Why do JWs think God would kill these people?

by MrMonroe 12 Replies latest watchtower beliefs

  • MrMonroe
    MrMonroe

    This article from The Guardian is one of the most harrowing pieces of journalism I have read in a long, long time. North Koreans raised like rats in a cage, forced to work seven days a week, scavenge for food in cow manure, inform on family members to gain a tiny increase in their rations, tortured, starved, degraded .... which raises two big questions.

    1. Why do Jehovah's Witnesses believe that these people would die at Armageddon because they have not joined them in "God's organization"? How can Jehovah's Witnesses think God would be so legalistic, so small-minded, that he would deprive those people of life in a peaceful paradise ... just because no brother in a shirt and tie has ever knocked on the door of their barracks and offered them a chance for a Bible study? If JWs who trudge grumpily around urban neighbourhoods offering Watchtowers are held blood-guilty for never contacting these prisoners, then what Witness stands a chance of surviving Armageddon?

    2. And if God sees all suffering, sees every sparrow fall to the ground, why does he do nothing to end the misery of these people who are prisoners for life without hope of normal human existence, no chance of love or happiness? How could he sit by and think, "Yeaaah, this will teach them that Adam shouldn't have listened to Satan!"

    It makes no sense, and the JW doctrine of salvation only to baptised Witnesses is as arrogant and cold-hearted as it's possible to be.

  • Witness My Fury
    Witness My Fury

    Oh the great contradiction that is,... the preaching work.

    If no one knocks on their door or preaches to them then a loving god can not kill them... SO WHY BLOODY WELL GO PREACHING THEN!!!??? By so doing you are signing their death warrants!

    Stupid fucking cult.

  • glenster
  • blondie
    blondie

    The WTS believes in what they call "community responsibility" in that even if the individual has not made the choice not to listen to jws or the government has made the choice by keeping them out of the country, the individual will die because of the group decision.

    *** w95 11/15 pp. 15-16 par. 4 Stay in the “City of Refuge” and Live! ***

    Yes, there is such a thing as joint, or community, bloodguilt. Consider the immense bloodguilt that rests upon Babylon the Great, the world empire of false religion. Why, she is drunk with the blood of Jehovah’s servants! (Revelation 17:5, 6; 18:24) Christendom’s religions claim to follow the Prince of Peace, but wars, religious inquisitions, and death-dealing crusades have made her bloodguilty before God. (Isaiah 9:6; Jeremiah 2:34) In fact, she must bear major guilt for the deaths of millions in the two world wars of this century. Therefore, the adherents of false religion as well as the supporters and participants in human warfare are bloodguilty before God.

    Some people have caused human death willfully or through carelessness. Others have taken part in collective killing, perhaps persuaded by religious leaders that this was God’s will. Still others have persecuted and killed servants of God. Even if we have not done such things, though, we share community responsibility for the loss of human life because we did not know God’s law and will. We are like the unintentional manslayer ‘who killed his fellowman without knowing it and who did not hate him formerly.’ (Deuteronomy 19:4)

    *** w52 6/1 pp. 350-351 Questions From Readers ***Actually, to secure equal opportunity for everyone in the absolute sense would involve far more than merely letting everyone hear the message. There are many influences outside the individual’s control that affect his stand toward the truth. Wicked parents that keep the message from their small children is only one case. Oppressive rulers that keep it from the peoples under their control is only another case. There are more. In one heathen country preaching has been done for many years, with practically no results so far as those steeped in the native religions are concerned. Is it their fault that they were born and raised in an environment that warped their minds beyond the reach of the truth? Some nationalities or races seem to have traits of stubbornness. Others are marked by qualities of humility and teachableness. More of the former reject the truth; more of the latter accept it. Not many wise or powerful or noble get the truth—it is not God’s purpose. He deliberately chooses more of the foolish and weak and ignoble to put the worldly great ones to shame. (1 Cor. 1:26-31) So it is not just wicked parents or dictatorial rulers that influence a person’s destiny. Other things beyond his control, such as the nation or race or station of life in which he was born, are weighty factors.

    Aside from these big divisions there are many influencing elements. One person is raised by staunch Catholic parents and now is old. Another is raised by parents who did not indoctrinate him with any false religion and is young. Both hear the truth for the first time. Equal opportunity? Not in the absolute sense, for it is easier for the young, flexible mind free of false doctrine to embrace the truth than for the old, set mind cluttered with creedal errors. A third person may have been raised in the truth. Is not his opportunity for accepting it when he reaches the age of responsibility far better than that of others? Certainly. We cannot ignore the vital role played by home training, as Proverbs 22:6 shows. The varying environments of home and school, factory and office affect the individual’s mental outlook and capacities. “Do not be misled. Bad associations spoil useful habits.” (1 Cor. 15:33, NW) The spoilage can proceed till one becomes like a brute beast fit only to be destroyed. (2 Pet. 2:12) A delinquent world, a dictatorial nation, a degenerate community, wicked parents, bad playmates—all are environmental factors that can corrupt the growing child in its formative years until when old it is beyond recovery and reform. Even inherited personality traits may make it easier for one to grasp the truth than another. So absolutely equal opportunity is not as simply provided as hearing the message.

    *** w52 6/1 p. 350 Questions From Readers ***) After God has shown in his Word that he sometimes operates on principles of family and communal responsibility, and after we see that some of such instances pictured Armageddon and involve a withholding of the ransom benefits from those destroyed, on what grounds can we thereafter argue that he should act contrary to these principles? Equal opportunity for every individual? What scriptures establish this as a divine principle, and eliminate those of family and community responsibility?

  • designs
    designs

    Blame Romans 3

  • MrMonroe
    MrMonroe

    Blondie, thanks for those references. I remember reading, or hearing, many years ago about the Witness concept of community responsibility. The 1952 WT article just terrible. So some races are just beyond redemption, apparently. Has the society ever retracted that view? No.

    Not long after leaving the Witnesses I met a lovely woman living in the same suburb as me who, along with her husband, was disfellowshipped by the society after fading from her congregation, moving interstate and settling quietly into a new home. She had made no attempt to contact any Witnesses in her new city, so was therefore in any way a spiritual threat to any Witnesses locally. Yet they pursued the couple and told them they needed to appear before a JC. They ignored it and were later told the JC had (naturally) decided they were apostates.

    She somehow encountered a book called Life and Death in Shanghai, by Nien Cheng, which she later lent to me. The similarities between life in a tightly controlled, repressive community watched over by Red Guards, constantly fearing being reported to the authorities by her neighbours for any individual thought, forced to recite slogans, hate those the rulers decide are enemies, and unquestionably accept the teachings of the leaders ... and life as a JW are far to striking to ignore. Yet those Chinese had no religious views. They were not part of Babylon the Great. They were in every way victims of a repressive regime, utterly powerless, just the sort of people the Bible says Jesus came to earth to save. Yet they, too, are deemed by smug and arrogant JWs to be like vermin to be destroyed at Armageddon because they haven't accepted a Bible study from .... well, no one, because God has no representatives of his organization in that country. Too bad for them, I guess.

  • mP
    mP

    if the jw believe in community guilt does that mean the entire cong goes to jail because a member was a pedo ?

  • Pams girl
    Pams girl

    I agree mP, dont they keep talking about Gods "clean" "congregation?" One for all, and all for one! Tarring all with the same brush, suits them when they bang on about how every single congregation is singing the same bloody song throught the world and the brotherhood is strong......and at other times, you are completely accountable for your own actions......dumb.

    Happy Thursday everybody x

  • leavingwt
    leavingwt

    The Bible couldn't be more clear, IMHO.

    Think of the Flood of Noah's day. How many little old ladies died? How many infants? How many mentally handicapped people?

    If God decides to save you, you're one lucky bastard. If he doesn't pick you, you burn in Hell for all eternity.

  • leavingwt
    leavingwt

    Here is the reason they believe this particular doctrine. It's also the reason they keep a suicide card in their wallets and why they disown their children.

    Most victims of thought reform will believe anything you tell them. The JWs are simply one example of this.

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