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  That's here. That's home. That's us.

  by SixofNine in

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  the photo above was taken by voyager 1 in 1990 as it sailed away from earth, more than 4 billion miles in the distance.

  having completed it primary mission, voyager at that time was on its way out of the solar system, on a trajectory of approximately 32 degrees above the plane of the solar system.

  ground control issued a command for the distant space craft to turn around and, looking back, take photos of each of the planets it had visited.

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  Six,

  You are becoming so introspective and philosophical.

  Steve
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  607 date

  by Cordelia in

  1. watchtower
  2. scandals

  ive just left the jws well got dfed a month ago!

  but family want me back so im trying to prove to myself that it isnt true, top get the strength not to go back,i heard the 607 date may be false, can anyone show me about that, i know exactly what the jws say and cant believe the intial date is wrong, is it?

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  Scholar,

  You have been treated with a bit of intolerance here and I often wondered why. I'm getting the picture and will point out as simply as I can what is wrong.

  In your post above you answered Evilforce's request for "any secular proof of your 607 date" with the reply:

  No problem, The chronology for 607 is calculated simply, Bible -based, and necessary secular evidence.

  1. The arbitary selection of a specifically chosen pivotal date which is 539 based on biblical and secular evidence.

  2. the Return of the Jews under Cyrus in 537 well attested biblically and upon secular evidence

  3. the 70 years of exile-desolation-servitude well attested biblically and secular evidence

  So, simplicity follows; 539 ---537 + 70 = 607

  Each of these events are discussed in Scripture and by the historian Josephus. Points one and two are supported by archaeological evidence and are not of great dispute. The matter of great dispute is the seventy years, its chronology and signifcance. The above is explained simply but I am sure will generate much controversy. So let the Games begin!

  You admit point three, using a biblical prophesy of 70 years of "exile-desolation-servitude" is of "great dispute". Yet you offer no secular evidence nor an ethical justification for deviating from Scholarly or Secular proves but drawing a conclusion based on Theology. Point three is Theology, not scholarly or secular proof.

  Would it not be more fair and honest, in your "simply" scholarly proof, to admit that point three deviates from scholarship?

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  Not an elder anymore?

  by ivy in

  1. social
  2. family

  i just found out from my son that my father is not an elder anymore.

  he has no idea why.

  of course i called home, but no one is there, probably at a meeting.

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  Blondie,

  I was wondering why I was hearing Hotel California when I clicked on this thread. Spooked me.

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  Blondie: You are Appreciated.

  by xjwms in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  i know that blondie spends a lot of time on the wt review.

  she does the best job.

  the reviews are right on.

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  Agree,

  Irreverent,

  Blondie is okay I guess.

  There you go, behaving . . . irreverent.

  Blondie, shave his head while he is sleeping. OH! NEVER MIND.

  Jst2laws
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  Is it better to just LEAVE or FIGHT?

  by ljwtiamb in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  although, i have not been victim to the same level of damage from the wts as many of you on this site, i have noticed that it is very difficult to fight such a large entity with deep pockets and passionate (though misled) supporters.. .

  since i am still in the very early stages of leaving/fading, i wonder:.

  i have already spent the vast majority of my life sacrificially serving the interests of this org.

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  Johnhag,

  Sorry I failed to welcome you on my comments above. I sympathize with your feelings and hope you find friends and support here from others who feel as you do. Hope to hear from you more.

  Jst2laws (Steve)
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  Is it better to just LEAVE or FIGHT?

  by ljwtiamb in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  although, i have not been victim to the same level of damage from the wts as many of you on this site, i have noticed that it is very difficult to fight such a large entity with deep pockets and passionate (though misled) supporters.. .

  since i am still in the very early stages of leaving/fading, i wonder:.

  i have already spent the vast majority of my life sacrificially serving the interests of this org.

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  Hello ljwtiamb

  What would you fight? The Society is a self perpetuating farce that will not go away. At best we outsiders can effect change in some of their most deadly policies, in which we have been successful.

  On the other hand, this web site demonstrates the great need to help confused, hurting, disillusioned JW's survive the exit process. So the question I have asked myself is should I LEAVE and forget it or should I keep in touch enough to support others?

  I think that is the best fight. If you had the power to destroy the WT tomorrow you would have 6 million desperate JW's either leaping into a more harmful cult or contemplating suicide. But if you help inform the public so few are drawn in and expose the WT so more can wake up and walk away you would be doing more to fight them than an outright attack.

  As others have said, only you can decide what is right for you. I tried to leave the JW experience behind but felt compelled to get involved in humanitarian works. I soon realized I can do more helping JW's become XJW's than any other volunteer work I might devote myself to.

  I suggest you leave, help a few others as you leave, and then get on with your life.

  Jst2laws
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  What does your Avatar say about you?

  by jt stumbler in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  this question has most likely been asked before but i must've missed it.

  any hoo, just wondering.

  as for mine, it shows that i am a good for nothing smurf who loves boobies i guess...

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  Although an elder when I started posting I was disgusted with the WT Society's insistence on policy and procedure instead of leaning in faith on the two over-riding laws Jesus suggested, Love God, and Love people. (Mat 23)

  Thus, Jst2laws

  Edited, OOOPs I was commenting on moniker. My avatar is just me, right there on the net looking at YOU reading this now.
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  Did you ever experience Holy Spirit?

  by Ring Wielder in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  i was a jw for 40 years.

  although as an individual/cong/body of elders holy spirirt was prayed for, i cannot think of one moment when i thought..right now i have gods spirit acting upon me.

  it was never described adequately for me to completely understand and i suspect that others felt the same, yet everyone talked as though they knew exactly how it worked.

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  Tetrapod,

  You seem to be a very fair guy. Look forward to more discussions with you, and LittleToe.

  Going to bed now, good nite

  Jst2laws
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  Did you ever experience Holy Spirit?

  by Ring Wielder in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  i was a jw for 40 years.

  although as an individual/cong/body of elders holy spirirt was prayed for, i cannot think of one moment when i thought..right now i have gods spirit acting upon me.

  it was never described adequately for me to completely understand and i suspect that others felt the same, yet everyone talked as though they knew exactly how it worked.

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  Oldsoul,

  What are you doing up so late. Go to bed.

  Jst2laws
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  Did you ever experience Holy Spirit?

  by Ring Wielder in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  i was a jw for 40 years.

  although as an individual/cong/body of elders holy spirirt was prayed for, i cannot think of one moment when i thought..right now i have gods spirit acting upon me.

  it was never described adequately for me to completely understand and i suspect that others felt the same, yet everyone talked as though they knew exactly how it worked.

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  Tetrapod,

  I appreciate you impressive list of references and your reasoning. You and I must talk some day about science as it is my favorite subject lately. I too laugh inside when I observe creationist confusing their conviction by faith with knowledge derived by the scientific method.

  However, this discussion is not about science or its well established way of knowing. The original question was

  Did you ever experience the Holy Spirit

  Science, by its well defined method, cannot experience its facts. Science should only observe, analyze, hypothesize, make prediction, experiment and revise it's theories, but it violates its own process by 'experiencing'. This is a different way of knowing, the intuitive way.

  We did get off a bet from that thought. I'm with you when it comes to discussing facts, evidence and proves. But there is something besides this process that is called the "spiritual". No one has to believe it or prove it. You just EXPERIENCE it.

  Jst2laws