i could do with some help to sort out this fraction muddle .we are inactive and of the conscious class , but trying to help others see the 'light' in whatever ways we can .. a couple of years ago , i asked an elder about the fractions , questioning particularly the 33% hemoglobin allowed in the 06 km insert .
when i was a wee girl growing up , nothing of any part was allowed and we were fanatical to even write manufacturers and question their ingredients !!.
i would like to have a list of allowable fractions according to the societies current light , and also what fractions are not allowed .
Thanks everyone for all your replies . I can see it has always been a total muddle lol . No wonder many JWs have such great difficulty to fill in the forms and just leave it , or fill in no fractions and place themselves in such danger .Thank goodness , that so many are awakening and seeing the real truth thanks to the internet .
Leo 999
i could do with some help to sort out this fraction muddle .we are inactive and of the conscious class , but trying to help others see the 'light' in whatever ways we can .. a couple of years ago , i asked an elder about the fractions , questioning particularly the 33% hemoglobin allowed in the 06 km insert .
when i was a wee girl growing up , nothing of any part was allowed and we were fanatical to even write manufacturers and question their ingredients !!.
i would like to have a list of allowable fractions according to the societies current light , and also what fractions are not allowed .
I could do with some help to sort out this fraction muddle .We are inactive and of the conscious class , but trying to help others see the 'light' in whatever ways we can .
A couple of years ago , I asked an elder about the fractions , questioning particularly the 33% hemoglobin allowed in the 06 KM insert . When I was a wee girl growing up , nothing of any part was allowed and we were fanatical to even write manufacturers and question their ingredients !!
I would like to have a list of allowable fractions according to the societies current light , and also what fractions are NOT allowed . It seems to be that when the water is taken out , there is only the fractions left , so would like to really clarify this , with their info . The whole thing seems to be ludicrous .
Of course the elder had no reply to my question , just gave me a list of CD rom pages to look up , and it doesnt explain it .
I do know that the whole thing is crazy , but wish to know to be able to help people wake up and think !!
Thanks ,
Leo
ok , im 9 months into a serious fade , inactive in fm and very spasmodic at meetings .
mum and bro the elder came by to deliver the mags to me now , and yesterday showed the very interesting article on the tetragramaton .
i refused to take them and told him to put them on the table .
Ok , Im 9 months into a serious fade , inactive in FM and very spasmodic at meetings . Mum and bro the elder came by to deliver the mags to me now , and yesterday showed the very interesting article on the tetragramaton . I refused to take them and told him to put them on the table . But it was weird , like he was witnessing to me .
So my big want to know is ,,,, im 7/8 out , how to get the last 1/8 th out without upsetting family members or being DF or DA'd . They cling on like glue, and it is this last bit that is driving me mad .Part of me wants to come right out and say , the other family part holds back to avoid hurt and upset . If I do go to a meeting , I feel panicky and sweaty and just want to run and escape . But any ideas to get them tactfully to give up without hurting feelings ???
Leo999
...is when people ask why i wasn't there.
usually i tell them, that i was sick, or not feeling well, which for the most part is true.
what is irritating is when someone presses it, especially someone you are closer with in the congregation.
Oh I get this a lot too , and usually say ...Ive missed you too , please do come by and visit us whenever you want ....we are always there .
Somehow they never do :) The rumour must have got around that we are verging on apostate .
Leo999
hi , this is a part of an email sent by my bro to a 'friend ' the ' friend ' needs some help in pulling his arguments apart .
any takers ?
:)) btw , the 'friend' is a pretend bible study , ex catholic :)).
Thanks every one , some really good points and some I didnt think of before . i will be sure to pass this on to my helpful friend :)
Leo 999
hi , this is a part of an email sent by my bro to a 'friend ' the ' friend ' needs some help in pulling his arguments apart .
any takers ?
:)) btw , the 'friend' is a pretend bible study , ex catholic :)).
Hi Black Sheep ,
This was the question .
Thanks for info about 144,000. I know you'll know more about it because you are one of the elders. Im still looking into it, but its difficult to see things a different way when you've been taught something else for so long. Revelation is one of the books I never read..so no wonder Ive never seen it before..lol. Its a book or symbols isnt it? Does that mean the number is a symbol too? I am wondering why there would only be such a small number that would go to heaven out of all the people who have ever lived. Can I ask you...( here I go again)....about the number? Its to help me get it clearer in my mind. The lady that comes to me said that there are only a small amount of people who take the bread and wine because they have this feeling inside that they just know for definite they will go to heaven. I can sort of understand this. I always felt that I would go to heaven myself. But what I dont really understand is why no-one else eats it. I was taught in the Chapel that Jesus died for all of the world and we should all have communion. I spent ages trying to find a verse that I read. Im not good at remembering. I got it eventually though. Its in the gospels in Lukes book. its ch6 vs53-54.
I looked it up in the Jehovahs witness bible and Jesus said that..unless you eat the flesh of the son of man and drink his blood you have no life in yourselves. He that feeds on my flesh and drinks my blood has everlasting life and I shall resurrect him at the last day.
Does that mean that everyone should take it?.... because Jesus used the word 'unless'? He was talking about people he would resurrect. The sister told me this is what you believe, that people who die will be resurrected back on to the earth if they die. So were these people to take the communion too and not just the ones who will go to heaven?
hi , this is a part of an email sent by my bro to a 'friend ' the ' friend ' needs some help in pulling his arguments apart .
any takers ?
:)) btw , the 'friend' is a pretend bible study , ex catholic :)).
Hi , this is a part of an email sent by my bro to a 'friend ' The ' friend ' needs some help in pulling his arguments apart . Any takers ? :)) Btw , the 'friend' is a pretend Bible study , ex catholic :))
Thanks
Leo999
You still ask about the 144000 J . So I was doing some research for you, and trying to think of some things to tell you, just now, while it was fresh in my mind. - I can understand that all this is a bit new for you, and different to Christendom’s ideas.
To understand better I always like to look at the timeline. I think you accept that the first person to go to heaven was Jesus because no scriptures from the Old Testament talked about heavenly life. So that means that the concept was new to Jesus early disciples. Remember about Lazarus, -how he was dead 3 days, Mary said I know he will rise in the resurrection on the last day. (So for him resurrection wasn’t automatic. -to contrast with the ideas of Christendom- the ‘immortal soul’ idea -that you can’t die.) Lazarus did die; -so why didn’t he go to heaven then? , And why didn’t Jesus say that he had gone to heaven (as he was a good man). The answer is because Jesus hadn’t yet died as ‘first fruits’ from the dead. -So heaven isn’t automatic for all good people (as Christendom says). And only those who died after Jesus could go to heaven.
As for the verses in John (6:52-71) -the question is, whom was he actually talking to? The disciples believed in what Jesus said -but the rest went off stumbled at what he said. (Vs. 70 says “I chose 12…” -so clearly many there present actually weren’t chosen to receive the heavenly calling -but apparently only the 12. So heaven wasn’t automatic for all. So the point is that Jesus was in reality only speaking to his true disciples, -not to the people in general, -both the crowd then, and millions in Christendom today. .
But many in Christendom have clung to this idea, -without qualifying in their lifestyles, to qualify to actually gain that privilege. (EG. Do the people engaging in wars, etc, and all the other evil things done today in society, actually think they really going to go to heaven?? When God condemns these sorts of things. (1 Cor6: 9-11) Hardly!)- Yet 1 billion people take (or should take) communion!
Did the sister refer to the ‘Reasoning’ book? -Just to quote a point …(around p166)
Matt. 25:31-33, 40, 46: “When the Son of man arrives in his glory, and all the angels with him, then he will sit down on his glorious throne. And all the nations will be gathered before him, and he will separate people one from another, just as a shepherd separates the sheep from the goats. And he will put the sheep on his right hand, but the goats on his left. . . . The king will say to them [the sheep], ‘Truly I say to you, To the extent that you did it to one of the least of these my brothers, you did it to me.’ And [the goats] will depart into everlasting cutting-off, but the righteous ones [the sheep] into everlasting life.” (Notice that these “sheep” are not the same as the King’s brothers, who are “partakers of the heavenly calling.” [Heb. 2:10–3:1]
But these sheep like ones would be alive during the time that Christ was on his throne and during the time when some of his “brothers” would still be experiencing hardship on earth.)
As for the number being literal … Is thenumber144,000merelysymbolic?
The answer is indicated by the fact that, after mention of the definite number 144,000, Revelation 7:9 refers to “a great crowd, which no man was able to number.” If the number 144,000 were not literal it would lack meaning as a contrast to the “great crowd.” Viewing the number as literal agrees with Jesus’ statement at Matthew 22:14 regarding the Kingdom of the heavens: “There are many invited, but few chosen.”
Do thoseofthe“greatcrowd”referredtoatRevelation7:9, 10 alsogotoheaven?
Revelation does not say of them, as it does of the 144,000, that they are “bought from the earth” to be with Christ on heavenly Mount Zion.—Rev. 14:1-3.
The description of them as “standing before the throne and before the Lamb” indicates, not necessarily a location, but an approved condition. (Compare Revelation 6:17; Luke 21:36.) The expression “before the throne” (Greek, e·no´pi·ontouthro´nou; literally, “in sight of the throne”) does not require that they be in heaven. Their position is simply “in sight” of God, who tells us that from heaven he beholds the sons of men.—Ps. 11:4; compare Matthew 25:31-33; Luke 1:74, 75; Acts 10:33.
Rev. 20:6: “They will be priests of God and of the Christ, and will rule as kings with him for the thousand years.” (Also Daniel 7:27)
1 Cor. 6:2: “Do you not know that the holy ones will judge the world?”
Rev. 5:10: “You made them to be a kingdom and priests to our God, and they are to rule as kings over [“on,” RS,KJ,Dy; “over,” AT,Da,Kx,CC] the earth.” (The same Greek word and grammatical structure is found at Revelation 11:6. There RS,KJ,Dy, etc., all render it “over.”)
I just cut and paste the above from that book, to help you. This seems to be the bit that is relevant, but the whole book, is excellent to cover these deep points. J I hope I have sort of covered most of your points. Some of this will fit together in your mind better, later on as more of the fundamental truths get clearer in your mind, -even if you cant fully grasp all of these details right now. Remember that Jesus disciples often, at the time, didn’t understand all what Jesus was saying, but later on did
i'm trying to compare some statistics and figures on this to share later in the thread to see if more long-time witnesses are exiting- or are newer witnesses exiting after a shorter period of time.
and - are more people exiting in the last 10 to 15 years than before.
so your answers would be helpful in looking into this .
Virtually born in , baptized 71 , active until last year .Missed the Memorial this year , first time in 50 years .Now inactive and only the very occasional meeting to please family still in.
Leo999
hi all ,.
is there anyone else at all , apart from the wt that does believe that jerusalem was destroyed in 607 bce , or are they totally all alone in this ?.
leo999.
Hi all ,
Is there anyone else at all , apart from the WT that does believe that Jerusalem was destroyed in 607 BCE , or are they totally all alone in this ?
Leo999
...and i think it's starting to show.. i started a thread the other day about being hounded after several years of having successfully(?
) faded.
i've been taken aback a bit the recent developments but i'm making a new strategy...one that depends more on sticking to my guns and laying the cards on the table.
This is a great subject , many faders here and inactive also . How long do they keep publisher records for , if someone is inactive totally ? I havent done any FS for 6 months and hubby for 9 months . Is there any way to get them to get rid of the cards or are they stored in the secretaries files forever ? My son decided a while back not to come anymore and moved to a nearby town , and the COBOE wanted to make an announcement he was no longer a publisher . Is this normal practice ? Or a threat to keep others putting in their time slips and will it happen to us as we are 'inactive ' now ?
