It's disgusting how the organization does everything it can to avoid scrutiny of their damaging policies rather than humbly accepting assistance to improve.
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JW's lost their appeal to avoid investigation by a New Zealand Royal Commission
by AndersonsInfo inthe jehovah's witnesses have lost their appeal to avoid investigation by a new zealand royal commission.
"a legal bid by the jehovah's witness church challenging a ruling by the royal commission of inquiry into abuse in care has been dismissed by the court of appeal.
https://www.rnz.co.nz/news/national/515102/abuse-in-care-inquiry-jehovah-s-witness-appeal-dismissed.
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Do you recognize the Truth? Watchtower July, 2024
by Listener inthe stated focus of this study article is.
focustraining ourselves to discern the difference between the truth we have learned from jehovah and the falsehoods promoted by satan and our opposers.. of course, the article goes on to claim that the truth is not only in the bible, but also from the watchtower organization.
the first of two qualities needed to discern truth is -.
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The stated focus of this study article is
FOCUS
Training ourselves to discern the difference between the truth we have learned from Jehovah and the falsehoods promoted by Satan and our opposers.Of course, the article goes on to claim that the truth is not only in the Bible, but also from the Watchtower organization.
The first of two qualities needed to discern truth is -
FEAR (of Jehovah)
The article says that having this fear makes us eager to learn between truth and falsehood.
It also talks about having fear in God, rather than men. This, as does most of the article, has nothing to do with the stated 'focus'.
The second quality needed to discern truth stated in the article, is -
HUMILITY
Comments under this quality include
Being prideful could lead us to consider our personal opinions to be just as valid as Scriptural principles and direction from Jehovah’s organization.
Jehovah will help us put his thoughts, which he provides through his Word and his organization, ahead of our own.That's it folks, that's how you identify the Truth
This is an interesting paragraph about changes
We can maintain our confidence in Jehovah’s organization. When it becomes clear that an adjustment is needed in our understanding of a certain Bible truth or in the way that the Kingdom work is organized, those taking the lead do not hesitate to make the necessary changes. (Prov. 4:18) They do so because, more than anything else, they want to please Jehovah. They also do their best to base their decisions on God’s Word, the standard to which all of Jehovah’s people must adhere.
As expected, there's no discussion here between previous and current teachings, between truth and falsehoods.
Instead, it says that they are not hesitant in making the required changes but why does it often take months or even years to do so? 'Not hesitant', they must be joking. They know there are so many untruths in the literature that have not been changed.
They also say that they do their best to base their decisions on God's Word and acknowledge it is the standard to which we all must adhere.
The fact is, they don't and won't acknowledge that their best is not good enough but if you don't like it, you've just got to accept it.
It's a matter of whenever they want to make a change, they'll turn to the Bible and see what they can use there to back that change.
This article isn't about Truth. It's all about when someone is not okay with their decisions (even when it doesn't accord with the Bible), they are not being humble or that they don't have fear of Jehovah by not accepting the direction of his organization.
Other than one scripture, there was nothing explaining how to identify between truths and falsehoods.
It's one thing to be stating that God brings forward Truths and that Falsehoods are from Satan. The problem with that idea is that there are falsehoods in the organization (that's part of being imperfect and fallible) and there are some truths coming from Satan (Wolf in sheep's clothing). They are not willing to teach followers how to discern the differences.
For believers of the Bible, they were right in quoting Psalms 2:3-6 which tells us it is a hidden treasure that we need to keep searching for and it is from God, nothing about an organization there. JWs would rather be spoonfed than to do the searching.
Moreover, if you call out for understandingaAnd raise your voice for discernment;b 4 If you keep seeking for it as for silver,cAnd you keep searching for it as for hidden treasures;d 5 Then you will understand the fear of Jehovah,eAnd you will find the knowledge of God.f 6 For Jehovah himself gives wisdom;gFrom his mouth come knowledge and discernment.
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SECRET RECORDING 14TH APRIL:RALPH WALLS: MORE CHANGES ARE COMING!
by raymond frantz insecret recording 14th april:ralph walls: more changes are coming!.
( broadcasted to all british congregations today).
https://youtu.be/owg4bqj7pd0?si=yvfpkkos_qoy9u10.
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Halcon - What a claim. What scriptures did he use to support this?
He didn't use any scriptures and it is the first time I have heard that the anointed were going to receive their own source of life and energy.
Being given incorruptible bodies is in their literature but I can't find anything to show that receiving their own source of life is in there.
I did find the following about Jesus -
Watchtower 62 10/1
36 The title “father” means a male parent, and a male parent means a progenitor, an author or source, one who begets or brings forth offspring. Since God was the Father of Jesus, was Jesus also dependent upon God for life? Only Jesus’ own words could give a convincing answer to this question. Note now these words of Jesus: “The dead shall hear the voice of the Son of God: and they that hear shall live. For as the Father hath life in himself; so hath he given to the Son to have life in himself.” (John 5:25, 26, AV) God as the Father is the Source of life; and he gives to his Son the privilege to have life in himself. We can therefore appreciate what John 1:4, 5 (AV) says of the Word or Logos: “In him was life; and the life was the light of men. And the light shineth in darkness; and the darkness comprehended it not.”
They further state in the article that as Jesus has his own source of life, he is the power to resurrect and was given those keys.
But whether they moved away from this teaching is not clear. There are numerous articles before and after this that state that only Jehovah is the source of life.
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SECRET RECORDING 14TH APRIL:RALPH WALLS: MORE CHANGES ARE COMING!
by raymond frantz insecret recording 14th april:ralph walls: more changes are coming!.
( broadcasted to all british congregations today).
https://youtu.be/owg4bqj7pd0?si=yvfpkkos_qoy9u10.
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He says that the anointed will have incorruptible bodies and be given what even the angels don’t have, only jehovah and Jesus - their own source of life and energy.
He says JWs are privelaged to have what many will not have, that is, personal knowledge of the anointed (meaning the GB members).
No doubt, this is how they justify blasting their faces into jws homes, on the assembly screens and on JW.org. It’s a privelage that they bestow on the r&f.
How much more reverence can they call to themselves?
Time stamp is 15.30
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I think I know what the GB is doing
by HowTheBibleWasCreated inread:.
but if ever that evil slave says in his heart, ‘my master is delaying,’b 49 and he starts to beat his fellow slaves and to eat and drink with the confirmed drunkards.
hmm... let's see is anyone on the governing body a strict master and a drunkard?
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Howthebiblewascreated ...All the changes: no hours, beards, pants and no ties, salvation by grace after the tribulation and dissfelliwshipped greeting and 3 month term...
More than one previous GB member put those laws into place before AMIII. If there was an evil slave, it couldn't be pinned on AMIII, it would have to be previous leaders.
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Watchtower intentionally misleading the court?
by Vanderhoven7 inseems to me wt lawyers and witnesses cannot be trusted even under oath.. mara mitchell writes.
as far as their family members are concerned, normal family relations continue with the exception of spiritual fellowship.”.
attached is a video on how watchtower presents family members being treated by their family when defending themselves in court.. .
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If this was true, it's very likely the ex JW that brought the case to court would have felt any need to.
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2024-April Shepherd The Flock Of God Manual.
by Atlantis in2024-april-elder-manual.. .
https://files.accessjw.org/s/qpctw2hg87t9hxx .
grandpa!.
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It looks like the Chariot can't keep up with itself.
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Prediction: no more changes for a long while
by slimboyfat ini’ve noticed a pattern where things don’t go the way i expect them to go and/or whenever i realise there is a trend and, i mentally adjust for the idea that the trend will continue, the trend stops in its tracks.
so on that basis, and given many people, including myself, and active jws, have been asking ‘what changes will the governing body make next?’ perhaps the (disappointing) answer is: ‘nothing much for a while to come’.
maybe they’ve made the changes they want for now, and will wait a while and see how it’s received.
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NotFormer - Are there any more important frivolities that they can address?
How about this one - They announce big changes to 1914 and at the same time, announce that masturbation is now a conscience matter.
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Will I be disfellowshippwd
by Sydney iny'all i am an unmedicated bipolar.
i had a mania streak and slept with my bf who is of the world.
i am pregnant from this.
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Sydney, are you seeking any medical assistance at all? I would focus on this in the first instance as being pregnant could cause issues, along with having to deal with the Elders. It is important that you and your unborn baby are safe and healthy.
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Norway
by St George of England inso the wt society is going to contest the recent norway ruling.. jehovah’s witnesses to appeal unconstitutional ruling in norway (jw.org).
their true colours are shown in the statement: "the decision to deregister jehovah’s witnesses denies us the financial aid and other benefits that the government provides to over 700 registered religious communities in the country.
additional consequences include losing the right to appoint and authorize ministers of jehovah’s witnesses as officiants for weddings.".
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Jeffro - But they have doubled down on shunning 'apostates'
Yes, they may have eliminated a few of the reasons for the ruling but they've also made it worse in other areas, such as apostasy, as you pointed out.
I wonder if they think that it's not possible for a minor to be considered as an apostate because they are ultimately under the authority of their parents. If their parents tell them they have to attend meetings, or they can't speak negatively about the religion to others, or that their atheism is irrelevant then the Government will not intervene in the well accepted parent/child relationship, so apostasy becomes irrelevant. They may argue in court that they will not disfellowship a child for apostasy because ultimately all they are doing is rebelling against the parents and it's up to the parents to keep them in line.