The key to Vin Toole's comment -- and thinking -- is his statement that "Baptised members who drift away are not treated badly." Like all JWs who practise doublethink, he thinks that if people leave, they should go quietly, hiding their change in outlook and telling no one of their complaints about the religion; then they'll be left in peace. To them, shunning is reserved for the trouble-makers who tell lies about the religion or try to induce others to follow them.
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Shunning a myth says jw spokesman
by doofdaddy inhttp://www.theage.com.au/national/jehovahs-witnesses-a-cruel-cult-20130315-2g5x3.htmlit's hotting up in australia regarding cults, especially tax free like jws but how is the response of vin toole (the australian wts legal mouth piece) regarding shunning!.
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Shunning a myth says jw spokesman
by doofdaddy inhttp://www.theage.com.au/national/jehovahs-witnesses-a-cruel-cult-20130315-2g5x3.htmlit's hotting up in australia regarding cults, especially tax free like jws but how is the response of vin toole (the australian wts legal mouth piece) regarding shunning!.
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The "Slamming the door on Jehovah" is currently the 5th most popular article at The Age online, with almost 14,000 views.
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New YouTube video - Anthony Morris warns us against the horrors of higher education
by cedars inhttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jzcneuuajvg.
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More lies and distortions. "That's ridiculous! We're not against education!" (After which he proceeds to prove they are against education).
The sort of reasoning employed by a brother I once witnessed with. An old guy watched us stroll down his driveway and said, "If you're here to talk about religion, I'm not interested!" The brother said, "No, we're not here for that" and proceeded to open the Bible and start his "topic for converation". The guy got very impatient and asked us to leave.
I said to the brother as we left, "Uh, why did you tell him we weren't there to talk about religion?" He said, "It's not about religion. It's about the Bible."
These sorts of warnings are given by an organization that knows nothing about the thing they're warning against. In the '80s elders and COs used to give dire warnings about going to gyms because they said everyone just goes there to look at themselves in big mirrors.
Thanks for the vid. What a sickening lecture.
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JW Elder Talks About the Aurora Victims - This is Quite Sick
by God_Delusion inhi guys & gals,.
the news about the aurora victims has spread worldwide and even in tiny cyprus do our hearts go out to the victims families.. .
unfortunately, the watchtower society doesn't see it that way.. .
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Sick, sick sick. Once again it's a self-congratuatory, self-validating statement that proves that:
1. The rest of the world is evil.
2. Everyone who died deserved it because why the hell would anyone be watching a movie at midnight anyway?
Rotten bastards. It is truy sick that these people gain comfort and satisfaction from the suffering of others. Love for neighbour? Bullshit. They despise them. No, they envy them.
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Yomax--God's Kingdom of a Thousand Years Has Approached-PDF!
by Atlantis inyour post seems to be locked or i would have included this link there.
but anyway:.
1973, god's kingdom of a thousand years has approached-pdf http://www.sendspace.com/file/cut1wo atlantis
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Hi y'all,
Does anyone have a new link for a download of this book? Keen to get a hold of it.
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Be Honest---Describe your most prevalent feeling as a witness in ONE WORD!
by MsGrowingGirl20 inlets's go!!.
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Why do JWs think God would kill these people?
by MrMonroe inthis article from the guardian is one of the most harrowing pieces of journalism i have read in a long, long time.
north koreans raised like rats in a cage, forced to work seven days a week, scavenge for food in cow manure, inform on family members to gain a tiny increase in their rations, tortured, starved, degraded .... which raises two big questions.. 1. why do jehovah's witnesses believe that these people would die at armageddon because they have not joined them in "god's organization"?
how can jehovah's witnesses think god would be so legalistic, so small-minded, that he would deprive those people of life in a peaceful paradise ... just because no brother in a shirt and tie has ever knocked on the door of their barracks and offered them a chance for a bible study?
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Blondie, thanks for those references. I remember reading, or hearing, many years ago about the Witness concept of community responsibility. The 1952 WT article just terrible. So some races are just beyond redemption, apparently. Has the society ever retracted that view? No.
Not long after leaving the Witnesses I met a lovely woman living in the same suburb as me who, along with her husband, was disfellowshipped by the society after fading from her congregation, moving interstate and settling quietly into a new home. She had made no attempt to contact any Witnesses in her new city, so was therefore in any way a spiritual threat to any Witnesses locally. Yet they pursued the couple and told them they needed to appear before a JC. They ignored it and were later told the JC had (naturally) decided they were apostates.
She somehow encountered a book called Life and Death in Shanghai, by Nien Cheng, which she later lent to me. The similarities between life in a tightly controlled, repressive community watched over by Red Guards, constantly fearing being reported to the authorities by her neighbours for any individual thought, forced to recite slogans, hate those the rulers decide are enemies, and unquestionably accept the teachings of the leaders ... and life as a JW are far to striking to ignore. Yet those Chinese had no religious views. They were not part of Babylon the Great. They were in every way victims of a repressive regime, utterly powerless, just the sort of people the Bible says Jesus came to earth to save. Yet they, too, are deemed by smug and arrogant JWs to be like vermin to be destroyed at Armageddon because they haven't accepted a Bible study from .... well, no one, because God has no representatives of his organization in that country. Too bad for them, I guess.
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Why do JWs think God would kill these people?
by MrMonroe inthis article from the guardian is one of the most harrowing pieces of journalism i have read in a long, long time.
north koreans raised like rats in a cage, forced to work seven days a week, scavenge for food in cow manure, inform on family members to gain a tiny increase in their rations, tortured, starved, degraded .... which raises two big questions.. 1. why do jehovah's witnesses believe that these people would die at armageddon because they have not joined them in "god's organization"?
how can jehovah's witnesses think god would be so legalistic, so small-minded, that he would deprive those people of life in a peaceful paradise ... just because no brother in a shirt and tie has ever knocked on the door of their barracks and offered them a chance for a bible study?
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This article from The Guardian is one of the most harrowing pieces of journalism I have read in a long, long time. North Koreans raised like rats in a cage, forced to work seven days a week, scavenge for food in cow manure, inform on family members to gain a tiny increase in their rations, tortured, starved, degraded .... which raises two big questions.
1. Why do Jehovah's Witnesses believe that these people would die at Armageddon because they have not joined them in "God's organization"? How can Jehovah's Witnesses think God would be so legalistic, so small-minded, that he would deprive those people of life in a peaceful paradise ... just because no brother in a shirt and tie has ever knocked on the door of their barracks and offered them a chance for a Bible study? If JWs who trudge grumpily around urban neighbourhoods offering Watchtowers are held blood-guilty for never contacting these prisoners, then what Witness stands a chance of surviving Armageddon?
2. And if God sees all suffering, sees every sparrow fall to the ground, why does he do nothing to end the misery of these people who are prisoners for life without hope of normal human existence, no chance of love or happiness? How could he sit by and think, "Yeaaah, this will teach them that Adam shouldn't have listened to Satan!"
It makes no sense, and the JW doctrine of salvation only to baptised Witnesses is as arrogant and cold-hearted as it's possible to be.
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Something I never realized or thought of before: Discreet vs Discrete
by poopsiecakes inso my whole life i heard the phrase 'faithful and discrete slave' and never paid attention to the real meaning of "discrete".
which is weird, because i'm a bit of a word junkie.
i guess the familiarity of the expression made me mentally gloss over it somehow.
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Early books and magazines referred to the "faithful and wise servant", which was the KJV rendering. That servant, of course, was deemed to be none other than Charle Taze Russell (his wife Maria first applied it to him and, well, what could he say?) My guess is that the term changed to "faithful and discreet slave" when the NWT was published.
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The term was introduced as new light in the October 15, 1950 WT as part of an article praising the "more accurate" translation of the NWT. The article stated that "the facts show" the slave class had been promoted over ALL Christ's belongings in 1919. Not even an "evidently" there. Just the fcts, ma'am.
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ExJW who was a former friend explains why she defriended me on FB - and my response!
by Broken Promises inhi broken promises,.
since i'll be seeing you on saturday [at her sisters wedding who is also an exjw], i thought i should let you know why i removed you from my friends list and didn't accept your last request.
i did this because i saw you were in an ex jehovah's witness recovery group.
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MOST inactive and former JWs are still captive to the concept that WT is God's Organization. A significant percentage live in fear of Armageddon.
Leavingwt's comment is spot-on.
I have written before about how my wife and I (out of the cult at that stage for about a year) visited one of our old friends in Brisbane, who told us proudly we were "amateurs" -- because he had not been to a meeting or memorial in seven years. We'd suspected for a while that he had left, and he spoke with some bitterness about how they had changed their view on higher education (he felt his own life prospects had been damaged because of their disapproval of university).
We had a long talk about why we left and why he left ... and as we parted, he said to us, "Hey guys, we have to stay in touch! I mean, it's not as if you've been disfellowshipped or anything." I presumed he was joking and waited for a laugh -- but he was serious. Seven years after he had decided he no longer wanted to be a JW, he was letting THEM decide who he could be friends with. He was still in their control.