Liberty
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Response to RWC's Atheist Questions
by Liberty inhi rwc,.
i'm sure you're a very nice person and i don't want to get into an argument but rather a civil debate.
i just wanted to point out that as ex-jws many of us are a little obsessed with truth (not to be confused with "the truth" tm) and that after being burned by the watchtower society and hating ourselves for being so stupid to have fallen for its bs we have now become highly skeptical of the bible as well.
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Question: ONLY ANOINTED ARE UNFORGIVABLE ?
by Liberty inminimus got me to thinking in his thread about the unforgivable sin and judging apostates.
i hope someone with a clearer memory than mine can confirm or deny what i remember.
i have some vague memory that the society taught that only members of the "anointed class" (144,000) could commit the unforgivable sin against the the holy spirit because only they had been called by it personally and, therefore, only they could reject it consciously and willfully.
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MORE ON 1975, FOR MUSKY
by Liberty inalong with musky's 1975 post i've just seen another so i wanted to try and reach musky again and reach others who wonder about the reality of the society's 1975 speculations.
af and others have done an excellent job documenting what was actually said by the watchtower society through their own official publications and spokesmen.
as a person who was actually there in those heady times of the late 60's and early 70's these official documents confirm what my memory tells me i knew all along, that of course the society actively promoted 1975 as a "marked date" or a date of "great significance" at the very least.
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DEMONS SCARED THE CRAP OUT OF ME!!!!
by Liberty insince most of us here are ex-jws i'm sure we all have been scared of demons at one time or another as their touted reality is a basic cornerstone of the watch tower philosophy.
gossip and rumors dealing with demon attacks are encouraged by the society in local congregations and such stories frequently appear in watch tower publications to further strengthen the argument that demons are real and are ready at any opening to "demonize" us if we fall short of deserving "jehovah's protection" or foolishly venture beyond the protection of "jehovah's organization".. since belief in demonic beings is so widespread inside the jw community, current or ex, many have reported encounters with these minions of satan.
i take these reports seriously, for the most part, knowing how real demons once seemed to me i can easily believe that someone with a similar jw background may think that they really are the victims of such supernatural forces.
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DO EVEN DIE HARD JWs REALLY THINK THE END IS NEAR
by Liberty inafter reading a couple of posts about the growing apathy among the r&f jws today i was reminded of the years following 1975 when the dropout rate was growing rapidly and the "faithful" die hards took it as a sign that the "end" was really really near since the winnowing process was removing so much chaff.
keep in mind that this was over 25 years ago.
it's been mentioned before but it is worth repeating that, no matter what is happening, religious fanatics(jws) always see it as a sign from god.
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Seeing reality,JWs are "oddball crackpots...
by Liberty inafter reading you know's response to the dateline expose' i was reminded of my own brain washing years ago while being raised as a jw.
it seems so funny to me now but i too used to believe that we jws were completely normal and that anyone who said otherwise was misinformed.
when i finally removed myself from the watchtower society's influence reality slowly crept into my consciousness and the objective fact that jws are "oddball crackpots" became clear and indisputable.. as a jw i believed in a whole host of absolutely ridiculous and illogical idiocy.
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HOW GOD GETS MESSAGE TO WATCHTOWER LEADERSHIP
by Liberty injust how do the 144,000 co-rule the earthly organization with christ?
i started thinking about this subject again after seeing the post on the watchtower as a false prophet.
do any of you remember how this was explained in the old days (i've been out so long i don't know if this is now "old light")?
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Anointed VS. G.B.: Who is Faithful Slave Class?
by Liberty inplmkrzy's post about the wt article on who should partake of the "emblems" really brings to light a serious contradiction in the watch tower society's own convoluted theology.
many here have already pointed out these contradictions but i think it needs repeating in a clear post of its own.
if, as this new wt article claims, an anointed one does not have any "greater understanding" of scripture than the non-anointed then what happens to the old teaching that the anointed are regularly in communication with jah's holy spirit and transmit these communications to the wt society's leadership?
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WTB&T DOESN'T USE MIND CONTROL???
by Liberty ini was stunned to see that one of our new posters doesn't believe that the society uses mind control on its members.
i think that the fact that they don't see it is evidence of just how deep the control really goes.
have they never read 1984 by george orwell?
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KILLER JWs NOT LIKELY BUT.............
by Liberty ini find it highly unlikely that the watchtower society would ever demand that their followers start armageddon by killing their/god's "enemies".
such a move would quickly spell the death of the jw movement as they are such a tiny minority of the general population and such crazed behaviour would be met with swift and complete irradication of the society by even the most tolerant governments.
the cowards who run the society would never risk such an assured loss of comfort, position, and money since any accomplishment gained from this desparate(irrational)action would be very short-lived.