What is "Brazen" conduct according to new 'Shepherd the Flock of God' book

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  • TastingFreedom
    TastingFreedom

    What is brazen conduct according to the Watchtower?

    Here are some references from the new Flock book:

    They have really pushed the envelope to bundle a bunch of things into one really evil word. Demonize some things and compare them to child abuse......Good stragedy to demonize actions like associating with DF'ed friends.

    page 60

    9. Brazen conduct, loose conduct : (Gal. 5:19)
    The Greek word translated "brazen conduct," or
    "loose conduct," is a·sel'gei·a. Strong's Greek Dictionary
    uses very forceful terms to define it: "licentiousness;
    filth[iness], lasciviousness, wantonness." The
    New Thayer's Greek English Lexicon adds to the list
    "unbridled lust, ... outrageousness, shamelessness,
    insolence." Another lexicon defines a·sel'gei·a as conduct
    that "violates all bounds of what is socially acceptable."
    Rather than relating to bad conduct of a
    somewhat petty or minor nature, "brazen conduct"
    describes acts that reflect an attitude that betrays disrespect,
    disregard, or even contempt for divine standards,
    laws, and authority. Therefore, two elements
    are involved in brazen conduct: (1) The conduct itself
    is a serious violation ofJehovah's laws, and (2) the attitude
    of the wrongdoer toward God's laws is disrespectful,
    insolent.-w06 7/15 p. 30; w83 3/15 p. 31;
    w73 pp. 574-576.
    10. Though this is not an exhaustive list, brazen
    conduct may be involved in the following if the
    wrongdoer has an insolent, contemptuous attitude
    made evident by a practice of these things:
    • Willful, continued, unnecessary association
    with disfellowshipped nonrelatives despite
    repeated counsel.-Matt. 18:17b; 1 Cor. 5:11, 13;
    2 John 10, 11; w81 9/15 pp. 25-26.
    • Child sexual abuse: This would include fondling
    of breasts, an explicitly immoral proposal,
    showing pornography to a child, voyeurism, indecent
    exposure, and so forth.
    • Continuing to date or pursue a romantic
    relationship with a person though not legally
    or Scripturally free to marry, despite repeated
    counsel and generally after a warning
    talk to the congregation.-Gal. 5:19; 2 Thess. 3:6,
    14, 15.

    11. Evidence (testified to by at least two witnesses)
    that the accused stayed all night in the
    same house with a person of the opposite sex
    (or in the same house with a known homosexual)
    under improper circumstances.- If questions
    are raised regarding Scriptural freedom to remarry,
    see 12:12.
    • Elders should use good judgment in assessing
    the situation before forming a judicial
    committee. Were the two persons alone together
    all night? Is there evidence of a romantic
    relationship? Are there understandable reasons,
    such as an unexpected emergency, that caused
    the situation?
    • If there are no extenuating circumstances, a judicial
    committee would be formed on the basis
    of strong circumstantial evidence of por·neí'a.
    • Depending upon the attitude of the accused,
    there might even be evidence of brazen conduct.


    Consider other examples:
    • A married brother spends an inordinate amount
    of time with his female secretary after work
    hours but insists there is no romantic interest.
    His concerned wife informs the elders, who give
    him strong counsel. Later, when he claims to
    be leaving overnight for a "business trip," his
    Page 62
    suspicious wife and a relative follow him to the
    secretary' s home. They observe the secretary invite
    him inside at 10 p.m. and continue watching
    all night until he leaves the home at 7 a.m.
    When the elders speak to him, he admits that
    he spent the night alone with his secretary, but
    he denies that he committed adultery. In such a
    case, the elders have a basis to take judicial action
    because there is strong circumstantial evidence
    of por·neía and there may be elements
    of brazen conduct. The innocent mate's conscience
    may allow her to choose to divorce him
    and remarry; the elders would not take action
    against her for making this decision.


    page 64
    Other examples cited:
    An entrenched practice of viewing, perhaps
    for years, abhorrent forms of pornography
    that is sexually degrading. Such pornography
    may include sadistic torture, bondage,
    gang rape, the brutalizing of women, or child
    pornography. Brazen conduct would be involved
    if the offender was promoting such material,
    such as by inviting others to view it, thus
    giving evidence of a brazen attitude.-w06 7/15
    p.31.

  • brotherdan
    brotherdan

    I guess I can't stay the night at bottleofwater's house!

  • TastingFreedom
    TastingFreedom

    You can't stay over night with anybody, except yourself and your wife. If you do stay over at bottleofwater's house you are just like a child abuser.... according to the Borg (CULT)

    You have brazen conduct for talking to us here... geeee.......We are so evil according to them!

  • dinah
    dinah

    I got df'd because people were saying it looked like I was getting fuck. Yeah I did----8 months after I got df'd. Married the a**hole a year later--because it was the right thing to do. I mean we were having sex, right?? WRONG!!! Took me 5 years to figure that one out. Of course he was "worldly" so I should have expected to get the sh*t beat of me.

    There logic makes no sense.

  • VM44
    VM44

    Wasn't Samson guilty of "brazen conduct"?

  • FlyingHighNow
    FlyingHighNow
    (or in the same house with a known homosexual)
    under improper circumstances.-

    OMG! *Shaking my head*

    page 64
    Other examples cited:
    An entrenched practice of viewing, perhaps
    for years, abhorrent forms of pornography
    that is sexually degrading.
    Such pornography
    may include sadistic torture, bondage,
    gang rape, the brutalizing of women, or child
    pornography. Brazen conduct would be involved
    if the offender was promoting such material,
    such as by inviting others to view it, thus
    giving evidence of a brazen attitude.-w06 7/15
    p.31.

    Oh well then I guess it's probably okay to look at Playboy.

  • maninthemiddle
    maninthemiddle

    FHN, I also thought that was intersting, it clearly says abbhorent pornographgy.

    so non- sadistic torture, non-bondage,
    non-gang rape, non- brutalizing should be fine!

  • AllTimeJeff
    AllTimeJeff

    The GB controls their own little universe. They don't have to call it "loose conduct" or "brazen conduct". They can call it whatever they want. But here is why they changed the term.

    The "anonymous" NWT committee (made up of Fred Franz, George Gangas, and a staff of go-fers) originally translated the term "loose conduct" in the 1940's. They did this by their own rule of assigning one english word to one greek work whenever possible.

    Fast forward to the 1990's. Sex issues have always been prosecuted severely, esp loose conduct. But its "loose". It can be tightened. It is redeemable. When bodies of elders were started in the 1970's, few were loving. Many were strict and dictatorial. It was necesarry to get elders to lighten up. Any one who has ever been an elder and have read the letters the Service Dept sent to BOE's can see that tone.

    In the 1980's, pedophiles started to really pop. The 90's with the internet brought easy to access to porn. What do you call it? Loose conduct. Conduct that can be tightened. Conduct that can be forgiven. Conduct that can even be ignored. Because its loose.

    But if its brazen?!! Thats different.

    The GB wants to tighten control. They figured out that psychologically, elders who deal with the flock who are involved in pedophilia, or porn, or hanging out with DF'd relatives will be less likely to be strict if it is loose.

    But if its brazen, thats different. Thats evil. Elders will disfellowship more if they are trained to view the sins as evil.

    What changed? Nothing. They just took a word that sounded more criminal, and are in the middle of attaching all those old loose conduct "sins" to a new word, that changes these acts from acts of weakness to acts of evil.

    Brazen = evil. Loose = weakness.

    We are witnessing one of the grand GB traditions, their genius with semantics. They control the words, they control the definitions, and thus, they control people.

  • WTWizard
    WTWizard

    Ultimately, they are going to decide that, if someone in the congregation tells you to do something and you refuse to do it, it is "brazen conduct". For instance, some dingbat insists that you have to use Head & Shoulders regular 2 in 1 shampoo in the 14.2 oz bottle. You have bottles of VO5 shampoo you bought (it works as well, and is much cheaper). This idiot tells you that you "need" to get rid of the VO5 and get the correct bottle of Head & Shoulders. So, you go and find the 25 oz bottle of Head & Shoulders is on sale, so you buy that. A day later, the dingbat returns and sees you got the correct product in the wrong size, and decides that this amounts to "brazen conduct". Such is reported to the hounders, and you get in for a judicial hearing for "brazen conduct".

  • bobld
    bobld

    They are building KH with an extra room with a rack,whips etc.They will make the inquisition of the 12th century look like childs play.

    B

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