this is not an invitation to start a political debate.
please view this only as reporting on news that the us media so far is ignoring.
rep. conyers has challenged president bush to answer the accusation in what is known as the downing street memo, widely reported in europe.
sixty9,
Why is this still under the radar in the US news?
Well, I'm sure Fox News prefers to ignore it. But the rest may be waiting for the charges in the memo to be validated. They could at least ask for a response from Bush as the petition by Rep. Conyers. Once Conyers brings it to Bush it may force the the media to begin reporting.
Jst2laws
i just got back home from dropping my wife off at the convention this morning.
i took the day off of work so i could celebrate the occasion of freedom from mass-delusional-cult-think-programming.
out on the porch, sun shinning, birds chirping, scotch in one hand, demon haunted world in the other.. as i was driving my wife to the convention grounds, she thanked me for all the help i had provided her in getting ready for the convention, and for driving her.
Richie,
The JW men in security have delusions that they are the WT version of Homeland Security.Like a SWAT team at daycare!
Lol, Having been Attendant Overseer for many years at Circuit Assms and Dist Conventions, I can tell you their sense of self importance exceeds that of the nation's protectors. After all, they are protecting Jehovah's interest, especially those privileged to gaurd the holy alter, the stage. Jst2laws
this is not an invitation to start a political debate.
please view this only as reporting on news that the us media so far is ignoring.
rep. conyers has challenged president bush to answer the accusation in what is known as the downing street memo, widely reported in europe.
This is not an invitation to start a political debate. Please view this only as reporting on news that the US media so far is ignoring. Rep. Conyers has challenged President Bush to answer the accusation in what is known as the Downing Street Memo, widely reported in Europe. A Citizens Petition requesting answers will be delivered, probably today, Friday, when it attains 500,000 signatures. As of this writing it needs only 50,000 more.
While Kerry is already talking of "impeachment" it seems rather premature considering there is little evidence to go by at this time.
Jst2laws
source link http://www.moveonpac.org/tellthetruth/conyersletter.html
there is much discussion here about the bible.
some might see that after hundreds of years of argument and controversy no two people interpret the damn thing exactly the same, and so they have acquired the wisdom to abandon it.
there is a story which goes like this: .
JamesThomas,
All mans inhumanity to man is due to identifying with, supporting and protecting our relative "truths". This creates a conceptual "self" which detaches and divides "me" from all others. Now the door is open, the rational in place, that allows me to kill and harm others. Religions and other social constructs support and reinforce our cherished individual fragility and tininess. Even our god is made into another shard of existence that reflects our own likeness.
I have already shut my mouth on this thread, as I fear I have already been a distraction.
Steve
number 3 son, ben, finished his 3 years at cardiff university today.
to celebrate, he earlier went out with his pals, got well and truly sozzled in several pubs and indulged in the highly dangerous pastime of partaking in a few psycho tequilas!
so how do you imbibe psycho tequilas?
Englishman,
I like your new pic. Good one of you.
As for Ben, maybe you just have to get drunk FIRST.
Steve
although, i have not been victim to the same level of damage from the wts as many of you on this site, i have noticed that it is very difficult to fight such a large entity with deep pockets and passionate (though misled) supporters.. .
since i am still in the very early stages of leaving/fading, i wonder:.
i have already spent the vast majority of my life sacrificially serving the interests of this org.
Dan-O
What's the old saying? Something like 'You can wrestle a pig in the mud, but it just gets you dirty and aggrivates the pig."
Leave. Why fight?
I like that.
Just as a side thought, it would be nice to help others in the pen to appreciate that very thought and maybe help thousands of others just walk out of the pen and leave the pigs in the mud. That would be the ultimate victory over the WT.
Jst2laws
there is much discussion here about the bible.
some might see that after hundreds of years of argument and controversy no two people interpret the damn thing exactly the same, and so they have acquired the wisdom to abandon it.
there is a story which goes like this: .
Hello Jeannie,
To me, the word 'Ultimate' is not reasonable when applied to truth.
You are right, if we are talking about 'truth' in this manifest reality of flesh, the material world. Even Pilot appropriately asked Jesus: "What is truth?"
Leaping to the term "Ultimate" truth most often is talking about stepping beyond this limited PERCEPTION of reality to something far beyond material perceptions. I came to appreciate this from a study of Quantum Physics and it's expose of our limited perception of reality, scientifically.
This "Ultimate" truth transcends our limited debates of truth, doctrine, facts, dogma or rational of religion or even science. It suggest we look to a higher REALITY for truth.
Steve
there is much discussion here about the bible.
some might see that after hundreds of years of argument and controversy no two people interpret the damn thing exactly the same, and so they have acquired the wisdom to abandon it.
there is a story which goes like this: .
LOL,
Six, I love this new you. It seems you have channeled your former angry skepticism into a hilarious sense of humor.
Jst2laws
there is much discussion here about the bible.
some might see that after hundreds of years of argument and controversy no two people interpret the damn thing exactly the same, and so they have acquired the wisdom to abandon it.
there is a story which goes like this: .
Theotherside,
If God is the very essence of Love, anything that teaches Love is of God. I believe God Almighty can only judge based on Love, regardless of religious belief.
Spiritually, I think you have discovered a most elemental truth. LOVE.
Stillajwxelder,
SCIENCE
Science has discovered the 'essence of all things". IT is ENERGY. (E=MC 2) You too have discovered an elemental truth.
Put the thoughts together and you have the the (scientific) Essence of all things, ENERGY combined with the spiritual essence of all things: LOVE
If we look beyond the "mass" of our present reality to the spiritual reality we find (spiritually and scientifically) only ENERGY with a quality, LOVE.
Its all part of a journey. Those ready to peer beyond their childhood concepts do so because they realize their present position is only a stepping stone in the journey, not the end of the journey
jst2laws
