the cedars and walnuts.

    The story of Attis is very similar. He was a fair young
    shepherd or herdsman of Phrygia, beloved by Cybele (or
    Demeter), the Mother of the gods. He was born of a Virgin
    --Nana--who conceived by putting a ripe almond or
    pomegranate in her bosom. He died, either killed by a
    boar, the symbol of winter, like Adonis, or self-castrated
    (like his own priests); and he bled to death at the foot of
    a pine tree (the pine and pine-cone being symbols of fertility).
    The sacrifice of his blood renewed the fertility of
    the earth, and in the ritual celebration of his death and
    resurrection his image was fastened to the trunk of a pine-
    tree (compare the Crucifixion). The worship of Attis became very widespread
    and much honored, and was ultimately incorporated
    with the established religion at Rome somewhere about the
    commencement of our Era.

    The similarity of these ancient pagan legends and
    beliefs with Christian traditions was indeed so great that
    it excited the attention and the undisguised wrath of the
    early Christian fathers. They felt no doubt about the similarity,
    but not knowing how to explain it fell back upon the
    innocent theory that the Devil--in order to confound the
    Christians--had, CENTURIES BEFORE, caused the pagans to
    adopt certain beliefs and practices! (Very crafty, we
    may say, of the Devil, but also very innocent of the
    Fathers to believe it!) Justin Martyr for instance
    describes the institution of the Lord's Supper as narrated
    in the Gospels, and then goes on to say: "Which the wicked
    devils have IMITATED in the mysteries of Mithra, commanding
    the same thing to be done. For, that bread and a cup
    of water are placed with certain incantations in the
    mystic rites of one who is being initiated you either know
    or can learn." Tertullian also says that "the devil by the
    mysteries of his idols imitates even the main part of the
    divine mysteries." . . . "He baptizes his worshippers in
    water and makes them believe that this purifies them from
    their crimes." . . . "Mithra sets his mark on the forehead
    of his soldiers; he celebrates the oblation of bread;
    he offers an image of the resurrection, and presents at once
    the crown and the sword; he limits his chief priest to a
    single marriage; he even has his virgins and ascetics."

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    To summarize, the story of the resurrection grew in detail as the years went by, just as a myth would. Religion has a history of "borrowing" from popular culture to attract new members. The popular pagan religions at the time of the apostles included a resurrection myth.

  • Seven
    Seven

    Hey Thinker, Interesting post. I always wondered why the women of Luke
    would have bothered making the trip to the tomb knowing beforehand that the rock was blocking the entrance. Btw, tell the better half hello from me. Seven

  • FetterFree Annie
    FetterFree Annie

    Hello thinker! Think about this!

    For centuries many of the world's distinguished philosophers have assaulted Christianity as being irrational, superstitious and absurd. Many have chosen simply to ignore the central issue of the resurrection. Others have tried to explain it away through various theories. But the historical evidence just can't be discounted.

    A student at the University of Uruguay said to me. "Professor McDowell, why can't you refute Christianity?"

    "For a very simple reason," I answered. "I am not able to explain away an event in history--the resurrection of Jesus Christ."

    How can we explain the empty tomb? Can it possibly be accounted for by any natural cause?

    A QUESTION OF HISTORY
    After more than 700 hours of studying this subject, I have come to the conclusion that the resurrection of Jesus Christ is either one of the most wicked, vicious, heartless hoaxes ever foisted on the minds of human beings--or it is the most remarkable fact of history.

    Here are some of the facts relevant to the resurrection: Jesus of Nazareth, a Jewish prophet who claimed to be the Christ prophesied in the Jewish Scriptures, was arrested, was judged a political criminal, and was crucified. Three days after His death and burial, some women who went to His tomb found the body gone. In subsequent weeks, His disciples claimed that God had raised Him from the dead and that He appeared to them various times before ascending into heaven.

    From that foundation, Christianity spread throughout the Roman Empire and has continued to exert great influence down through the centuries.

    LIVING WITNESSES
    The New Testament accounts of the resurrection were being circulated within the lifetimes of men and women alive at the time of the resurrection. Those people could certainly have confirmed or denied the accuracy of such accounts.

    The writers of the four Gospels either had themselves been witnesses or else were relating the accounts of eyewitnesses of the actual events. In advocating their case for the gospel, a word that means "good news," the apostles appealed (even when confronting their most severe opponents) to common knowledge concerning the facts of the resurrection.

    F. F. Bruce, Rylands professor of biblical criticism and exegesis at the University of Manchester, says concerning the value of the New Testament records as primary sources: "Had there been any tendency to depart from the facts in any material respect, the possible presence of hostile witnesses in the audience would have served as a further corrective."

    IS THE NEW TESTAMENT RELIABLE?
    Because the New Testament provides the primary historical source for information on the resurrection, many critics during the 19th century attacked the reliability of these biblical documents.

    By the end of the 1 9th century, however, archaeological discoveries had confirmed the accuracy of the New Testament manuscripts. Discoveries of early papyri bridged the gap between the time of Christ and existing manuscripts from a later date.

    Those findings increased scholarly confidence in the reliability of the Bible. William F. Albright, who in his day was the world's foremost biblical archaeologist, said: "We can already say emphatically that there is no longer any solid basis for dating any book of the New Testament after about A.D. 80, two full generations before the date between 130 and 150 given by the more radical New Testament critics of today."

    Coinciding with the papyri discoveries, an abundance of other manuscripts came to light (over 24,000 copies of early New Testament manuscripts are known to be in existence today). The historian Luke wrote of "authentic evidence" concerning the resurrection. Sir William Ramsay, who spent 15 years attempting to undermine Luke credentials as a historian, and to refute the reliability of the New Testament, finally concluded: "Luke is a historian of the first rank . . . This author should be placed along with the very greatest of historians. "

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    I claim to be an historian. My approach to Classics is historical. And I tell you that the evidence for the life, the death, and the resurrection of Christ is better authenticated than most of the facts of ancient history . . .
    E. M. Blaiklock
    Professor of Classics
    Auckland University

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    BACKGROUND
    The New Testament witnesses were fully aware of the background against which the resurrection took place. The body of Jesus, in accordance with Jewish burial custom, was wrapped in a linen cloth. About 100 pounds of aromatic spices, mixed together to form a gummy substance, were applied to the wrappings of cloth about the body. After the body was placed in a solid rock tomb, an extremely large stone was rolled against the entrance of the tomb. Large stones weighing approximately two tons were normally rolled (by means of levers) against a tomb entrance.

    A Roman guard of strictly disciplined fighting men was stationed to guard the tomb. This guard affixed on the tomb the Roman seal, which was meant to "prevent any attempt at vandalizing the sepulcher. Anyone trying to move the stone from the tomb's entrance would have broken the seal and thus incurred the wrath of Roman law.

    But three days later the tomb was empty. The followers of Jesus said He had risen from the dead. They reported that He appeared to them during a period of 40 days, showing Himself to them by many "infallible proofs." Paul the apostle recounted that Jesus appeared to more than 500 of His followers at one time, the majority of whom were still alive and who could confirm what Paul wrote. So many security precautions were taken with the trial, crucifixion, burial, entombment, sealing, and guarding of Christ's tomb that it becomes very difficult for critics to defend their position that Christ did not rise from the dead. Consider these facts:

    FACT #1: BROKEN ROMAN SEAL
    As we have said, the first obvious fact was the breaking of the seal that stood for the power and authority of the Roman Empire. The consequences of breaking the seal were extremely severe. The FBI and CIA of the Roman Empire were called into action to find the man or men who were responsible. If they were apprehended, it meant automatic execution by crucifixion upside down. People feared the breaking of the seal. Jesus' disciples displayed signs of cowardice when they hid themselves. Peter, one of these disciples, went out and denied Christ three times.

    FACT #2: EMPTY TOMB
    As we have already discussed, another obvious fact after the resurrection was the empty tomb. The disciples of Christ did not go off to Athens or Rome to preach that Christ was raised from the dead. Rather, they went right back to the city of Jerusalem, where, if what they were teaching was false, the falsity would be evident. The empty tomb was "too notorious to be denied." Paul Althaus states that the resurrection "could have not been maintained in Jerusalem for a single day, for a single hour, if the emptiness of the tomb had not been established as a fact for all concerned."

    Both Jewish and Roman sources and traditions admit an empty tomb. Those resources range from Josephus to a compilation of fifth-century Jewish writings called the "Toledoth Jeshu." Dr. Paul Maier calls this "positive evidence from a hostile source, which is the strongest kind of historical evidence. In essence, this means that if a source admits a fact decidedly not in its favor, then that fact is genuine."

    Gamaliel, who was a member of the Jewish high court, the Sanhedrin, put forth the suggestion that the rise of the Christian movement was God's doing; he could not have done that if the tomb were still occupied, or if the Sanhedrin knew the whereabouts of Christ's body.

    Paul Maier observes that " . . . if all the evidence is weighed carefully and fairly, it is indeed justifiable, according to the canons of historical research, to conclude that the sepulcher of Joseph of Arimathea, in which Jesus was buried, was actually empty on the morning of the first Easter. And no shred of evidence has yet been discovered in literary sources, epigraphy, or archaeology that would disprove this statement."

    FACT #3: LARGE STONE MOVED
    On that Sunday morning the first thing that impressed the people who approached the tomb was the unusual position of the one and a half to two ton stone that had been lodged in front of the doorway. All the Gospel writers mention it.

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    There exists no document from the ancient world, witnessed by so excellent a set of textual and historical testimonies . . . Skepticism regarding the historical credentials of Christianity is based upon an irrational bias.

    Clark Pinnock
    Mcmaster University

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    Those who observed the stone after the resurrection describe its position as having been rolled up a slope away not just from the entrance of the tomb, but from the entire massive sepulcher. It was in such a position that it looked as if it had been picked up and carried away. Now, I ask you, if the disciples had wanted to come in, tiptoe around the sleeping guards, and then roll the stone over and steal Jesus' body, how could they have done that without the guards' awareness?

    FACT #4: ROMAN GUARD GOES AWOL
    The Roman guards fled. They left their place of responsibility. How can their attrition he explained, when Roman military discipline was so exceptional? Justin, in Digest #49, mentions all the offenses that required the death penalty. The fear of their superiors' wrath and the possibility of death meant that they paid close attention to the minutest details of their jobs. One way a guard was put to death was by being stripped of his clothes and then burned alive in a fire started with his garments. If it was not apparent which soldier had failed in his duty, then lots were drawn to see which one wand be punished with death for the guard unit's failure. Certainly the entire unit would not have fallen asleep with that kind of threat over their heads. Dr. George Currie, a student of Roman military discipline, wrote that fear of punishment "produced flawless attention to duty, especially in the night watches."

    FACT #5: GRAVECLOTHES TELL A TALE
    In a literal sense, against all statements to the contrary, the tomb was not totally empty--because of an amazing phenomenon. John, a disciple of Jesus, looked over to the place where the body of Jesus had lain, and there were the grave clothes, in the form of the body, slightly caved in and empty--like the empty chrysalis of a caterpillar's cocoon. That's enough to make a believer out of anybody. John never did get over it. The first thing that stuck in the minds of the disciples was not the empty tomb, but rather the empty grave clothes--undisturbed in form and position.

    FACT #6: JESUS' APPEARANCES CONFIRMED
    Christ appeared alive on several occasions after the cataclysmic events of that first Easter . When studying an event in history, it is important to know whether enough people who were participants or eyewitnesses to the event were alive when the facts about the event were published. To know this is obviously helpful in ascertaining the accuracy of the published report. If the number of eyewitnesses is substantial, the event can he regarded as fairly well established. For instance, if we all witness a murder, and a later police report turns out to he a fabrication of lies, we as eyewitnesses can refute it.

    OVER 500 WITNESSES
    Several very important factors arc often overlooked when considering Christ's post-resurrection appearances to individuals. The first is the large number of witnesses of Christ after that resurrection morning. One of the earliest records of Christ's appearing after the resurrection is by Paul. The apostle appealed to his audience's knowledge of the fact that Christ had been seen by more than 500 people at one time. Paul reminded them that the majority of those people were still alive and could be questioned. Dr. Edwin M. Yamauchi, associate professor of history at Miami University in Oxford, Ohio, emphasizes: "What gives a special authority to the list (of witnesses) as historical evidence is the reference to most of the five hundred brethren being still alive. St. Paul says in effect, 'If you do not believe me, you can ask them.' Such a statement in an admittedly genuine letter written within thirty years of the event is almost as strong evidence as one could hope to get for something that happened nearly two thousand years ago." Let's take the more than 500 witnesses who saw Jesus alive after His death and burial, and place them in a courtroom. Do you realize that if each of those 500 people were to testify for only six minutes, including cross-examination, you would have an amazing 50 hours of firsthand testimony? Add to this the testimony of many other eyewitnesses and you would well have the largest and most lopsided trial in history.

    HOSTILE WITNESSES
    Another factor crucial to interpreting Christ's appearances is that He also appeared to those who were hostile or unconvinced.

    Over and over again, I have read or heard people comment that Jesus was seen alive after His death and burial only by His friends and followers. Using that argument, they attempt to water down the overwhelming impact of the multiple eyewitness accounts. But that line of reasoning is so pathetic it hardly deserves comment. No author or informed individual would regard Saul of Tarsus as being a follower of Christ. The facts show the exact opposite. Saul despised Christ and persecuted Christ's followers. It was a life-shattering experience when Christ appeared to him. Although he was at the time not a disciple, he later became the apostle Paul, one of the greatest witnesses for the truth of the resurrection.

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    If the New Testament were a collection of secular writings, their authenticity would generally be regarded as beyond all doubt.

    F. F. Bruce
    Manchester University

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    The argument that Christ's appearances were only to followers is an argument for the most part from silence, and arguments from silence can be dangerous. It is equally possible that all to whom Jesus appeared became followers. No one acquainted with the facts can accurately say that Jesus appeared to just "an insignificant few."

    Christians believe that Jesus was bodily resurrected in time and space by the supernatural power of God. The difficulties of belief may be great, but the problems inherent in unbelief present even greater difficulties.

    The theories advanced to explain the resurrection by "natural causes" are weak; they actually help to build confidence in the truth of the resurrection.

    THE WRONG TOMB?
    A theory propounded by Kirsopp Lake assumes that the women who reported that the body was missing had mistakenly gone to the wrong tomb. If so, then the disciples who went to check up on the women's statement must have also gone to the wrong tomb. We may be certain, however, that Jewish authorities, who asked for a Roman guard to be stationed at the tomb to prevent Jesus' body from being stolen, would not have been mistaken about the location. Nor would the Roman guards, for they were there!

    If the resurrection-claim was merely because of a geographical mistake, the Jewish authorities would have lost no time in producing the body from the proper tomb, thus effectively quenching for all time any rumor resurrection.

    HALLUCINATIONS?
    Another attempted explanation claims that the appearances of Jesus after the resurrection were either illusions or hallucinations. Unsupported by the psychological principles governing the appearances of hallucinations, this theory also does not coincide with the historical situation. Again, where was the actual body, and why wasn't it produced?

    DID JESUS SWOON?
    Another theory, popularized by Venturini several centuries ago, is often quoted today. This is the swoon theory, which says that Jesus didn't die; he merely fainted from exhaustion and loss of blood. Everyone thought Him dead, but later He resuscitated and the disciples thought it to be a resurrection. Skeptic David Friedrich Strauss--certainly no believer in the resurrection--gave the deathblow to any thought that Jesus revived from a swoon: "It is impossible that a being who had stolen half-dead out of the sepulchre, who crept about weak and ill, wanting medical treatment, who required bandaging, strengthening and indulgence, and who still at last yielded to His sufferings, could have given to the disciples the impression that He was a Conqueror over death and the grave, the Prince of Life,

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    For the New Testament of Acts, the confirmation of historicity is overwhelming. Any attempt to reject its basic historicity, even in matters of detail, must now appear absurd. Roman historians have long taken it for granted.

    A. N. Sherwin-White
    Classical Roman Historian

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    an impression which lay at the bottom of their future ministry. Such a resuscitation could only have weakened the impression which He had made upon them in life and in death, at the most could only have given it an elegiac voice, but could by no possibility have changed their sorrow into enthusiasm, have elevated their reverence into worship."

    THE BODY STOLEN?
    Then consider the theory that the body was stolen by the disciples while the guards slept. The depression and cowardice of the disciples provide a hard-hitting argument against their suddenly becoming so brave and daring as to face a detachment of soldiers at the tomb and steal the body. They were in no mood to attempt anything like that.

    The theory that the Jewish or Roman authorities moved Christ's body is no more reasonable an explanation for the empty tomb than theft by the disciples. If the authorities had the body in their possession or knew where it was, why, when the disciples were preaching the resurrection in Jerusalem, didn't they explain: "Wait! We moved the body, see, He didn't rise from the grave"?

    And if such a rebuttal failed, why didn't they explain exactly where Jesus' body lay? If this failed, why didn't they recover the corpse, put it on a cart, and wheel it through the center of Jerusalem? Such an action would have destroyed Christianity--not in the cradle, but in the womb!

    THE RESURRECTION IS A FACT
    Professor Thomas Arnold, for 14 years a headmaster of Rugby, author of the famous, History of Rome, and appointed to the chair of modern history at Oxford, was well acquainted with the value of evidence in determining historical facts. This great scholar said: "I have been used for many years to study the histories of other times, and to examine and weigh the evidence of those who have written about them, and I know of no one fact in the history of mankind which is proved by better and fuller evidence of every sort, to the understanding of a fair inquirer, than the great sign which God bath given us that Christ died and rose again from the dead." Brooke Foss Westcott, an English scholar, said: "raking all the evidence together, it is not too much to say that there is no historic incident better or more variously supported than the resurrection of Christ. Nothing but the antecedent assumption that it must be false could have suggested the idea of deficiency in the proof of it."

    REAL PROOF: THE DISCIPLES' LIVES
    But the most telling testimony of all must be the lives of those early Christians. We must ask ourselves: What caused them to go everywhere telling the message of the risen Christ?

    Had there been any visible benefits accrued to them from their efforts--prestige, wealth, increased social status or material benefits--we might logically attempt to account for their actions, for their whole-hearted and total allegiance to this "risen Christ ."

    As a reward for their efforts, however, those early Christians were beaten, stoned to death, thrown to the lions, tortured and crucified. Every conceivable method was used to stop them from talking.

    Yet, they laid down their lives as the ultimate proof of their complete confidence in the truth of their message.

    WHERE DO YOU STAND?
    How do you evaluate this overwhelming historical evidence? What is your decision about the fact of Christ's empty tomb? What do you think of Christ?

    When I was confronted with the overwhelming evidence for Christ's resurrection, I had to ask the logical question: "What difference does all this evidence make to me? What difference does it make whether or not I believe Christ rose again and died on the cross for my sins!' The answer is put best by something Jesus said to a man who doubted--Thomas. Jesus told him: "I am the way, and the truth, and the life; no one comes to the Father but through Me" (John 14:6).

    On the basis of all the evidence for Christ's resurrection, and considering the fact that Jesus offers forgiveness of sin and an eternal relationship with God, who would be so foolhardy as to reject Him? Christ is alive! He is living today.

  • Larsguy
    Larsguy
    ...we know that the myth of Santa Claus started with the actual person of St. Nick

    Actually, there is a bit more to it than that though your point is well-taken about how myths evolve. St. Nick is a reference to the Devil, but the current kids-loving Santa Claus is based on an actual St. Nicolas. But in the earliest days, there were two of them. One black and one white; of course, the black St. Nick represented the evil and the white St. Nick the good. And they used to ride together in the sled with the black St. Nick in the back. I've wondered if that is part of the concept of why in the South the blacks were supposed to ride in the back of the bus.

    At any rate, various tangents, as you noted, keep getting added or deleted from the myth or even combined and distorted. Many people do combine the idea and understanding that St. Nick represents the Devil but only because there's only one Santa Claus now. They don't realize that there used to be two of them riding in that sled originally.

    But that's also a parallel point. Some critical historical details that later become embarrassing are suppressed or distorted or left out when the times change and cultural sensitivities change.

    Nice post with a legitimate question. The Bible like all historical works has to stand on it's own against criciticism. I think it does very well basically, but it shouldn't be immune to examination.

    L.G.

  • Larsguy
    Larsguy

    Interesting premise here, which I won't debate, but just add it's not the only theory.

    What I've pointed out is the common origin of mankinds beliefs about the Messiah as taught by Noah and the distortion of that concept. The only point being that we assume because some surviving record which might have been a distorted record, just because it's in an older extant copy, has more validity or predated a more original version of which we only have later copies. It's like the flood myth; each culture has it's own take on it but that suggests a common origin.

    The issue of the Messiah could be the same. Genesis sets the premise for the Messiah being bruised in the heel by the Devil. If Noah understood that the Messiah would come and die for the sins of mankind then that's all the foundation you need for varying and evolving Messiah myths. Furthermore, sometimes myths grow out of strategic historical events and become mytholigized.

    Now, as far as the NT is concerned, there is a little wrinkle. That wrinkle is the fact that the primary contributors to the NT, John and Paul, never died per critical Biblical understanding and as believed in certain "anointed" circles.

    Jesus said that "some standing here would not die until he arrived"; and several references in the scriptures shows there were two recognized classes during Jesus' day; one which would die and then resurrected at Christ's return and another class that would not die at all. This was considered literal. John in the last verses of his book discuss about the rumor that he "would not die", but that was only in the conetxt that Peter had been told he would die and this simply addressed whether John would be in the "living" group or the "resurrection" group.

    Of note, Paul includes himself in the group of those who would "survive until the Lord's day" in comparison to those who would die and get resurrected later at the time of Christ's presence: 1 Thess 4:15 "...WE THE LIVING who survive to the presence of the Lord shall in no way precede those who have fallen asleep in death." Note he is establishing two groups: the living who SURVIVE until the Lords presence adn those who must fall asleep in death. But he includes himself in the former group, when he says "WE THE LIVING." And he uses the right term, "survive" since he is talking about 1900 plus years! Of course, most persons cannot handle the idea of a group of original Christians living all this time.

    Even so, there is a basis for this belief in scripture. But that being the case, certainly John and Paul were around to influence the NT canon, at least that's the presumption. So the usual presumptions would not in particular apply to the NT.

    In addition, as I said, Noah would have known of the Messiah and his ransom sacrifice and that would have been sufficient common knowledge to explain the consistent myths about a dying god who rises later and gives life to all things. Only it got connected with spring and the land and other distortions. Even so, the Jewish belief in the Messiah needn't have been based on the pagan adaptations; their myth of the Messiah goes all the way back to the Garden of Eden.

    But as someone else noted, when it comes to history and what we can actually PROVE, we can only get so close.

    Nicely prepared article! I enjoyed reading it.

    L.G.

  • thinkers wife
    thinkers wife

    Hi Seven,
    Hope you are well!!! Thanks for the good thought!!!
    TW

  • Kenneson
    Kenneson

    Seven of nine writes: "I always wondered why the women of Luke would have bothered making the trip to the tomb knowing beforehand that the rock was blocking the entrance."

    What is so unusual about that? Many people visit the graves of
    family members or friends just as a token of remembrance or to
    say a prayer or to place flowers at the grave site. We do the
    same even in our day.

  • Mr Bean
    Mr Bean

    Annie.

    Your article has deeply disturbed me.

    I just wonder who can refute so strong logic and arguments you have well presented here.

    I have lost a lot of trust in the Bible after I have left JW's, but... I'm going to research some more. Arguments presented by the WTS were not even near the quality you have presented here.

    I'll be watching this space very carefully.

    Great job.

    Peace...

  • FetterFree Annie
    FetterFree Annie

    {quote} I always wondered why the women of Luke
    would have bothered making the trip to the tomb knowing beforehand that the rock was blocking the entrance. {/Quote}

    Read Luke again: Chapter 24 verse 1 "Now upon the first day of the week, very early in the morning, they came unto the sepulchre, bringing the spices which they had prepared, AND CERTAIN OTHERS WITH THEM.

    We don't have to assume that those others were also women! Presumably the stone had been rolled there by men and these men returned with the women so they could complete the job they were unable to do because of the sabbath.

    But the natural man receiveth not the things of the Spirit of God: for they are foolishness unto him: nether can he know them, because they are spiritually discerned. 1 Cor 2:14

  • Kenneson
    Kenneson

    Thanks Annie for reminding me of that passage. I had forgotten
    it. The reason for their return visit is right there in Luke!
    No need for speculation on my part.

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