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  Has there, or are there any normal pro-WT members on this forum? As in mentally stable, anybody?

  by miseryloveselders in

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  first off, forgive me if i'm guilty of being judgemental.

  i got my own fair share of mental problems.

  it goes without saying that a bunch of us on this forum are misfits and freaks.

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  TastingFreedom

  respectful_observer, I assume you are part of the councious class, right? You have doubts but feel like you're stuck, right?
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  For those still trapped in the cult, be careful with your sanity

  by TastingFreedom in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  i relate to your pain and suffering.

  you remind me of the struggle i had for over a year, where i was pushing myself to go the meetings and even gave public talks because of friends and family, even when i knew it was all bullshit.

  i was so sick to my stomach, that i literally felt like puking during the meetings.

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  TastingFreedom

  I relate to your pain and suffering. You remind me of the struggle I had for over a year, where I was pushing myself to go the meetings and even gave public talks because of friends and family, even when I knew it was all bullshit. I was so sick to my stomach, that I literally felt like puking during the meetings. But see, that's exactly what the cult programming and the mental triggers do, make you feel guilty and fearful. They want you to believe that your entire world will collapse, and make you believe that you are going to be miserable without them. But the reality is, even if you lose some people (conditional friends), you can make a new life that is decent, and honorable life without them. You will fill the void with other things that may be even better than what you have now. There will be no armageddon; they are simply not god's people, as simple as that!! You are a victim of a cult.
  
  The emotions you are experiencing can be like a volcano, waiting to erupt. There is so much anger and frustration, that it can be dangerous to your health. The sense of loss and the feelings of being stuck or trapped can cause a lot emotions, including anxiety and depression. You need to deal with it, confront it, because it can lead to dangerous ways of coping such as addictive behaviors. The cognitive dissonance can become intolerable and start to affect your overall perspective of life. In advance, I apologize if this sounds too scary, but the implications of being caught in something that you don't want to do, but keep doing it against your will are pretty big. You need to embrace yourself, and find peace within, pursue your life.
  
  The best strategy to get out of a cult is to prepare yourself emotionally, become a person who relies on logic and critical thinking, not so much on emotions (e.g. fear, guilt). Due the best you can in trying to help the closest people that you care about, your wife, give your self time, and define a roadmap out of the cult, set a date as a goal, if you can't reach that goal then I would say start preparing to assume your losses (collateral damage), to pursue the things that are more important to you (e.g. your freedom, your identity). I have found that the help of a professional (e.g. Psychologist) can be a big source of guidance through this process.
  
  You're probably experiencing anticipated separation anxiety just thinking about it, but you will gain the courage once you feel comfortable with new friends, and convince yourself that it's going to be OK. There is light at the end of the tunnel. Good luck in your journey to freedom!
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  Video of Public Talk

  by Pig in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  for those interested in jehovahs witnesses or those wanting to return to the kindom hall, this video is to give you a realistic look at what goes on at the meetings.

  enjoy.

  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qxmjm0muvvs.

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  TastingFreedom

  This is hillarious... sharing it in facebook. They will enjoy it and will get an idea of what hell we lived through!
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  I WAS CAUGHT emailing a pdf copy of the New Elders Book

  by Smoky in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  i sent a .pdf to a few friends and one of them betrayed me and forward it to a elder i know, along with the emails of the recipients.

  i cant believe i was so naive to think that i can trust someone..stupid.

  i have not talked to the "benedict arnold" yet, but hopefully soon.

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  TastingFreedom

  First of all when you send emails like that you want to add the recipients in the BCC line, so that nobody knows who else it's going to.

  Second, witnesses are never trustworthy... EVER!!! The guilt and the programming will kick in, no one is above the law.

  Sorry to hear what's happened. Unfortunately I'm afraid that you are in deep shit. Not sure what legitimate excuse you can give for having a PDF.

  I would probably just DA if they try to make a Judicial Committee!!
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  Are you afraid of the Ouija board still?

  by cyberjesus in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  do you think it has superpowers?

  who controlls it?

  satan?

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  TastingFreedom

  it was fun watching the video, so i take it nothing strange has happened yet. Good luck with your devilish games. i'm glad you're having fun with your sexy witch.

  cyberJesus, you're welcome to come to my house for my Halloween party. My sexy witch is also ready to read your future with the domino and coffee leftover.
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  Met Randy Watters

  by xelder in

  1. jw
  2. experiences

  so last week, i was in la.. i had e-mailed randy...then called and he invited me over.

  we got to chat for a couple hours and it was a great time....i want to meet more of you.

  i'm santa barbara, ca area.

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  TastingFreedom

  I'm in the Pasadena area, if you are in the area and want to meet, let me know (PM me)
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  DMCA Complaint from The WatchTower for links to KS-10 'Shepherding' book

  by Simon in

  1. forum
  2. announcements

  yes, that's right, they really do not like people being able to read that book so they wanted links to it removed (it appears they have also been going after the hosts of the content itself as well).. unfortunately, i had to removed the links (which were dead anyway when i checked) and i'd ask that people don't re-post them (sorry).

  i'm sure there are lots of alternative ways for those with the information to get it to those who need it.. here are the discussions on the book:.

  http://www.jehovahs-witness.net/watchtower/beliefs/200524/1/ks10-chapter-one-discussion.

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  TastingFreedom

  EggNogg, I don't know your track record on this site, but based on your posts in this thread, you give the impression of being a loyal Watchtower soldier, trying to infuse fear around here!

  There are laws in this country protecting copyrights and property but we also have rights and a constitution that protects our civil rights. Those rights don't go away just because some publisher corporation wants to intimidate us. I think Sheperd has refuted your fear mongering very cleverly!
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  DMCA Complaint from The WatchTower for links to KS-10 'Shepherding' book

  by Simon in

  1. forum
  2. announcements

  yes, that's right, they really do not like people being able to read that book so they wanted links to it removed (it appears they have also been going after the hosts of the content itself as well).. unfortunately, i had to removed the links (which were dead anyway when i checked) and i'd ask that people don't re-post them (sorry).

  i'm sure there are lots of alternative ways for those with the information to get it to those who need it.. here are the discussions on the book:.

  http://www.jehovahs-witness.net/watchtower/beliefs/200524/1/ks10-chapter-one-discussion.

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  TastingFreedom

  It seems the Watchtower has lost control of the situation and now the book is all over the place. The secrecy of this cult is being divulged to the world.

  How come the News media cannot cite it?
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  What is "Brazen" conduct according to new 'Shepherd the Flock of God' book

  by TastingFreedom in

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  2. friends

  what is brazen conduct according to the watchtower?.

  here are some references from the new flock book:.

  they have really pushed the envelope to bundle a bunch of things into one really evil word.

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  TastingFreedom

  You can't stay over night with anybody, except yourself and your wife. If you do stay over at bottleofwater's house you are just like a child abuser.... according to the Borg (CULT)

  You have brazen conduct for talking to us here... geeee.......We are so evil according to them!
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  What is "Brazen" conduct according to new 'Shepherd the Flock of God' book

  by TastingFreedom in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  what is brazen conduct according to the watchtower?.

  here are some references from the new flock book:.

  they have really pushed the envelope to bundle a bunch of things into one really evil word.

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  TastingFreedom

  What is brazen conduct according to the Watchtower?

  Here are some references from the new Flock book:

  They have really pushed the envelope to bundle a bunch of things into one really evil word. Demonize some things and compare them to child abuse......Good stragedy to demonize actions like associating with DF'ed friends.

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  9. Brazen conduct, loose conduct : (Gal. 5:19)
  The Greek word translated "brazen conduct," or
  "loose conduct," is a·sel'gei·a. Strong's Greek Dictionary
  uses very forceful terms to define it: "licentiousness;
  filth[iness], lasciviousness, wantonness." The
  New Thayer's Greek English Lexicon adds to the list
  "unbridled lust, ... outrageousness, shamelessness,
  insolence." Another lexicon defines a·sel'gei·a as conduct
  that "violates all bounds of what is socially acceptable."
  Rather than relating to bad conduct of a
  somewhat petty or minor nature, "brazen conduct"
  describes acts that reflect an attitude that betrays disrespect,
  disregard, or even contempt for divine standards,
  laws, and authority. Therefore, two elements
  are involved in brazen conduct: (1) The conduct itself
  is a serious violation ofJehovah's laws, and (2) the attitude
  of the wrongdoer toward God's laws is disrespectful,
  insolent.-w06 7/15 p. 30; w83 3/15 p. 31;
  w73 pp. 574-576.
  10. Though this is not an exhaustive list, brazen
  conduct may be involved in the following if the
  wrongdoer has an insolent, contemptuous attitude
  made evident by a practice of these things:
  • Willful, continued, unnecessary association
  with disfellowshipped nonrelatives despite
  repeated counsel.-Matt. 18:17b; 1 Cor. 5:11, 13;2 John 10, 11; w81 9/15 pp. 25-26.
  • Child sexual abuse: This would include fondling
  of breasts, an explicitly immoral proposal,
  showing pornography to a child, voyeurism, indecent
  exposure, and so forth.
  • Continuing to date or pursue a romantic
  relationship with a person though not legally
  or Scripturally free to marry, despite repeated
  counsel and generally after a warning
  talk to the congregation.-Gal. 5:19; 2 Thess. 3:6,
  14, 15.
  
  11. Evidence (testified to by at least two witnesses)
  that the accused stayed all night in the
  same house with a person of the opposite sex
  (or in the same house with a known homosexual)
  under improper circumstances.- If questions
  are raised regarding Scriptural freedom to remarry,
  see 12:12.
  • Elders should use good judgment in assessing
  the situation before forming a judicial
  committee. Were the two persons alone together
  all night? Is there evidence of a romantic
  relationship? Are there understandable reasons,
  such as an unexpected emergency, that caused
  the situation?
  • If there are no extenuating circumstances, a judicial
  committee would be formed on the basis
  of strong circumstantial evidence of por·neí'a.
  • Depending upon the attitude of the accused,
  there might even be evidence of brazen conduct.
  
  
  Consider other examples:
  • A married brother spends an inordinate amount
  of time with his female secretary after work
  hours but insists there is no romantic interest.
  His concerned wife informs the elders, who give
  him strong counsel. Later, when he claims to
  be leaving overnight for a "business trip," his
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  suspicious wife and a relative follow him to the
  secretary' s home. They observe the secretary invite
  him inside at 10 p.m. and continue watching
  all night until he leaves the home at 7 a.m.
  When the elders speak to him, he admits that
  he spent the night alone with his secretary, but
  he denies that he committed adultery. In such a
  case, the elders have a basis to take judicial action
  because there is strong circumstantial evidence
  of por·neía and there may be elements
  of brazen conduct. The innocent mate's conscience
  may allow her to choose to divorce him
  and remarry; the elders would not take action
  against her for making this decision.
  
  
  page 64
  Other examples cited:
  An entrenched practice of viewing, perhaps
  for years, abhorrent forms of pornography
  that is sexually degrading. Such pornography
  may include sadistic torture, bondage,
  gang rape, the brutalizing of women, or child
  pornography. Brazen conduct would be involved
  if the offender was promoting such material,
  such as by inviting others to view it, thus
  giving evidence of a brazen attitude.-w06 7/15
  p.31.