Non-practising homosexual JW's
As I understand it, being gay is not a sin in the organization, only homosexual acts are sins. I've never read anywhere that gay JW people are encouraged to "fix" their gayness and marry.
I've certainly known a fair number of confirmed bachelor types who live exemplary lives in the Witness sense - one life-long Bethelite I knew springs to mind - but are clearly (to me anyway) gay. They've all been in the closet though.
I wonder if any JW has ever been out of the closet, but not disfellowshipped since they don't have sex? Or even, out of the closet with "privileges" in the organization?
Single heterosexuals can say "I'm heterosexual and celibate since I'm not married". Can single homosexuals say "I'm homosexual and celibate" without any repercussions in the congregation?
Excellent point. I would think at the very least any jw who openly admitted to being gay would be ostracized beyond belief by the other jws, regardless of whether he was celibate or not, either that or some loving bros and sis' would try to find him a nice sister to marry, and 'cure' him hehe. I would think most people with strong homosexual tendancies would feel so unwelcome and repressed within the jw org they would leave at some point. Two clear things I noticed which were widely acceptable in the jws, in an unspoken sense: 1. Overdrinking alcohol and 2. Saying cruel and nasty things about gay people, even using clearly unjehovah-ish words to describe them, such as 'poof' or 'fag', etc.
Then they would have studies of certain books which would seem to throw an admiring light on people like Alexander the Great, who was a little light in the sandals by all accounts....(not to mention an alcoholic mass murderer).
I do know one gay man, who was baptized a virgin at 18. When he turned 30, he decided to come out to his congregation because he didn't want to deal with sisters who wanted to date him. As far as I know, he is still an active, respected JW, and out. That is on the east coast, and I think it would be more accepted there than in any other part of the country other than San Francisco.
my ex studied with a young man who was gay. Got him to switch sides and he married andthey had a child
I hate to think how that turned out
There's a JW around here that's a VERY confirmed bachelor, and he invites many a young man on a cruise.... I knew he was a very confirmed bachelor because I talked to one of his lovers. He invited both my youngest cousin and my brother on a cruise.
That's interesting CRR but maybe your topic deserves its own thread?
I'm discussing gay JW's who don't have same-sex relationships. I think that's worth talking about.
In the 1980's we had a brother who was reproved for sexual misconduct with another bloke. There was a local needs talk about controlling sexual desires outside of marriage and the struggle that people have if they have homosexual tendancies. He was not DF'd and after a short period of restrictions was back to being used i the congregation. He was obviously a celibate gay . As far as I know he is and still in the org.
"I've never read anywhere that gay JW people are encouraged to "fix"their gayness and marry."
True, it's not stated directly. However, there have been a number of experiences published where individuals chose marriage as a way to get beyond being gay. It seems that the society endorses that course by publishing those experiences.
I can think of a couple of examples that lend to your question. I know of one witness male who was completely "out" and had no cong. responsibilities-ever. Another witness male who had a ton of responsibilities in the cong., circuit, district. He lost it all after confessing to a cuddling encounter with another male witness that he swears did not involve "porneia".
No lies please: your avatar pic would get you reproved, as part of it looks distinctly phallic (albeit flaccid).
It was definitely not taught in our kingkongregation, or by the borg headquarters, that thought crimes are ok. "Hate the unclean thing" and all.
"Independent thinking" is a crime against jehoopla, for example. Speaking or acting against the borg is a separate crime.
So is "lusting in your heart", "coveting your neighbor's wife".