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  Brother Where Art Thou?

  by Smoldering Wick in

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  a quick introduction then on to my 2nd post *smiles*.... general greetings & well wishes.....i'm new to jwd, but not new to xjw/jw chat.

  i'm 36 years old (and yes...i'm wearing a bonnet and a pink outfit in my pic) (that means i'm a chick for all you lusty men)i've spent the last 3.5 years online laughing, crying, generally healing from my watchtower divorce.

  so now that i've let go of all the spit n venom...i sit here worried that my posts will lack the sarcasm and general wicked tone necessary to keep your interest...maybe i should invest in some semi-nude glamour shots?

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  Joyzabel

  Welcome Wick,

  Hope you have fun here. Some of us are still in the healing stages and I'm sure will be of great help.

  Now about your brother......my hubby's at senior post, so it's not one of his sisters. hehe. I'll keep guessing, though.

  j2bf
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  Can I Introduce..'Rummy'...New Poster

  by ISP in

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  yes, i would like to introduce a long standing friend of mine who has stopped attending meetings.

  he missed out on education opportunities because he pioneered at 16. he stopped when he was 24. by then it had taken its toll.

  it had cost him his marriage.. isp

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  Joyzabel

  Welcome to the board, Rummy. Hope you enjoy it as much as I have here. It really helps to talk to others who have been through what you have.

  j2bf
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  Emily is Much better!!!

  by Undecided in

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  thanks for your concern and comments.

  when i first went up to the hospital she was just laying there, and would look at you, then close her eyes again.

  i had to pick up my daughter's kids from school and and a few other erands.

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  Joyzabel

  Wonderful
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  forget it

  by jerome in

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  i would like to ask ew-jws jw a question.

  when you read the book crisis of conscience how instrumental was that book in getting you to leave the organisation.. i have a gf who is an active jw.... i by the way am wordly.

  this religion thing is putting strain on our relationship.. she condems me for obtaining information about the watchtower from apostates or just about anyone who has something yo say about the org.

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  Joyzabel

  Welcome to the board Jerome.

  If your girlfriend will not listen to you state things that she thinks you got from apostates, then there is no way she is going to read a book written by apostates.

  The mind control that the Watchtower Bible & Tract Society has over their people is very strong and doesn't respond to reason.

  Sometimes it is best to help her see the control this organization has over her and other JW's by pointing out unChristlike behavior if she complains about someone or something. Otherwise, her guard will be up to not listen and you won't be able to get through.

  For those jws who already have doubts and concerns over what they have personal seen or experienced, reading COC may have helped those take their blinders off. But the blinders won't come off until the individual themselves are looking for the answers that COC may give.

  j2bf

  sorry, still can't spell, had to fix the errors.
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  Getting past the anger

  by Stealth in

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  i am looking for some assistance or resources on anger mangement.. i have known the truth about the truth for about a year now.. due to reasons of family i don't beleive i can make a 100% break at this time.. i seem to have a major problem getting past the anger.

  i am not an angry person by nature and in the past when i have gotten angry it never lasted very long.. at times i feel that the reason i can't get past the anger is because i have not made a complete break.

  i don't know if this is true since i see many here who have made the break and the anger persists.. if there is anyone here who has experienced this and has found a way to move past the intense feelings of anger without completly breaking from the borg due to family reasons and can offer some advice i would welcome it.. is it possible to get past the anger with one foot still in?

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  Joyzabel

  I feel for you Stealth.

  May I suggest that you use the Internet to look up some info on anger management? I'm sure there are some support groups on the net.

  Maybe try some counseling. Sometimes we can't get past certain thought processes without some outside help.

  I’m still fading and am still going to occasional meetings, but I don’t feel angry towards the local dubs, but at the wtbts. I pity the sheep without a Shepard. The wtbts will get theirs in due time.

  Hope you get some help. Recognizing that you need help is the first step.

  j2bf
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  Amazing's Triumph - Mixed Feelings

  by Perry in

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  amazing wrote:.

  "i was able to get my wife and children out, and this led to my son-in-law and a close friend leaving at the same time.

  so, i am among the more fortunate in that my immediate family, and non-jw friends and relatives were all there with me as i exited.

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  Joyzabel

  Perry,

  I'm writing this time to share with you what my hubby, who had been lurking here for 8 months before I came here, would say to me to help to reason with me about the wtbts' thinking.

  I knew he was spending alot of time on the net. And every so often he would bring up an experience that he thought was unfair. Like someone getting df'd and not being at the JC meeting. Or the thought that you can say you are having doubts about the exitence of God and the elders will help, but to have doubts about the organization and you will be df'd, got me to start thinking about the political structure of the wtbts. Also, he would comment on how really sad and mean it was to treat someone who was df'd and a family member, as some we have seen some do so. Would I do the same to our children, he would ask. He would also start pointing out the gossiping that was going around and ask if that was truly christ-like. Also, as a family we decided to do our own bible reading and not follow the TMS guideline. How smart of him to start in Galatians in the Living Bible.

  I first I was very loyal, a true believer, and then when I really started letting things sink in, it was like the house of cards that fell in. How things really are different now with the blinders off. Things I used to agree with and defend are really such nonsense. But how to get someone's blinder's off, I don't know. I'm trying some of the tatics my hubby used with me with my siblings. But all I can say, it does take time. And everyone here has mentioned alot of good advise on planning ahead, not leaving until a plan is in place. I know that is hard to do, because there are days I just want to shout to everyone I know to wake up to the mind control. Can't they see it too?

  So be patient and use your good intelligence in whatever conversation you have to begin to turn their minds away from the mind control.

  BTW, if you want to read my hubby's old posts, he's jst2laws.

  just trying to help. j2bf
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  Today, is my Aniversary

  by zev in

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  my one year aniversary that is on jwd .

  to each and every one of you who has corresponded with me on threads or in email, even though i haven't been such a good boy in answering right away.

  this is a great place.

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  Joyzabel

  CONGRADULATIONS zev

  I hope this next year will be a lot more relaxing than last year was. You did some great work on the UN thing. Now take some time to heal and enjoy life.

  j2bf
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  Emily is Sick and in the hospital.

  by Undecided in

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  bad news again.

  my little grand daughter has the pneumonia and other viral infections and is very ill and in the hospital.

  this really hurts.

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  Joyzabel

  Sorry to hear that Ken,

  she is such a cutie. It is umbelievable hard when a little one is sick and just laying there under the mist tent. Hopefully she'll bounce back in a couple of days.

  Sorry to hear about the other family member, what a bummer.

  j2bf
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  Amazing's Triumph - Mixed Feelings

  by Perry in

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  amazing wrote:.

  "i was able to get my wife and children out, and this led to my son-in-law and a close friend leaving at the same time.

  so, i am among the more fortunate in that my immediate family, and non-jw friends and relatives were all there with me as i exited.

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  Joyzabel

  Perry, very well thought out post.

  Yes I can easily see that you have “issues” that seem like Amazing has been able to conquer. I sympathize with you.

  Having been slowly fading with my hubby and observing two other elders that stepped down at the same time as he, with wives that do not understand where their husbands are “at”, it is hard to find ways to break the wtbts’ armor. It is very frustrating and makes me anxious to reach my friends. For now all I see is a further chasm developing as the wives turn their backs and close their minds to the thoughts their husbands have been trying so patiently to help them see the “troof”.

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  “But for the life of me, I can't seem to secure an effective weapon, like Amazing did, that has a reasonable chance of success of helping even one family member out.”
  However, with this situation I feel an almost total ineptness at even conceiving how to get started. The enemy appears too strong and my personal arsenal pitiful. However, how can I in good conscience ignore the fight? The odds tell me I'll only end up like the anthropologist in the parable. I would very much like to somehow change those odds.”

  I come to this forum to seek ways to help my friends and family “out”. But there is no magic wand. There is no one thing that will stun another human to see what you see. But I have learned from others here that it takes a lot of patience and love. One poster here was df’d for 6 years, while he wife faithfully attended until she recognized true Christian love and left. So who knows how long it will take for each individual or family. But I have become aware of the grieving process that has started in me due to losing something that I once held as dear (the teachings and community of the wtbts). And the grieving with all its emotions must be hitting you too. Allow yourself time to grieve and to be jealousy over others that seem to have had an easy result talking to their family and friends. I’m sure it wasn’t as easy as we, who are struggling now, think it was. Then do the best you can. If you live your life with happiness and love, that will puzzle most jws as they think there is no happiness outside their organization.

  All I’m trying to say is hang in there. Be patient with yourself. You may have been a success financially, but that doesn’t mean everyone is going to automatically follow the course you are taking now.

  Come and vent here all you want. It might be therapeutic for you and you might find some little “thing” that will help you dent the armor and hopefully get through the wtbts mindset of your family and friends.

  j2bf
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  JEHOVAH APPROVES BLOOD & GIVES PICTURES...

  by hawkaw in

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  jehovah god does allow natural whole blood transfusions.

  and he provides pictures.

  click here and read the this important essay at one of the following locations:.

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  Joyzabel

  Great research Hawk,

  I looked up in one of my old William's Obstetrics (1971) concerning hemolytic disease of the newborn (Rh factor, mainly) that even back then doctors knew that red blood cells crossed the placenta and were amazed that only about 1% of pregnancies resulted in severe hemolytic disease of the newborn. (page 1037)

  Isn't science fun! I love all the advancing technology and "visual proofs" that we can obtain today. I feel there is no limit to what will be in the future for researching medical problems.

  Thank you for sharing your research with us. If only we could simply say to jws, families and friends that we don't have to be experts on this blood issue, straining down to the tiniest fractions and most people not understanding what is being said, but to simply respect life and show love for the life-giver.

  BTW, I usually throw the placentas away when I'm done with a delivery ;-)

  A midwife.