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  Should Tiger Woods apologize publicly to the woman he had an affair with?

  by journey-on in

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  leave it to gloria allred to grab the limelight.

  she and her client, the ex-porn star, want tiger to apologize to her.

  do you think he should?

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  Quillsky

  Surely you meant to title this thread.... "Should Tiger Woods apologize publicly to the women he had affairs with?"

  (My response is no, they were entirely complicit, they knew about Erin. What the heck is wrong with the whole lot of them?)
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  Non-practising homosexual JW's

  by Quillsky in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  as i understand it, being gay is not a sin in the organization, only homosexual acts are sins.

  i've never read anywhere that gay jw people are encouraged to "fix" their gayness and marry.. i've certainly known a fair number of confirmed bachelor types who live exemplary lives in the witness sense - one life-long bethelite i knew springs to mind - but are clearly (to me anyway) gay.

  they've all been in the closet though.. i wonder if any jw has ever been out of the closet, but not disfellowshipped since they don't have sex?

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  Quillsky

  As I understand it, being gay is not a sin in the organization, only homosexual acts are sins. I've never read anywhere that gay JW people are encouraged to "fix" their gayness and marry.

  I've certainly known a fair number of confirmed bachelor types who live exemplary lives in the Witness sense - one life-long Bethelite I knew springs to mind - but are clearly (to me anyway) gay. They've all been in the closet though.

  I wonder if any JW has ever been out of the closet, but not disfellowshipped since they don't have sex? Or even, out of the closet with "privileges" in the organization?

  Single heterosexuals can say "I'm heterosexual and celibate since I'm not married". Can single homosexuals say "I'm homosexual and celibate" without any repercussions in the congregation?
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  THE FINAL VERDICT IS DELIVERED!!!

  by Hobo Ken in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  this is the final of my series of podcasts in which the 3 circuit overseers decide my fate as a jehovah's witness.. my blog- deathorobedience.blogspot.com.

  podcast 12 the final verdict- play the audio.

  also available free on itunes (just search on itunes).. .

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  Quillsky

  Listened to the whole thing. Very eloquent, Matt. And how extremely sad for your family that your own brother was dragged into this mess.

  The one elder keeps on countering your assertion that you are not trying to persuade anybody, with...... "Apostasy is stubbornly holding views..." What a cult. Surely you should be judged by your actions and your words, not interrogated in an inquisition as to your private unspoken beliefs and questions.

  Imagine if every Witness were called in to answer what you called a Q&A about their beliefs. Half of all JW's, those that aren't completely braindead, would be DF'ed.

  At around 54:00...... "With ALL THESE PERSONAL VIEWS that you have contrary to our preaching of the good news of the kingdom, those DETAILS about Jesus, ETCETERA....." And this after you've made it COMPLETELY clear that you're not going to give them any of your personal views, that it's private, and especially details of your views, that you were burned at your JC by revealing your personal questions and views. They were trying so hard to pry open your brain, because they had nothing on your actions. What a clear agenda these men entered the meeting with.

  Congratulations on sticking to your guns. Sorry to see on your blog you have marriage issues at the same time as all this is happening. Keep strong Matt, for you and for your boys.
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  Most pathetic Special Needs Talk

  by RebeccaChi in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  remember all the stupid special needs talks?

  i remember one that was about a kid picking up a $5 bill outside of the kingdom hall.

  he looked around to see if anyone around him lost it, and when no one did, he decided to keep it.

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  Quillsky

  The immorality of slits in skirts, I remember that being a special need. No matter how long the skirt is, a slit is unacceptable.
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  A Problem With General Christian Beliefs

  by AllTimeJeff in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  first of all, lets head off some potential problems before they start.

  i am not doing this thread to argue.

  if you would like to, thats fine.

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  Quillsky

  Jews, Christains and Muslims believe in the same God, they just have a different view of his Nature.

  100% right. And they just, even within each major group, have different views on what this god requires.

  Judaism is built on the god of Abraham, the god of the Torah, with the core belief being that Jews were the chosen people and had to live by a vast set of rules.

  Christianity was built on the very same god, with the additional belief that Jesus was a part of that god and now everyone who believed in Jesus could become chosen too. At the same time it threw out the Jewish rules for living.

  Finally, Islam was built on those very same foundations around 600 years after Christianity began, with the Qur'an saying that Mohammed was a prophet who worked to get people back to the true teachings of Christianity. Hence the Qur'an acknowledges all of the Jewish and Christian history, except it turfs out the idea that Jesus was god, and goes back to the god of Abraham rather than the triune god of Christianity.

  Okay, so with that out of the way, this is why I have a problem with the whole set-up. Firstly, the chosen people of god concept of Judaism, upon which this is all based. From what we know now of the globe and its fascinating aray of cultures and people, a so-called chosen people idea makes absolutely no sense, although I can see how it served well to unify Jewish tribes living in hostile conditions and trying to stay united and better their lives.

  Secondly, the idea of Jesus the Christ dying for our sins. I simply don't understand this. Whether he was only a man or whether he was part of god, he only died for three days according to Christian theology. Day 4.... he was alive and kicking.

  How does that pay a price for the sins of everyone who has ever lived? I just don't get the equation.

  Say my TV isn't working, and then a very nice TV repairman, a good and honest man who gives free training to other young repairmen, gets hit by a car outside my house......... and goes into a coma for three days. Still my TV doesn't work but one day it may work, or maybe I twiddle some wires and suddenly it does work. Perhaps I use the notes some of his students wrote to feel confident that my TV is still fixable.

  So when he comes out of his 3 day coma I rush over to the hospital and thank him profusely, and pay him, for fixing my TV. How can my TV, no matter what state it is in, possibly be connected to the good TV repairman being in an accident outside my house?

  Sorry to any Christians that this analogy may offend, but I really truly don't understand the whole Christ Died For Your Sins story. That's my problem with the Christian belief system -- the very illogical core of it.
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  Bible student with 8 kids turns down marriage proposal?

  by QuestioningEverything in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  a woman who is studying/attending the kh where my mom goes has 8 kids.

  the oldest is 15y and the baby is only 7 weeks old.

  after studying for some time, she decided it would be morally right for her and the kids father to get married.

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  Quillsky

  When two people live together for a decade and a half and procreate almost a football team together, they are married. In the eyes of God, in the eyes of their friends, in the eyes of the community and in the eyes of the fucking flying spaghetti monster.

  Watchtower literature supports this. I don't do the quoting thing, but in countries where JWs can't technically be married, circumstances such as this ARE regarded as evidence of marriage, as in two people married together. Maybe someone can help with the quotes from the literature, if anyone gives a damn.

  What is this stupid woman THINKING?
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  JW disrupt a funeral service (Watch and Comment)

  by sacolton in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jutihhsoou8.

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  Quillsky

  Although Jedediah - the disfellowshipped grandson, and either the son or more likely the nephew of Sister Silver Wig - was even-tempered and well-dressed, his speech was also a lengthy judgmental chastisement of other people present, which would be totally out of place at any funeral I've ever been to.

  Poor grandmother.
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  JW's and home schooling?

  by semelcred in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  i don't wish to offend any that are teaching their kids at home, but today i was again confronted by a situation where a jw family were home schooling.

  the kids had little structure to their routine and without putting the mum down, she was no teacher in an academic sense.. the subject is close to my heart because my parents who are witnesses, took my younger brothers out of school and home tutored them.

  the were subjected to below standard education and limited in social skills, particularly as my parents are crap at these skills themselves.. i have grown to hate home schooling except in the situation of medical or logistical situations.. what are your comments good or bad and do you think the option to home school is abused by the witness community?.

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  Quillsky

  Obviously most people who have responded on this thread have some experience of homeschooling. I haven't, don't know anybody who has. So I merely ask as an astonished observer...... are JW's really encouraged to homeschool their children?? In all my years as a JW I never heard such a thing.
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  watchtower site on Facebook, ,,is this stuff for real ?

  by lancelink in

  1. jw
  2. experiences

  i was looking over the watchtower site on facebook this evening, and was just mesmerized by many of the posts.this stuff can't be real (can it)?

  nelson birdwell ?

  it's like something out of mad magazine, or better yet the onion !.

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  Quillsky

  some idiot changed this group but im fixing it back....this is for Jehovah's people not raving lunatics....stop hacking our page...

  From http://www.facebook.com/group.php?gid=44613550244

  When they say "stop hacking our page" do you think they mean "stop using your computer skills in illegal ways" or do they mean "stop posting stuff on a public forum that sounds like you could believably be Witnesses but makes us look absurd"?
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  Need some support

  by ~Jen~ in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  i don't post very often but i'm in need of some support.. i left my husband and the jw's back in the summer.

  we have 3 kids and have joint custody of them.. i've spoken to my family once - back in the fall and it was a great conversation - my parents (dad is an elder) said that they just wanted me to be happy however that is.. last week i got a voicemail from my mom saying that she loved me and thought about me every day.

  i was so happy.

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  Quillsky

  Quillsky, what if she wanted a "Scriptural" divorce?

  Perhaps I wasn't well-enough indoctrinated to understand what a "Scriptural" divorce is......

  As I always understood it, if your spouse has sex with somebody else you may "Scripturally" divorce them. Not.... if you want a "Scriptural" divorce you have to go off and find someone to have sex with, then it's all fine and merry. How screwed up would that sort of doctrine be?

  Jen, I empathize with your feelings of helplessness, being controlled and emotionally abused. I'm just going off on a tangent about an important element of your decision about the way to deal with it, sex with someone else.

  From your opening post....

  I left my husband and the JW's back in the summer.

  That's a mature solution perhaps, but finding another man to have sex with as a "route" to that, not very clever, is what I'm saying.