When a JW tells me they engage in critical thinking, I ask, "Great! Tell me one thing the WT organization currently teaches that you disagree with."
Crickets...
i need to vent again here.
because i have no one else to talk with and no one who really understands except for the people here.
my wife is the most dangerous kind of jw.
When a JW tells me they engage in critical thinking, I ask, "Great! Tell me one thing the WT organization currently teaches that you disagree with."
Crickets...
i was reading today that the last star wars movie will be playing next week.
doing a little searching, i found that there have been 12 movies in the saga total, ( box office, total (12 films): $9.323 billion.)..
it got me thinking about when the empire strikes back came out, it was the second movie ( 1980).
The next time a JW tells you how close Armageddon is, show him or her this compendium.
1915 "The present great war in Europe is the beginning of the Armageddon of the Scriptures (Rev 19:16-20). It will eventuate in the complete overthrow of all the systems of error which have so long oppressed the people of God and deluded the world. We believe the present war cannot last much longer until revolutions shall break out" (C.T. Russell, Pastor Russell's Sermons, p. 676, Sometime during World War I)
1938 ...mark the words of Jesus, which definitely seem to discourage the bearing of children immediately before or during Armageddon .. It would therefore appear that there is no reasonable or scriptural injunction to bring children into the world immediately before Armageddon, where we now are." {WT Nov 1 1938 324}
1941
"Receiving the gift, [Rutherford's book, Children] the marching children
clasped it to them, not a toy or plaything for idle pleasure, but the Lord's
provided instrument for most effective work in the remaining months before
Armageddon." (Watchtower Sept. 15, 1941, p. 288)
1942
"Now, with Armageddon immediately before us, it is a matter of life or
destruction. Those who would be of the Lord’s other sheep that shall compose
the great multitude of Armageddon survivors and live joyfully on earth forever
must find the answer to a very personal question, and very important."
(Watchtower, April 1, 1942, p. 139)
1946
"the disaster of Armageddon, greater than that which befell Sodom and
Gomorrah, is at the door." (Let God Be True, 1946, p. 194)
1955
"in the light of the fulfillment of Bible prophecy it is becoming clear
that the war of Armageddon is nearing its breaking-out point." (You May Survive
Armageddon into God’s New World, 1955, p 331)
1968
"The immediate future is certain to be filled with climatic events, for
this old system is nearing its complete end. Within a few years at most the
final parts of Bible prophecy relative to these last days will undergo
fulfillment resulting in the liberation of surviving mankind into Christ's
glorious 1000 year reign!" (Watchtower, 1/5/1968)
1968 "True, there have
been those in times past who predicted an 'end' to the world, even announcing
a specific date. Yet nothing happened. The 'end' did not come. They were
guilty of false prophesying. Why? What was missing? Missing from such people
were God's truths and the evidence that He was using and guiding them. .. But
what about today? Today we have the evidence required, all of it. And it is
overwhelming! All the many, many parts of the great sign of the last days are
here, together with verifying Bible chronology." {Awake Oct 8 1968 23}
1969
"If you are a young person, you also need to face the fact that you will
never grow old in this present system of things. Why not? Because all the
evidence in fulfillment of Bible prophecy indicates that this corrupt system is
due to end in a few years. {Awake May 22 1969 15}}
1969
"in view of the short time left, a decision to pursue a career in this
system of things is not only unwise but extremely dangerous....Many young
brothers and sisters were offered scholarship or employment that promised fine
pay. However, they turned them down and put spiritual interests first."
(Kingdom Ministry, June 1969, p. 3)
1974
"Yes, the end of this system is so very near! Is that not reason to
increase our activity?...Reports are heard of brothers selling their homes and
property and planning to finish out the rest of their days in this old system
in the pioneer service. Certainly this is a fine way to spend the short time
remaining before the wicked world's end." (Kingdom Ministry, May 1974, p.
3)
1980 "If the wicked system of this world survived until the turn of the
century, which is highly improbable in view of world trends and the fulfillment
of Bible prophecy, there would still be survivors of the World War I generation.
However, the fact that their number is dwindling is one more indication that
'the conclusion of the system of things' is moving fast toward its end."
{WT Oct 15 1980 31}
1984
Some of that "generation (of 1914)" could survive until the end of
the century. But there are many indications that "the end" is much
closer than that! (The Watchtower, March 1, 1984 pp. 18-19)
hello forum.
my aunt, flyinghighnow, has passed away.
i don't know if you remember her, but she was a long time member.
Very sorry.
She seemed like a really nice person.
I enjoyed her posts.
there was a time when brooklyn bethel was emblazoned with the words; "read god's word the bible daily" but it seems to me now that even the bible has taken second place to jw.org.
i remember having lots of studies using the 'truth' book.
we asked the students in those days to prepare well and look up the scriptures in their own copy of the bible.
Fred Franz forget to train a theological successor.
Maybe he really believed he would never die...
yesterday i got home from work and decided to buy a case of beer because, why not?
it’s monday.
the shop is conveniently round the corner from my place.
"Former sister, I was planning to buy scotch instead of beer, but I see Tony Morris has purchased their entire inventory already..."
i can`t believe the tidbits i`m finding out about the changes ,dumbing down of the meetings i used to attend and participate in up until the late 1980`s ...
It's not just with the rank and file.
The GB hasn't had a real purveyor of WT theology since Fred Franz.
i believe when we were in the jw cult, our brains and thoughts were hijacked by the governing body.
i truly believe the gb thinks all members are stupid and they laugh at them in their wednesday morning secret meetings.. one such teaching that i never heard anyone bring out or question yet the absurdity and contradiction is blatantly obvious is: revelation chapter 20 says that christ will reign for 1000 years.
it doesn't say he will reign more than a thousand yrs but only 1000 yrs.
Jesus said in Matthew 28:19 that all authority in heaven and on earth had already been given to him. So how much more authority did he receive in 1914?
had to look.
first paragraph mentions that most of were probably born after 1914. most?
i bet the dubs 105 and older can be counted on your fingers..
Maybe we were born in 1914 or before if our lives overlapped someone who was born back then.
at one assembly(tm), i was asked to relate an 'experience(tm)' which i did.
however, during rehearsals, the geezer in charge elder or co or some such title, told me that i shouldn't tell it the way it was.
i did a 're-enactment(tm)' with another 'brother(tm)'.
This reminds me of the stories in the mags where some brother swam crocodile-infested waters to bring the truth to a remote village somewhere. While there, he was severely beaten and yet managed to swim back in time for the next meeting.
Talk about a guilt trip for everyone who didn't want to get up early Saturday and spend the morning out in service!
at this pace its going to take more than a thousand years to make earth a paradise .by my reckoning.. what have the g.b.
been saying about his kingdom reign now that its gone over 100 years ?
and what he has accomplished ?.
They used to say (maybe still do) that Jesus returned invisibly "in that he turned his attention to the affairs of earth."
I remember thinking, "Where was his attention for the past 2000 years? Jupiter?"