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Can the Appointed Times of the Nations be calculatedf? Part #2
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they are all drunk with the wine of her fornication, and with the blood of the witnesses of jesus.

who visciously persecuted the followers of the christ?

who killed the holy ones and witnesses of jesus?
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They are all drunk with the wine of her fornication, and with the Blood of the Witnesses of Jesus. Who was it right up until the appearance of the Christ that killed and stoned the Prophets and those sent forth to her? Who murdered the Christ and stoned Stephen to death? Who visciously persecuted the followers of the Christ? It was a Religious Organization was it not? Who killed the Holy ones and witnesses of Jesus? Ones that professed to be God's Favored people, but was a blatant lie. It was devil led! Because this Woman of John's Revelation is called a great City with a Kingdom over the Kings of the earth, is the fact that World -Wide this Religious Woman is in control of the masses of mankind. While she sits on these many waters representative of people. John further clarifies just who this Woman is in verse 24 of Revelation 18 where we are told the following:
"Yes, in her was found the blood of prophets and of holy ones and of all those who have been slaughtered on the earth." {Revelation 18:24 NWT} Now connect these words penned by John with words spoken by Jesus to those early Jews:
"Serpents, offspring of vipers, how are YOU to flee from the judgment of Ge·hen´na? 34 For this reason, here I am sending forth to YOU prophets and wise men and public instructors. Some of them YOU will kill and impale, and some of them YOU will scourge in YOUR synagogues and persecute from city to city; 35 that there may come upon YOU all the righteous blood spilled on earth, from the blood of righteous Abel to the blood of Zech·a·ri´ah son of Bar·a·chi´ah, whom YOU murdered between the sanctuary and the altar. 36 Truly I say to YOU, All these things will come upon this generation." {Matthew 23:33-36 NWT}
"The waters that you saw, where the harlot is sitting, mean peoples and crowds and nations and tongues." {Revelation 17:15 NWT}
So, these Peoples and crowds and Nations and Tongues where this great Harlot is sitting, today take the place of the Israelite Nation, who so brutaly murdered the Christ, stoned Stephen to death, killed James, and persecuted the followers of the Christ in the first Century. So, we're looking at now, the entire empire of Blood-Guilty Religious Christendom as the ones doing the trampling on Jerusalem. Only this trampling now, is being done on the Jerusalem above, Heavenly New Jerusalem, the City of the living God. This Trampling began with the crucifiction of the Christ, carried over to the stoning of stephen the murder of James the Persecution of the Christian's under the New Covenant. In that no one knows just how long this trampling will go on because it is still in progress right at this present moment in time they cannot know its length, or when it will end. So, this Trampling did not begin in 607 BCE. Nor did it run for 2,520 years. Did not end in 1914. Which of course means the Christ was not invisibly present in the year 1914, because the appointed times of the Nations did not end in that year at all. Something else it means, is, the seven time prophecy in Daniel 4:16 had absolutely nothing to do with the appointed times of the Nations. That Prophecy was merely talking about the loss and restoration of Kingdoms. Nebuchadnezzers after seven times passed over him, which of course was fulfilled.
Jehovah's Kingship would come into being, by his heavenly Woman displaying only her labor pains in 1914, which pains were pictured by the composite sign of the coming of Christ into Kingdom power,only just beggining. Before the Kingdom would actually come, the entire sign had to be in evidence, but even when it was the kingdom would only be near, not here even then. {Matthew 24:32,33} {Luke 21:28-31}That sign is still going on right now. Only when the Christ actually begins to exercise his authority as king, and, if you will, brings the hammer down on Satan's world-wide system of things, wiping it out in total will the appointed times of the Nations be fulfilled, and the Trampling on New Jerusalem end conclusively. {Revelation 12:10 - The Appointed Times of the Nations and the Trampling on New Jerusalem could never end while satan's sytem of things is still operational and right now, its running at full tilt. Fat flourishing and healthy!
But you cannot calculate the appointed times of the Nations, know how long they will run, or know when they will end, because no one knows the day-date Cain killed Abel, and that would be the starting point to count the length of the appointed times of the Nations coupled with that no one knows, or could possibly ever know, the exact day and hour for divine intervention, and that is the only time they could end. It would be of necessity to know those two dates, because without knowing them no one could ever possibly count the length of time the appointed times of the Nations will run. We do not know when at what Date they began! We do not know how long they will run, because they are still now running. We do not know the date they will end. We only know the event that will bring them to their end.As for this expression: "Domineering Prostitute."
Consider the stand taken by the Pope, as to being Almighty God on earth. The judge of heaven and earth. The vicar or representative of the Christ. Imagine claiming the position as judge of heaven and earth when Jehovah himself has allotted that position solely to the Christ, and his Anointed Brothers. That's a stretch and a half, isn't it? Of course they must be called Father or Holy Father or get this Jehovah's Position, Most Holy Father. Or Reverend right Reverend, Most Reverend.{John 5:22} {Revelation 20:4} As for God Almighty, the Pope and all of the Clergy, no differrent; Then of course their special garb that sets them above the laity in their congreagtions. How's that for domineering prostitute? You couldn't get any better. Arrogance personified. A description that fits them all right down to the ground. It works out like this, in this case, the Higher you exalt yourself the longer the drop to the ground when Jehovah brings them all down, and he surely will bring them all down, according to Isaiah the Prophet. {Isaiah Chapter Two.}The Governing Body of Jehovah's Witnesses will tell us that aside from them no one understands the Bible. That's funny! I'm not associated with them and I don't have any problem understanding the Bible. Wonder what's going on here?
Claiming that they, the Governing Body of Jehovah's Witnesses are the only ones who understand the Bible, because only their Organization is Spirit Directed, they make fools out of themselves, because their Spirt Direction is somewhat lacking, wouldn't you think? It's been leading them on a path of errror for 130 years with failed predictions false prophecies and very poorly set forth interpretations of the the Scriptures. The Book they claim no one else understands they don't uderstand themselves. They tell us, that the Appointed Times of the Nations began running in 607 BCE. That's wrong! They tell us they ran for a period of 2,520 years. That's Wrong! They tell us they ended in 1914. That also is wrong. They tell us the appointed times of the Nations ended in the year 1914. That's wrong. In their Book: "You can live forever in paradise on earth on page 141 Paragraph 21 they tell us: "This means that Jesus Christ began to rule as King of God's Heavenly Government in 1914. ... "the Kingdom has already started its rule!" Quite obviously that is also wrong. We're 96 years away from the year 1914.
Was what they say to be true, this entire system of things by now would be toast; but everything continues as usual. Think for a moment about what the Governing Body tells us about the year 607 BCE and forward, because what they lay claim to about the Christ arrival in Kingdom power in the year 1914 actually as they say, he's already ruling. Without actually coming right out and saying it, in telling us he's already ruling, they are, probably without being conciously aware of it, telling us they know the Day and Hour, because that only occurs when the Christ actually does begin his active rule, as King of God's Kingdom. So, they have made a major goof-up in playing with Daniels time prophecy on the seven times, but just don't know that they have. Goof-up's they must be quite used to by now. After one Hundred and thirty some odd years of them, it's old hat by now.Wannabe
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Can the Appointed Times of the Nations be calculated?
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Can the Appointed Times of the Nations be calculated?
Was one to ask me today, for my interpretation, of Lukes words at Luke 21:24 I would have to tell them I do not agree with the Governing Bodies Watchtowers Societies intrepretation of it because I feel their reasoning is seriously flawed. One needs to ask himself, which Jerusalem was Luke making reference to here, and what was it that actually constituted the trampling, and how long has it really been going on? This Trampling doesn't denote anything good, as one dictionary definition explains it: "
To treat harshly or ruthlessly." So this Jerusalem is being treated harshly, and ruthlessly, by receiving this trampling.
As for the Jerusalem in question my belief is, that can be determined by looking at Genesis 3:15, as follows:
"And I shall put enmity between you and the WOMAN and between your seed and her seed. He will bruise you in the head and you will bruise him in the heel." {Genesis 3:15 NWT}
Notice! We have two seeds! The seed of satan! The seed of the Woman! Because of this Prophecy, all down through the Centuries a hatred would be manifested between these two seeds; but the primary seed was the Christ. satan would, at the crucifiction of Christ bruise him in the heel. It should be mentioned at this point, that when the Christ was crucified the Trampling on Heavenly New Jerusalem began, being as Jesus was representative King of the Jerusalem above. While much later the Christ would cast satan into the lake of fire destroying him forever. {Galatians 3:16} {Revelation 20:10}
Lets look now at who this Woman is:
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And a great sign was seen in heaven, a Woman arrayed with the sun, and the moon was beneath her feet, and on her head was a crown of twelve stars, 2 and she was pregnant. And she cries out in her pains and in her agony to give birth. 3 And another sign was seen in heaven, and, look! a great fiery-colored dragon, with seven heads and ten horns and upon its heads seven diadems; 4 and its tail drags a third of the stars of heaven, and it hurled them down to the earth. And the dragon kept standing before the woman who was about to give birth, that, when she did give birth, it might devour her child. " {Revelation 12:1-17 NWT}
This is the time period, when the composite sign of the Christ will appear; this sign would picture the labor pains of the pregnant Heavenly Woman. Made up of a series of events foretold for the last Days. Escalating in intensity until the heavenly Woman finally gave birth to the Man Child. {Matthew 24- Mark 13 - Luke 21 - It would occur over a long period of time. Not exactly on the year 1914 , because even yet it hasn't occured. Is still an event for the future. That of course is clearly obvious.
We notice the foretold enmity is still going on while God's Kingdom is being born. For we see satan standing before the Woman waiting to devour her child. We know that Jesus warned even at that time his followers would be hated and killed, on a World-Wide scale.
9 "Then you will be arrested, persecuted, and killed. You will be hated all over the world because you are my followers."{Matthew 24:9 NLT} Keep in mind Jesus was the main principle seed of the Woman in Genesis 3:15. His followers too, the seed of the Woman. The foretold enmity or hatred going on, while the sign of the coming of Christ is going on.
We know that this is the Woman of Genesis 3:15 because of these following words in verse 17 of Chapter Twelve of the Revelation showing the foretold enmity, between satan and the Woman, and his great anger towards her, and her seed.
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"And the dragon grew wrathful at the Woman, and went off to wage war with the remaining ones of her seed, who observe the commandments of God and have the work of bearing witness to Jesus." {Revelatiobn 12:17 NWT} Notice satan's hatred for the Woman and her seed. I should mention here that the remaining ones of this Heavenly Woman's seed are of two classes. One of the Heavenly High Calling, who inherit immortality in the Spirit Realm to reign as King Priests with the Christ, the other, of course the earthly class with the hope of everlasting life on this earth. {Psalm 37:11,29}These ones, as John has told us, have the work of bearing witness to Jesus, which work incurs satan's great hatred. As well as his seeds towards the seed of the Woman. So, when satan is thrown down to this earth, the age old hatred erupts again and continues on.
So, right up until the time for God's Kingdom to come we have satan displaying his hatred for the Woman and her seed. This may sound strange in that the Israelite Nation was in a covenant relationship with Jehovah, hence his favored people, but they were an unfaithful nation; hence had to be corrected many times by Jehovah's Prophets sent to them. They were in point of fact the seed of satan the devil; that's how bad it bacame. Through their behavior they reached a point of no return, no healing.
"And Jehovah the God of their forefathers kept sending against them by means of his messengers, sending again and again, because he felt compassion for his people and for his dwelling. 16 But they were continually making jest at the messengers of the [true] God and despising his words and mocking at his prophets, until the rage of Jehovah came up against his people, until there was no healing." {2 Chronicles 36:15,16 NWT} So, they had gone too far, and Jehovah had run out of patience with them. Jesus as much told them, that they were actually Children of the devil, the seed of satan. This Worlds Christian's needs to take these words to heart, because you can push Jehovah just so far, and no further. As it occured with the Israelite Nation, a point of no healing can be reached for all of them as well. They too could end up as Jesus described those early Jews; "Serpents!" "Off-spring of vipers!"
"Serpents, offspring of vipers,
how are YOU to flee from the judgment of Ge·hen´na? 34 For this reason, here I am sending forth to YOU prophets and wise men and public instructors. Some of them YOU will kill and impale, and some of them YOU will scourge in YOUR synagogues and persecute from city to city; 35 that there may come upon YOU all the righteous blood spilled on earth, from the blood of righteous Abel to the blood of Zech·a·ri´ah son of Bar·a·chi´ah, whom YOU murdered between the sanctuary and the altar. 36 Truly I say to YOU, All these things will come upon this generation. " {Matthew 23:33-35 NWT}
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"Jerusalem, Jerusalem, the killer of the prophets and stoner of those sent forth to her,—how often I wanted to gather your children together, the way a hen gathers her chicks together under her wings! But YOU people did not want it. 38 Look! YOUR house is abandoned to YOU. 39 For I say to YOU, YOU will by no means see me from henceforth until YOU say, ‘Blessed is he that comes in Jehovah’s name!’" {Matthew 23:37,38 NWT} {Luke 19:41-44}
Anyone reading the words of Jesus here will see Jerusalem itself made up of its people were not trampled on; they were themselves the Tramplers on Jerusalem. These Prophets, wise men and instructors that were sent forth that were killed, scourged, in their synagogues and persecuted, were the seed of the Woman that was in conflict with the seed of the devil, because of the foretold enmity. The Jewish Nation had reverted over to the seed of satan the devil, and right up until the time of Christ in 29CE would persecute and murder, the seed of the Woman. Fulfilling the prophecy at Genesis 3:15. The first of the seed of the Woman was righteous Abel, who Cain, the seed of satan, murdered. With that murder beginning the trampling on earthly Jerusalem. This point is very important to remember. No one, I don't care who it is, can know the day date for Abel's murder; but whatever that dateBottom of Form 1 was, it marked the beginning of the appointed times of the Nations when that trampling first began. Abel was the seed of the Woman, which Woman represented the Jerusalem Luke Mentioned in the following:
24" and they will fall by the edge of the sword and be led captive into all the nations; and Jerusalem will be trampled on by the nations, until the appointed times of the nations are fulfilled." {Luke 21:24 NWT}
Being himself under the New Covenant, the only Jerusalem that Luke could possibly be making reference to, would be the Jerusalem above. {Galatians 4:26} Heavenly New Jerusalem. {Revelation 3:12;21:2,10} Which was the City of the living God. {Hebrews 12:18-24} When Luke made his satement, while it's true the seed of the Woman were made up of many faithful ones that were among the ancient Nation of Israel, Luke's focus now would have had to be on the Jerusalem above. Heavenly New Jerusalem. New Heavenly Mount Zion.The City of the Living God. {Revelation 14:1} This trampling on Jerusalem now, because of the New Covenant established on the blood of the Christ reverted over to Heavenly New Jerusalem. This particular trampling began with the crucifiction of the Christ and the foretold enmity or hatred was transfered over to the Christ and all of his first Century followers. Manifested by the murder of Stephen, and violent persection of all of the followers of the Christ, in the first Century. {Acts 7:51-60;8:1,2} Since the early Days of the Israelite Nation the seed of the Heavenly Woman has been put through a living Hell at the hands of the seed of satan the devil. One needs only read Paul's account in Hebrews Chaper 11 to verify that. They have literally been trampled under the feet of the seed of satan the devil for many Centuries. Since the murder of Righteous Abel. For the Governing Body of the Wathtower to teach that trampling only began in 607 BCE is an outright blatant insult to all of Jehovah's ancient faithful followers. Who were the ones who really experienced this Trampling on Jerusalem. Men like Noah, Moses, Lot, Abraham, Issac, Jacob, Job King David and time would fail me to list them all. But Paul will follow up in Hebrews11.
"Now this Ha´gar means Si´nai, a mountain in Arabia, and she corresponds with the Jerusalem today, for she is in slavery with her children. 26 But the Jerusalem above is free, and she is our mother." {Galatians 4:25,26}
Notice! Paul said: "She is OUR Mother!" He meant, Luke's Mother too. Which of course means, the free Woman who was the Jerusalem above. So, when Luke made his statement in Luke 21:24 about the appointed times of the Nations, he was making reference to, not only the ancient City of Jerusalem, and the two seeds in among them he was also referring to the Jerusalem above, and the two opposing seeds among them. We know that this is the Woman of Genesis 3:15 because of these following words in verse 17 of Chapter Twelve of the Revelation:
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"And the dragon grew wrathful at the woman, and went off to wage war with the remaining ones of her seed, who observe the commandments of God and have the work of bearing witness to Jesus." {Revelation 12:17 NWT} We observe here the foretold enmity between the Woman, her seed, and satan the devil.
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That is the Jerusalem that was receiving the trampling on by the Nations until they were fulfilled. Now just who is it that is responsible for that trampling on New Heavenly Jerusalem, the Jerusalem above right now, today? I'll direct attention now back to Genesis 3:15 and ask you to look closely at that prophecy, because it is a key scripture in gaining a proper understanding of this subject. Notice again what is stated there:
"And I shall put enmity between you and the woman and between your seed and her seed. He will bruise you in the head and you will bruise him in the heel." {Genesis3:15 NWT}
It is not directly stated there, that Two Women are involved, does it, but how do we know that there are? One Woman is mentioned that produces a seed. So, it would follow satan also having a seed would also have to have a Woman behind the production of his seed. I feel that, that, is a fairly reasonable assumption. With of course scriptural support.
It might pay to mention that Jehovah likened the Israelite Nation as to being his Wife, himself their husbandly owner. As we see from the following words of Isaiah the Prophet:
"For your Grand Maker is your husbandly owner, Jehovah of armies being his name; and the Holy One of Israel is your Repurchaser. The God of the whole earth he will be called. 6 For Jehovah called you as if you were a wife left entirely and hurt in spirit, and as a wife of the time of youth who was then rejected," your God has said." {Isaiah 54:5,6 NWT} So, you could say, Ancient Israel was Jehovah's Woman, but earthly. As I've already pointed out the Israelite Nation had reverted over to the seed of satan the devil, and as a result, had become satan's Woman, as described by Ezekiel the Prophet:
"So you kept making your prostitution abound toward the land of Ca´naan, toward the Chal·de´ans; and even in this you did not get satisfaction. 30 O how I am filled up with rage against you,’ is the utterance of the Sovereign Lord Jehovah, ‘by your doing all these things, the work of a woman, a domineering prostitute!" {Ezekiel 16:1-30 NWT}
That entire Nation had become guilty of spiritual adultery; as Ezekiel and Jeremiah, identified them, a Woman, a domineering prostitute. Unfaithful Israel!
"When I got to see that, for the very reason that unfaithful Israel had committed adultery, I sent her away and proceeded to give the certificate of her full divorce to her, yet treacherously dealing Judah her sister did not become afraid, but she herself also began to go and commit prostitution. 9 And her prostitution occurred because of [her] frivolous view, and she kept polluting the land and committing adultery with stones and with trees; 10 and even for all this her treacherous sister Judah did not return to me with all her heart, only falsely,’ is the utterance of Jehovah." {Jeremiah 3:8 NWT} This Woman now was a dirty Woman belonging to satan the devil, for what other type Woman could we expect from him? The Liar and the Father of the lie! {John 8:44} Keep this expression Domineering Prostitute in mind, I'll focus on that a little later on.
Look now at the change brought about by the established New Covenant, how Jehovah's Heavenly Woman takes on a completely new appearance from that of unfaithful adulteress Israel's appearance of a domineering adulteress Prostitute, to that of a beautiful Chaste Virgin. Jehovah's new Heavenly Woman.
"And I saw a new heaven and a new earth; for the former heaven and the former earth had passed away, and the sea is no more. 2 I saw also the holy city, New Jerusalem, coming down out of heaven from God and prepared as a bride adorned for her husband. 3 With that I heard a loud voice from the throne say: "Look! The tent of God is with mankind, and he will reside with them, and they will be his peoples. And God himself will be with them. " {Revelation 21:1-3 NWT} This New Woman belonging to Jehovah is more than just beautiful, she is the very personification of beauty in Jehovah's eyes. This Woman is the Bride of Christ. Made up of Men and Women who have proved themselves faithful to death, to uphold the truth of God's Word the Bible. All, just like their Master, are World conquerers. {John 16:33} They could all say as did Jesus, we have conquered the World. Notice how Paul refers to these ones, one of which, he was himself:
"For I am jealous over YOU with a godly jealousy, for I personally promised YOU in marriage to one husband that I might present YOU as a chaste virgin to the Christ." {2 Corinthians 11:2 NWT}
This of course was the Bride of Christ. All chosen by the Father, for his Son. For that reason you know absolutely they are the very best of the best to rule with the Christ for the thousand year period. {Revelation 5:9,10; 20:4} Let us now look at satan's Woman John mentions in the Revelation account, and learn just who it is who is representative of her:
And one of the seven angels that had the seven bowls came and spoke with me, saying: "Come, I will show you the judgment upon the great harlot who sits on many waters, 2 with whom the kings of the earth committed fornication, whereas those who inhabit the earth were made drunk with the wine of her fornication." 3 And he carried me away in [the power of the] spirit into a wilderness. And I caught sight of a Woman sitting upon a scarlet-colored wild beast that was full of blasphemous names and that had seven heads and ten horns. 4 And the woman was arrayed in purple and scarlet, and was adorned with gold and precious stone and pearls and had in her hand a golden cup that was full of disgusting things and the unclean things of her fornication. 5 And upon her forehead was written a name, a mystery: "Babylon the Great, the mother of the harlots and of the disgusting things of the earth." 6 And I saw that the woman was drunk with the blood of the holy ones and with the blood of the witnesses of Jesus. Notice how much control the great harlot has over those who inhabit the earth, and what her effect she has over them. All of them are spiritual drunkards. Of course the Pope is only a part of Babylon the Great, but talk about being adorned with Gold! They say the Pope has so many Billions of Dollars, it cannot be reasonably assessed. Of course he's the Vicar of Christ he will tell you, but the Christ had nowhere to even lay down his head.
"Yes, in her was found the blood of prophets and of holy ones and of all those who have been slaughtered on the earth." {Revelation 18:24 NWT} Now connect these words penned by John with words spoken by Jesus to those early Jews:
"Serpents, offspring of vipers, how are YOU to flee from the judgment of Ge·hen´na? 34 For this reason, here I am sending forth to YOU prophets and wise men and public instructors. Some of them YOU will kill and impale, and some of them YOU will scourge in YOUR synagogues and persecute from city to city; 35 that there may come upon YOU all the righteous blood spilled on earth, from the blood of righteous Abel to the blood of Zech·a·ri´ah son of Bar·a·chi´ah, whom YOU murdered between the sanctuary and the altar. 36 Truly I say to YOU, All these things will come upon this generation." {Matthew 23:33-36 NWT}
"The waters that you saw, where the harlot is sitting, mean peoples and crowds and nations and tongues." {Revelation 17:15 NWT}
So, these Peoples and crowds and Nations and Tongues where this great Harlot is sitting, today take the place of the Israelite Nation, who so brutaly murdered the Christ, stoned Stephen to death, killed James, and persecuted the followers of the Christ in the first Century. So, we're looking at now, the entire empire of Blood-Guilty Religious Christendom as the ones doing the trampling on Jerusalem. Only this trampling now, is being done on the Jerusalem above, Heavenly New Jerusalem, the City of the living God. This Trampling began with the crucifiction of the Christ, carried over to the stoning of stephen the murder of James the Persecution of the Christian's under the New Covenant. In that no one knows just how long this trampling will go on because it is still in progress right at this present moment in time they cannot know its length, or when it will end. So, this Trampling did not begin in 607 BCE. Nor did it run for 2,520 years. Did not end in 1914. Which of course means the Christ was not invisibly present in the year 1914, because the appointed times of the Nations did not end in that year at all. Something else it means, is, the seven time prophecy in Daniel 4:16 had absolutely nothing to do with the appointed times of the Nations. That Prophecy was merely talking about the loss and restoration of Kingdoms. Nebuchadnezzers after seven times passed over him, which of course was fulfilled.
Jehovah's Kingship would come into being, by his heavenly Woman displaying only her labor pains in 1914, which pains were pictured by the composite sign of the coming of Christ into Kingdom power,only just beggining. Before the Kingdom would actually come, the entire sign had to be in evidence, but even when it was the kingdom would only be near, not here even then. {Matthew 24:32,33} {Luke 21:28-31}That sign is still going on right now. Only when the Christ actually begins to exercise his authority as king, and, if you will, brings the hammer down on Satan's world-wide system of things, wiping it out in total will the appointed times of the Nations be fulfilled, and the Trampling on New Jerusalem end conclusively. {Revelation 12:10 - The Appointed Times of the Nations and the Trampling on New Jerusalem could never end while satan's sytem of things is still operational and right now, its running at full tilt. Fat flourishing and healthy!
But you cannot calculate the appointed times of the Nations, know how long they will run, or know when they will end, because no one knows the day-date Cain killed Abel, and that would be the starting point to count the length of the appointed times of the Nations coupled with that no one knows, or could possibly ever know, the exact day and hour for divine intervention, and that is the only time they could end. It would be of necessity to know those two dates, because without knowing them no one could ever possibly count the length of time the appointed times of the Nations will run. We do not know when at what Date they began! We do not know how long they will run, because they are still now running. We do not know the date they will end. We only know the event that will bring them to their end.As for this expression: "Domineering Prostitute."
Consider the stand taken by the Pope, as to being Almighty God on earth. The judge of heaven and earth. The vicar or representative of the Christ. Imagine claiming the position as judge of heaven and earth when Jehovah himself has allotted that position solely to the Christ, and his Anointed Brothers. That's a stretch and a half, isn't it? Of course they must be called Father or Holy Father or get this Jehovah's Position, Most Holy Father. Or Reverend right Reverend, Most Reverend.{John 5:22} {Revelation 20:4} As for God Almighty, the Pope and all of the Clergy, no differrent; Then of course their special garb that sets them above the laity in their congreagtions. How's that for domineering prostitute? You couldn't get any better. Arrogance personified. A description that fits them all right down to the ground. It works out like this, in this case, the Higher you exalt yourself the longer the drop to the ground when Jehovah brings them all down, and he surely will bring them all down, according to Isaiah the Prophet. {Isaiah Chapter Two.}The Governing Body of Jehovah's Witnesses will tell us that aside from them no one understands the Bible. That's funny! I'm not associated with them and I don't have any problem understanding the Bible. Wonder what's going on here?
Claiming that they, the Governing Body of Jehovah's Witnesses are the only ones who understand the Bible, because only their Organization is Spirit Directed, they make fools out of themselves, because their Spirt Direction is somewhat lacking, wouldn't you think? It's been leading them on a path of errror for 130 years with failed predictions false prophecies and very poorly set forth interpretations of the the Scriptures. The Book they claim no one else understands they don't uderstand themselves. They tell us, that the Appointed Times of the Nations began running in 607 BCE. That's wrong! They tell us they ran for a period of 2,520 years. That's Wrong! They tell us they ended in 1914. That also is wrong. They tell us the appointed times of the Nations ended in the year 1914. That's wrong. In their Book: "You can live forever in paradise on earth on page 141 Paragraph 21 they tell us: "This means that Jesus Christ began to rule as King of God's Heavenly Government in 1914. ... "the Kingdom has already started its rule!" Quite obviously that is also wrong. We're 96 years away from the year 1914.
Was what they say to be true, this entire system of things by now would be toast; but everything continues as usual. Think for a moment about what the Governing Body tells us about the year 607 BCE and forward, because what they lay claim to about the Christ arrival in Kingdom power in the year 1914 actually as they say, he's already ruling. Without actually coming right out and saying it, in telling us he's already ruling, they are, probably without being consciously aware of it, telling us they know the Day and Hour, because that only occurs when the Christ actually does begin his active rule, as King of God's Kingdom. So, they have made a major goof-up in playing with Daniels time prophecy on the seven times, but just don't know that they have. Goof-up's they must be quite used to by now. After one Hundred and thirty some odd years of them, it's old hat by nowWannabe.
They are all drunk with the wine of her fornication, and with the Blood of the Witnesses of Jesus. Who was it right up until the appearance of the Christ that killed and stoned the Prophets and those sent forth to her? Who murdered the Christ and stoned Stephen to death? Who visciously persecuted the followers of the Christ? It was a Religious Organization was it not? Who killed the Holy ones and witnesses of Jesus? Ones that professed to be God's Favored people, but was a blatant lie. It was devil led! Because this Woman of John's Revelation is called a great City with a Kingdom over the Kings of the earth, is the fact that World -Wide this Religious Woman is in control of the masses of mankind. While she sits on these many waters representative of people. John further clarifies just who this Woman is in verse 24 of Revelation 18 where we are told the following:
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Allowing Jehovah to speak!
by wannabe in
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these are not my words!

but again not my words; jehovah's words.

what about the words of ezekiel, jehovah gave him to pen for us today, to describe the battle of armageddon; once again not my words, jehovah's words:.
wannabe

Allowing Jehovah to speak!
For many years now I've been putting my writings on these Boards, and much anger is directed my way, because of what I write. One would think I'm putting my own words down when I write, when nothing could be further from the truth. What I write, is what Jehovah himself has spoken, and I can't help it, if it angers individuals. In getting angry at me, they have knowingly, or unknowingly been getting angry at Jehovah. Afterall, I had nothing to do with the writing of the Bible; it is Jehovah who has inspired his own Book. He had Holy Men of old speak as they were borne along by Holy Spirit. So, it's not my Book, nor are the words my own. I merely copy out what Jehovah has spoken. As I'll do now, in this case:
16"All Scripture is God-breathed and is useful for teaching, rebuking, correcting and training in righteousness,17so that the man of God may be thoroughly equipped for every good work. {2 Timothy 3:16NIV}
20"Above all, you must understand that no prophecy of Scripture came about by the prophet's own interpretation.21For prophecy never had its origin in the will of man, but men spoke from God as they were carried along by the Holy Spirit." {2 Peter 1:20,21 NIV}
Now was I to say that Jehovah does not put his Blessing on any of the Religions in Religious Christendom, that statement would put me on the firing line wouldn't it? I'd be getting shot at from every direction, but do you know, that's absolutely true, and it couldn't be any other way. He does not! Jehovah has his own way of telling you that's exactly the case, and for very good reason, but I'll allow him to tell you that what I've just said he backs to the hilt.
3 "If the Good News we preach is hidden behind a veil, it is hidden only from people who are perishing. 4 Satan, who is the god of this world, has blinded the minds of those who don’t believe. They are unable to see the glorious light of the Good News. They don’t understand this message about the glory of Christ, who is the exact likeness of God." [ 2 Corinthians 4:3,4 NLT}
Satan being god of this World, he controls everything that exists on this earth. The Political Empire! The Religious Empire! The Commercial; Empire! All of it, is under his power and control in his position as god of the World. Jehovah also backs that to the hilt, as he'll show you through the pen of John and Luke, {Luke 4:5-8} {Revelation 13:1,2}
19 "We know that we are children of God and that the world around us is under the control of the evil one." {1 John 5:19 NLT}
Controling them all, and blinding them all would of necessity mean he's misleading them all. Jehovah also backs that up through the pen of John:
"So down the great dragon was hurled, the original serpent, the one called Devil and Satan, who is misleading the entire inhabited earth; he was hurled down to the earth, and his angels were hurled down with him." {Revelation 12:9 NWT}
Jehovah has revealed to you that satan in his position as god of this World, holds it all in his power. He Blinds it! He misleads it, and it wasn't me that said it, it was Jehovah who revealed all of that. All I did was copy out what Jehovah has said through his inspired penmen. Those thoughts are not my thoughts, they are Jehovah's. Satan being a liar and the Father of the lie, none of his Religious Empire, being held in his power, Blinded and Misled by him would ever know or learn how to worship the Father in Spirit and in truth, because satan knows nothing about the truth or making a stand for it. So no possible way would, or could they get Jehovah's Blessing on their worship. They would never know how to worship in spirit and in truth and that's the only kind of worshipper Jehovah is looking for to worship him. {John 4:21-24; 8:44} Jehovah has also revealed the eventual fate of this World lying in satan's power, blinded and misled by him; and it's not a very happy scenario, but should I be censored for that if I read a scripture, and because it explains exactly what will occur, and copy it out to show individuals, should anger be directed at me over it? Why? Did I write the following? Is it something I personally will do? The Truth be told I'd hate like Hell to see the followings words fulfilled, but can I stop it from occuring?
18 "Their silver and their gold will not be able to rescue them
on the day of the LORD's wrath. The whole earth will be consumed by the fire of His jealousy. For He will make a complete, yes, a horrifying end of all the inhabitants of the earth." {Zephaniah 1:1-14-18 HCSB}
Once again! These are not my words! I had absolutely nothing to do with their writing. All I did was select and copy them from a Bible Translation on my Computer. There was a time I had absolutely no knowledge of statements like this made by the creator. Even worse, how do I know I'll escape with my butt in tact? I don't know that, do I? Who knows I could be one of the first ones to get it, when it does go down. So it's not the greatest of news for me either, is it? You might just be the best of the best when it comes to teaching the Bible, but because even the chosen ones could be misled by some, no one knows whether they are a false Prophet or not, do they? In fact, there's every chance in the World that they are false Prophets; including myself. I know though my getting angry at Jehovah will not change anything. If anything my anger directed at him would put me in an even more of a precarious position. So I Know I must come to terms with what I read, and learn to live with it, and accept it for what it is. Warnings delivered ahead of time designed to save our very lives. It's that old adage in action. "Sometimes you have to be cruel to be kind." Only in this case, Jehovah isn't trying to be cruel. Although the warnings sound very stern, he delivers them with our best interests in mind, to save our lives. Should we fault him for that?
He has even described for us just what this horriying end will be like in an effort to gain our attention, through the pen of Jeremiah the Prophet, which is another scenario not to pleasent to contemplate, but again "to before-warned is to be fore-armed."
31 "The tumult reaches to the ends of the earth because the LORD brings a case against the nations. He enters into judgment with all flesh. As for the wicked, He hands them over to the sword—[This is] the LORD's declaration. 32 "This is what the LORD of Hosts says: Pay attention! Disaster goes forth from nation to nation. A great storm is stirred up from the ends of the earth." 33 Those slain by the LORD on that day will be [spread] from one end of the earth to the other. They will not be mourned, gathered, or buried. They will be like manure on the surface of the ground. 34 Wail, you shepherds, and cry out.Roll [in the dust], you leaders of the flock.Because the days of your slaughter have come, you will fall and become shattered like a precious vase. 35 Flight will be impossible for the shepherds, and escape, for the leaders of the flock. 36 [Hear] the sound of the shepherds' cry, the wail of the leaders of the flock, for the LORD is destroying their pasture. 37 Peaceful grazing land will become lifeless because of the LORD's burning anger." {Jeremiah 25:31-37 HCSB} Notice whose getting it here. The Shepherds! The leaders of the Flock! No escape for any of them. So, many who believed they were something special as teachers of God`s word were really not at all. They turned out to be nothing, but false Prophets.This too is somewhat upsetting isn't it? But again not my words; Jehovah's words. I merely copied them out, from a Bible Translation. Do you believe that I'm not deeply trouble over them? If you do, you are quite wrong; I am very troubled over them; but what can I do to reverse Jehovah's intentions? I'm nobody! Nobody at all. What about the words of Ezekiel, Jehovah gave him to Pen for us today, to describe the Battle of Armageddon; once again not my words, Jehovah's words:
21"And I will call for a sword against him throughout all my mountains, saith the Lord Jehovah:every man's sword shall be against his brother. 22And I will enter into judgment with him with pestilence and with blood; and I will rain upon him, and upon his bands, and upon the many peoples that are with him, overflowing rain and great hailstones, fire and brimstone. 23And I will magnify myself, and sanctify myself, and I will be known in the eyes of many nations, and they shall know that I [am] Jehovah."{Ezekiel 38:21-34 DT} Consider this! You have just learned something to come, something yet future. Didn't John tell us that, that, would be exactly the case at John 16:13?
Was anyone to ask me to describe what is taking place here, I would have to tell them what I see here, and I see this Worlds final conflict with one another, that while it is taking place Jehovah suddenly intervenes to bring all the madness to a halt in his own fashion, with overflowing rain, great hailstones, fire and brimstone from the invisible heavens, to end it all once and for all. My feeling is this will be when Michael the Great Prince stands up, and the Prophet Daniels time of foretold World Peril begins, and Jehovah's King takes the reigns of power. An ugly picture? True! It is! But consider after the time of World Peril comes to a final finish, the picture takes on great beauty; for now what has been missing since the fall of Adam will be returned. Love, unbounded Joy, Peace and happiness will reign supreme. God's Kingdom will have finally come, to restore everything back to its natural order. So, stop getting angry at me for telling you what the Bible says. Set the Bible aside! What do we have for any hope in the future? I'll answer! Absolutely no hope at all. This Book is our lifeline to everlasting life, but we must cling tenatiously, and follow every word to the letter; it is our road-map to everlasting life. Who wouldn't want to follow a roadmap like that? {Daniel 12:1-3} {Isaiah 14:7} {Revelation 21:3-5}
I`ve been doing a lot of thinking lately about these many false Prophets of which I myself could be one. In the Bible we read about the chosen ones, the seed of the remnant of the Woman, those that undergo the final sealing for the heavely call. On this earth now we see a wide variety of Religious Bodies, and they are easy to see, but I`ve never once in all the thirty-eight years I`ve been involved in this work crossed paths with any of the chosen ones. Any of the seed of the Woman. Any of the ones who are finally sealed. I know there are many who make claim to being such, but their works do not harmonize with the works these of the heavenly call would display. So just maybe were all in for a big kick in the ass, when those ones are gathered by the Christ, just prior to Armageddon. I no longer believe that I am anything, that the knowledge I have doesn`t mean a single thing, because I may well be one of the ones who might possibly mislead even the chosen ones. For even the false Prophets were foretold to have a lot of knowledge. So, I`ve wasted thirty-eight years of my life for absolutely nothing. Matthew 24:24 - 29-31 Revelation 7:1- 4; 12 :17-- Big Loser! Story of my life!
I`ve been letting Jehovah speak and he talked me out of the little faith I did have. As for the Chosen ones! No one knows where they are! Maybe they are not even here now. I for one don`t know where they are, and I, for sure, am not one of them. Wannabe
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The Anti-Type of ancient Israel! Can we learn who?
by wannabe in
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{matthew 25:41} {revelation 20:7-10}.

"{genesis 28:10-14 asv} three times jehovah made the same promise, so we can be absolutely certain those promises will be carried out to the letter, because the god who made those promises himself, because there was no one greater than he, stepped in with an oath, and put his own guarantee on them as paul will now explain:.

18 so god has given both his promise and his oath.
wannabe

All Time Jeff!
This entire World will be teeming with believers when Armageddon strikes this earth. You'll not find one single unbeliever at that time. Not so much as one! Wannabe
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Is Proper Worship Important to you?
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didn't he also tell her that only those worshipping in spirit and in truth were the only kind the father was looking for to worship him?

his apostles by him.

notice something here!
wannabe

Is proper Worship important to you?
Isn't it true, that those who were to worship in Spirit and in Truth were on the scene in the first Century in the form of the Apostles of the Christ? Isn't it also true that they formed the Christian Congregation back then made up of many followers of the Christ, and didn't Jesus promise them all that they would know the truth, and the truth would set me free? Did not the Christ tell the Samaritan Woman at the well-side, that, that way of worship would come to be again? Didn't he also tell her that only those worshipping in spirit and in truth were the only kind the Father was looking for to worship him? So, is it unreasonable to believe that that kind of worshipper would be on the scene right now in our own day? How would you identiy one , was you to cross paths with him today? Notice something Jesus said to his first Century followers, that doesn't apply today to Religious Christendom today, nor to anyone not worshipping in spirit and in truth today: {John 8:32} {John 4:17-24}
"I no longer call YOU slaves, because a slave does not know what his master does. But I have called YOU friends, because all the things I have heard from my Father I have made known to YOU." {John 15:15 NWT} Believe me when I say, you would not want to tackle one of these Boys in scriptural debate. You would get the spiritual socks beat off yourself if you tried to do that. They knew what the Christ knew, and absolutely no one could hold their ground with him. They were like their master, trained and schooled. Christ by the Father. His Apostles by him. All of his first Century followers by the Apostles. There was something else that put them head and shoulders over everyone else in the first Century, that you would have to watch out for today, right now: I'll show you next what that is:
"If YOU love me, YOU will observe my commandments; 16 and I will request the Father and he will give YOU another helper to be with YOU forever, 17 the spirit of the truth, which the world cannot receive, because it neither beholds it nor knows it. YOU know it, because it remains with YOU and is in YOU." {John 14:15-17 NWT}
Notice something here! It is Jesus who must request the Father for the Holy Spirit for anyone, notice too, the World in general cannot receive it, they do not see it, nor know it. As for those worshipping in Spirit and in Truth, it is with them, and in them. They see it! They know it! As for the World around them, it is spiritually Blind, and as you see, for very good reason. The World cannot obtain the Spirit of the Truth. The fact that it is with, and in those worshipping in Spirit and in Truth presents a much bigger problem for Religious Chrtistendom today, as I will go on to show why that is: {2 Corinthians 4:3,4} Try and gain the Holy Spirit if the Christ doesn't request his Father to give it to you. You're dead in water if he doesn't!
"While remaining with YOU I have spoken these things to YOU. 26 But the helper, the holy spirit, which the Father will send in my name, that one will teach YOU all things and bring back to YOUR minds all the things I told YOU." {John 14:26 NWT}
So! While this World was in Spiritual Darkness, these ones worshipping in Spirit and in Truth would know all things pertaining to the teachings of the Christ with little chance of fogetting anything, because the Holy Spirit would bring back to their minds what they needed, when they needed it. They become even a bigger problem for Religious Christendom's, adherents or scholars as their knowledge increases, because the Holy Spirit reveals things to them yet future and expands their knowledge even more, so they really are, if your a member of One of Christendom's Religions, ones not to cross paths with.
13 "However, when that one arrives, the spirit of the truth, he will guide YOU into all the truth, for he will not speak of his own impulse, but what things he hears he will speak, and he will declare to YOU the things coming." {John 16:13 NWT}
So, we see these ones worshipping in Spirit and in Truth would be guided into all Truth, coming to know even future events. Cross paths with one of these ones, you'll either regret the encounter, or if you are a lover of the Truth, you will be overjoyed that you did.
You will find none of these seated in the Pews of any of Christendom's Church's, for they know where their teachings come from, and would never insult the Holy Spirit by being seated there.
"These things I write YOU about those who are trying to mislead YOU. 27 And as for YOU, the anointing that YOU received from him remains in YOU, and YOU do not need anyone to be teaching YOU; but, as the anointing from him is teaching YOU about all things, and is true and is no lie, and just as it has taught YOU, remain in union with him." {1 John 2:27 NWT}
"Nevertheless, the hour is coming, and it is now, when the true worshipers will worship the Father with spirit and truth, for, indeed, the Father is looking for suchlike ones to worship him. 24 God is a Spirit, and those worshiping him must worship with spirit and truth." {John 4:23,24 NWT}
Hello! Hello! We are on the scene right now, and absolutely nothing has changed. Look for individuals today who are chosen to worship in Spirit and in Truth, who have been guided into all truth; those that need no one to teach them the Bible; because of being anointed with the Holy Spirit, and that is because we worship in spirit and in truth. Any other way of Worship will not receive the anointing of Holy Spirit.
Oh! Yes! I said Chosen! No one can choose of their own volition to worship in spirit and in truth. You must first be chosen by Jehovah; Jehovah hands you over to his Son; from then on Knowledge will flow like a river, and you'll be worshipping in spirit and in truth, as required. {John 17:9,14}
Jesus said to him: "I am the way and the truth and the life. No one comes to the Father except through me." {John 14:6 NWT}
"No man can come to me
unless the Father, who sent me, draws him; and I will resurrect him in the last day."
unless the Father, who sent me, draws him; and I will resurrect him in the last day."
{John 6:44 NWT}
Try and approach the Christ to Worship in Spirit and in Truth, if the Father doesn't draw you to his Son; and let me know how you make out. If your not drawn to the Son by the Father, you're a done dinner.
So, they were there in the first Century, they are here right now today; the question is where are they? Jesus mentioned them at Matthew 24:24 as the chosen ones. The Apostle John mentioned them as the remnant of the seed of the Woman, who had the work of bearing witness to Jesus. {Revelation 12:17} He also mentioned there would be a final sealing of these ones just prior to the outbreak of the great tribulation. {Revelation 7:1-4} Matthew in telling us about the time the Christ came into Kingdom power mentioned the Christ and the angels would gather them from the four winds from one extremity of the heavens to the other extremity; so they have to be here somewhere, do they not? }Matthew 24:29-31}
The question now is, where are they? They have to be on this earth somewhere right now. Is it possible you may have been in conversation with one of them and not have known it? The parable of the sheep and the goats would seem to indicate that is exactly the case. Let's look at that parable now:
"When the Son of man arrives in his glory, and all the angels with him, then he will sit down on his glorious throne. 32 And all the nations will be gathered before him, and he will separate people one from another, just as a shepherd separates the sheep from the goats. 33 And he will put the sheep on his right hand, but the goats on his left. 34 "Then the king will say to those on his right, ‘Come, YOU who have been blessed by my Father, inherit the kingdom prepared for YOU from the founding of the world. 35 For I became hungry and YOU gave me something to eat; I got thirsty and YOU gave me something to drink. I was a stranger and YOU received me hospitably; 36 naked, and YOU clothed me. I fell sick and YOU looked after me. I was in prison and YOU came to me.’ 37 Then the righteous ones will answer him with the words, ‘Lord, when did we see you hungry and feed you, or thirsty, and give you something to drink? 38 When did we see you a stranger and receive you hospitably, or naked, and clothe you? 39 When did we see you sick or in prison and go to you?’ 40 And in reply the king will say to them, ‘Truly I say to YOU, To the extent that YOU did it to one of the least of these my brothers, YOU did it to me.’ 41 "Then he will say, in turn, to those on his left, ‘Be on YOUR way from me, YOU who have been cursed, into the everlasting fire prepared for the Devil and his angels. 42 For I became hungry, but YOU gave me nothing to eat, and I got thirsty, but YOU gave me nothing to drink. 43 I was a stranger, but YOU did not receive me hospitably; naked, but YOU did not clothe me; sick and in prison, but YOU did not look after me.’ 44 Then they also will answer with the words, ‘Lord, when did we see you hungry or thirsty or a stranger or naked or sick or in prison and did not minister to you?’ 45 Then he will answer them with the words, ‘Truly I say to YOU, To the extent that YOU did not do it to one of these least ones, YOU did not do it to me.’ 46 And these will depart into everlasting cutting-off, but the righteous ones into everlasting life."{Matthew 25:31-46 NWT}
Notice in this Parable? Neither the Sheep-like ones, nor the Goat-like ones knew just whom they were talking to. For both classes are found to be saying: "When did we see you?" So, whatever they did or didn't do was likened as to being done, or not done, to the Christ.
We notice the Goats end up being cursed and thrown into the lake of fire. While the Sheep inherit the Kingdom, prepared for those sheep-like ones who were found to be worshipping in spirit and in truth. It doesn't directly state that, but they quite obviously were. Otherwise they would have been thrown into the lake of fire as well. It stands to reason that only those worshipping the Father as he desired would inherit the Kingdom.
One might well be thinking," how many make up these Goats on the left hand of disfavor" The Apostle John had told us, that the World around THEM was 'lying in the power of the wicked one.' He further told us that satan is misleading the entire inhabited earth, and Paul told us that as god of this World satan had Blinded the minds of all of them. So, these Goat's picture the entire World of Mankind, Locked under satan's power, with only those worshipping in spirit and in truth on the right hand of Christ's favor. {1 John 5:19} {Revelation 12:9} {2 Corinthians 4:3,4} The Prophet Isaiah foretold the time of World destruction, and he foretold there would only be a few survivors left over in the earth, after the War of Armageddon was over; these survivors of course would have to be only those found to be Worshipping in Spirit and in Truth as required, but few in number as opposed to the many Millions killed who were not found to be Worshipping in Spirit and in Truth, but had possessed only a mere lifeless form of Godly devotion that proved false to its power, as Paul had foretold. {Isaiah 24:1-6} {2 Timothy 3:1-5} Jesus as well, in harmony with Isaiah the Prophet foretold that only a few were on the road to life, while MANY were on the broad road to destruction. {Matthew 7:13,14} Just who would know better than Jesus and Isaiah the Prophet? Jesus had warned: "Exert yourself vigourously to get in through the narror door, because many, I tell you, will seek to get in, but will not be able." {Luke 13:24} The Governing Body of Jehovah's Witnesses will tell you a great unnumbered crowd will survive the great tribulation, and go so far as to tell you that they are gathering that great crowd. Oh! Really? Isaiah and Jesus didn't know what they were talking about by telling us that only a few would survive, and be on the road to life? Are we to believe that the very Son of God didn't know what he was talking about? That an inspired Prophet of God, didn't either, who had clearly told us only a few would survive Armageddon. Over them we are to take the word of a false Prophet who has established a record of 130 years of failed predictions and false prophecies? Give it a serious shake people.
Some serious questions are in order now, that if you cannot answer in the affirmative, you have a very serious problem that needs to be immediately addressed. Are you absolutely certain, beyond a shadow of any doubt, and you can prove that you actully are, now Worshipping in Spirit and in Truth, as required by Jehovah? Does Jehovah consider you as belonging to him? Because he knows all who do. {2 Timothy 2:19} Are you certain he knows you? You can prove that Jehovah has drawn you to his Son, thereby giving you free access to himself? You can prove the Holy Spirit is WITH YOU, and IN YOU as it was the Apostles? {John 14:`15-17} That the Christ has petitioned the Father on your behalf that the Holy Spirit be given to you? That because of being in possession of said Holy Spirit you know everything that the Father had taught the Son? {John 15:15} Who in turn taught his Apostles, in the first Century? Is the Holy Spirit by gradual process leading you into ALL TRUTH as it did the Apostle's? {John 14:26;16:13} Have you been anointed with the Holy Spirit so that now you do not need anyone to be teaching you the Bible? {1 John 2:27} Are you absolutely certain that you have been granted to understand the Holy Writings, and to that end have had your mind fully opened to grasp the meaning of the scriptures? {Matthew 13:11} {Luke 24:45}
An affirmative answer to all of these questions means your very life so give all of these questions some very serious consideration, because you do not tell Jehovah! He tells You! You Listen Closely! Those that really do Worship in Spirit and in Truth know full well the only way to be performing Worship such as this is by Listening Attentively with your ears, and not with your mouth, as does Religious Christendom, as well, as many others do today. The noise they make with their mouths drowns out the clear, pure, message of Truth delivered by the Holy Spirit. For that reason they do not understand what proper Worship really is! Their ears and eyes are non-functional, and how could they be anything else but, being under the power and control of satan the devil, who himself could not stand fast in the Truth. {John 8:44} How important is Proper Worship to YOU? Do you know how to Worship in Spirit and in Truth? If you do not, I suggest to you; you'd better find out in a hurry.Wannabe
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What constituted the Trampling on Jerusalem?
by wannabe in
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what constituted the trampling on jerusalem?.

i do not believe, the appointed times of the nations began running in 607 bce!

nor do i believe they ran for a period of 2,520 years ending in 1914!
wannabe

What constituted the Trampling on Jerusalem?
I do not believe, the Appointed Times of the Nations began running in 607 BCE! Nor do I believe they ran for a period of 2,520 years ending in 1914! That is an interpretation set forward by a False Prophet who themselves have established a record of 130 years of failed predictions and false prophecies, and because of that record alone, needs to be examined more thoroughly, with the warning of the Apostle John in mind; which warning was: "Do not believe every inspired expression, but test the inspired expressions to see whether they originate with God, because many false prophets have gone forth into the World. {1 John 4:1}
Examine thoroughly the Words of Luke here, before we go taking anyones word for anything:
24"They will fall by the sword and will be taken as prisoners to all the nations. Jerusalem will be trampled on by the Gentiles until the times of the Gentiles are fulfilled." {Luke 21:24 NIV}
From Lukes words I would pick up, that those appointed times were already in progress when he said what he did. "Until the times of the Gentiles are fulfilled." Would seem to me to be running when he said that. The Bible actually points to that as a fact.
My dictionary defines this word fulfilled as: "To bring to an end: Complete- We know Jesus fulfilled the Mosaic Law, and by establishing the New Covenant by virtue of his precious Blood, ended the old Law Covenant. So from that we learn when the Gentile Times end, all of the existing Nations that are on this earth now, will be wiped from the face of this earth, leaving not a trace of any one of them. Will be just as gone as the old law is.
The Prophet Daniel foretold that huge event. When all the Nations are wiped from this earth. So my statement is solidly based by the scriptures, as you will see from the following:35 "Then the iron, the clay, the bronze, the silver and the gold were broken to pieces at the same time and became like chaff on a threshing floor in the summer. The wind swept them away without leaving a trace. But the rock that struck the statue became a huge mountain and filled the whole earth." {Daniel 2:35 NIV}
With this foretold World Destruction the Gentile Times will end. God's Kingdom will be firmly established. Controling then the entire earth. So, we tested and learned what fulfilled means, in this case. Anyone who doubts that read Zephanaih 1:14-18 and become a believer in quick time. Now! Would anyone be able to supply us a date for this major event? The Governing Body believes they can. Oh! Really? They know the 'day and hour' that not even Jesus knows? {Matthew 24:36}
Lets do some testing of this Word trampling now, and see what we can come up with. I wonder what connotation that word has?
tram·ple tram·pled, tram·pling, tram·ples
1.
To beat down with the feet so as to crush, bruise, or destroy; tramp on. 2. To treat harshly or ruthlessly: would trample anyone who got in their way. To tread heavily or destructively: trampling on the flowers. 2.To inflict injury as if by treading heavily: "trampling on the feelings of those about you" (Thornton
Does the Bible supply any evidence where this trampling might have been foretold; where Jehovah's Worshippers would be treated harshly and ruthlessly having personal injuries inflicted upon them? Jesus himself showed us the truth of this brutal treatment in Matthew 23:33-36 where great persecution was heaped on the faithful Prophets during the days of the Israelite Nation. Even down to his own day when they murdered him and Stoned Stephen to death. 1 Kings 19:10,14} {2 Chronicles 36:15,16} We know for a Certainty that Jesus and Stephen pictured Heavenly New Jerusalem; because Jesus was ruling King of Heavenly New Jerusalem, while Stephen was an associate King Priest to rule with him.
Notice why this violent hatred towards Jehovah's ancient Prophets the Christ, and his anointed Brothers, and the seed of the Heavenly Woman today: The trampling on Jerusalem, the hatred, and abuse, can be explained away, by this following scripture:
15" I will put hostility between you and the woman, and between your seed and her seed. He will strike your head, and you will strike his heel." {Genesis 3:15 HCSB}
All down through the Centuries this hatred or enmity has gone on between the two seeds; satan's seed, has persecuted and murdered Jehovah's Prophets, right up until the time of Christ, and was foretold to carry it forward to our own day. It will come to a final end at Armageddon . It began with the murder of Able, by Cain, the seed of satan the devil. No one knows the date it all began! No one knows how long it has run. No one knows when it will end. {Matthew 24:9} {Revelation 12:4,13,17}
Read the account in Hebrews 11 about exactly what Jehovah's ancient People were put through; they experienced a trampling beyond belief. Can you imagine yourself being held down on a table and literally sawn in half? Or being hacked to death with a Sword? Or you name the method of murder satan could devise. We probably do not know the half of it. Maybe never will.
What those ancient people were put through, although you may not have zeroed in on this yet, was the great tribulation John's account tells us the great unnumbered crowd comes from. They were the great crowd standing before the Throne, with palm branches in their hands. They all came out of the resurrection. Where else could you get an unnumbered crowd from? Certainly never from a numbered populated earth.
We must face the facts! There is only one Jerusalem left now that could possibly experience any trampling. That is the one, that came into being because of the established New Covenant. That one was Heavenly Mount Zion. Heavenly New Jerusalem, the Jerusalem above, the City of the Living God. Ancient Jerusalem has no more bearing on anything. You cannot count from 607 BCE 2,520 years until New Jerusalem was restored, because it was not restored in 1914. Nor was it destroyed in 607 BCE. To this day, it is not restored. Will not be until the Christ does actually come into Kingdom Power, and wipes these trampling Nations from the face of this earth. When that very large momentous event occurs, the Trampling on New Jerusalem will at last end. Those Gentile Times are still in progress. Did not end in 1914. Did not run for a period of 2,520 years. You don't believe me? Then believe these following scriptures that tell you about the changeover, from earthly to heavenly. {Hebrews 12: 18-24} {Revelation 3:12;21:2,10} {Galatians 4:26}
While it's true Jehovah's Line of earthly Kings that sat on his Throne at Jerusalem was destroyed in 607 BCE and it did run for a period of 2,520 years landing in the year 1914 as believed, but what event was it that actually occured in that year? Was it the end of something, such as the appointed times of the Nations, or rather was it the beginning of something? What does the scriptural evidence point to as to what actually occured? My feelings are, this seven time prophecy in Daniel Chapter four did not at all signify the end of the appointed Times of the Nations. My belief is, Luke was not making reference to that in Luke 21:24. Recall Daniel's Prophecy had to do with the loss and restoration of two Kingdoms. King Nebuchadnezzer lost his earthly Kingdom until seven times had passed over him. When the seven times as it applied to King Nebuchadnezzer ended, his Kingdom was restored to him. But Jehovah's Kingship that would be restored was not earthly, it was a heavenly Kingship; where earthly Jerusalem would be replaced by Heavenly New Jerusalem. Note the folowing, and pay close arttetion to this prophecy, it is very revealing:
"And as for you, O deadly wounded, wicked chieftain of Israel, whose day has come in the time of the error of [the] end, 26 this is what the Sovereign Lord Jehovah has said, ‘Remove the turban, and lift off the crown. This will not be the same. Put on high even what is low, and bring low even the high one. 27 A ruin, a ruin, a ruin I shall make it. As for this also, it will certainly become no [one’s] until he comes who has the legal right, and I must give [it] to him.’
Jehovah is here telling us, in so many words, that when his Kingship was restored, it would not be an earthly kingdom anymore, but a Heavenly Kingdom. It would as it says, not be the same. The one with the legal right was the King designate of God's KIngdom, and when restored it would now be Heavenly New Jerusalem, the Jerusalem above, the City of the living God. Now earthly Mount Zion had changed, to Heavenly Mount Zion.
So the Trampling on Jerusalem, could not have been Heavenly New Jerusalem, because it wasn't in existence in 607 BCE. for one thing.The New covenant was not inuagerated until 29 ce. When the Christ was Baptized by John, but even then almost two thousands years would pass until it actualy came into power. Then too, it must be considered that Luke was a future ruling king priest of Heavenly New Jerusalem, the Jerusalem above which is where his focus would have been, and Luke would have known that trampling would go on until the time the Christ took his ruling authority as King of God's Kingdom. Until that event occured the Gentile Nations would be put on high, while Jehovah's Throne City would be brought low. Raised on high once again when the Lowliest one of Mankind took over the reigns of Power. The Appointed times of the Nations would continue until the lowliest one of Mankind took Kingdom power. We await that marvelous event now, as the appointed times of the Nations still continue to this day, because the lowiest one of Mankind did not take the reigns of Kingdom power in the year 1914, as taught by the Governing Body of Jehovah`s Witnesses. That is just one other false prophecy to add to the long list of many others they have made. Getting to be old Hat!" By now we all should be quite used to their foolish blunders. I wonder if they were just born dumb, or are they just practicing?
But as regards God's Kingdom that Prophecy must have had some significance, landing on 1914 as it did. Yes! It did! Let me point out what that was, and it wasn't the Christ exercising his ruling authority as reigning King. As the Governing Body teaches it was. Would you believe another Watchtower Blunder? Believe it! It was, and still is.
Tie this following scripture in with the sign of the coming of Christ into Kingdom power, and in your mind picture all the events Jesus foretold would be occuring just prior to his Coming.
Think about a Woman going through actual Labor pains of Birth; how they increase and intensify until the Child is Berthed. Now think about all of the sign Jesus gave of his coming. A time of increasing World distress and trouble, slowly developing into the time of this Worlds greatest peril; so great it would have to be cut short to save the lives of the chosen ones. Recall now these words of Jesus:
"Now learn from the fig tree as an illustration this point: Just as soon as its young branch grows tender and it puts forth leaves, YOU know that summer is near. 33 Likewise also YOU, when YOU see all these things, know that he is near at the doors. 34 Truly I say to YOU that this generation will by no means pass away until all these things occur." {Matthew 24:32-34 NWT}
Don't miss the point Jesus as drawing out here, he tells us that even when the entire sign of his coming was seen in evidence, he would only be NEAR but not here as yet. This point shows us the Governing Body is wrong again, because Jesus could not have been invisibly present as crowned King in 1914 at all. Are we to believe Jesus was laying a little track on us? Absolutely not, but the Governing Body sure as Hell is, and not a little, one Hell of a Whole lot of track.
All of those events are birth pangs of the Kingdom, or as they occur labor pains of Jehovah's Pregnant Woman who began manifesting those labor pains in the year 1914- Note John's words:
1 "Then I witnessed in heaven an event of great significance. I saw a woman clothed with the sun, with the moon beneath her feet, and a crown of twelve stars on her head. 2 She was pregnant, and she cried out because of her labor pains and the agony of giving birth." {Revelatiion 12:1 NWT}
What were those labor pains? They were Wars and Rumors of Wars, earthquakes, famine disease, plagues, pestilence, increasing of lawlessness. Matthew 24- Mark 13- Luke 21 -
So Daniel's seven time prophecy pointed to the birth of God's long awaited Kingdom. But not the appointed times of the Nations. That notion is from the mind of a false Prophet.
John has just told you what Daniels seven time propecy landed on. It was the beginning of the Birth of God's Kingdom, not the end of anything as in Appointed Times of the Nations. That sign is still going on now, how far along that pregnant Heavenly Woman is, I'm not prepared to say; reason being, I don't know. What we do know, is we're somewhere close; how close? I don't know that either. All we can do, is keep a close eye on the sign; as it devolpes in intensity should at least give us some idea; but my feeling is, it will probably reach a point of intensity so great that we'll all know, we're right at the doorstep of the Kingdom. We'll never know the exact Day or Hour, but maybe we will not need to know that anyway. Why would we? Would it make any difference even if we did? Might just make matters worse.Wannabe
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Never Quit! Never give up!
by wannabe in
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never quit - never give up!it may well be, i put this post on once before, but when did a litle extra encouragement ever hurt anyone?

we need all we can get during these last critical days, don't we?.

how many of us at various stages of our life have not felt like king david, because of our inherited tendency towards sin?
wannabe

Never quit - Never give up!
It may well be, I put this post on once before, but when did a litle extra encouragement ever hurt anyone? We need all we can get during these last critical Days, don't we?
How many of us at various stages of our life have not felt like King David, because of our inherited tendency towards sin? David had this to say about his sinful state, and his inability to gain the mastery over them: "For troubles without number surround me; my sins have overtaken me, and I cannot see. They are more than the hairs of my head, and my heart fails within me." "My guilt has overwhelmed me, like a burden too heavy to bear. My wounds fester and are loathsome because of my sinful folly. I am bowed down and brought very low, all day long I go about mourning" ... ... "I groan in anguish of heart. [Psalm 40:12;38:3-6} How many of us haven't felt as did King David over some sinful tendency that was difficult to gain the mastery over, but do we just give up and quit trying? Never may that be true! Remembering, as we should, something that will always serve to lift our spirits are the words found at Ecclesiastes 7:20 "There is no man righteous in the earth that keeps doing good and does not sin." So, King David wasn't alone with his grief over his sinfull condition.
Can we not all relate to King Davids feelings as focused on in those Psalms? So, was David in a hopeless state with no way out of his dilemma? Not at all! Neither are we, who feel as did King David about our sinful condition. David would have known the Psalm at Chapter 130:3 that tells us: "If you, O LORD, kept a record of sin, O LORD, who could stand? But with you there is forgiveness; therefore you are feared."
David knew what was necessary to do to gain Jehovah's forgiveness. For David explains what he had to do, and what we have to do to gain Jehovah's forgiveness at Psalms 32:5 where we read this: "Then I acknowledged my sin to you and did not cover my iniquity. I said, "I will confess my transgressions to the LORD" and you forgave the guilt of my sin." Yes! We follow Davids example, and confess our sins to Jehovah, and he will forgive all of our sins, and set our minds at rest, and peace.
The Apostle James tells us that we "all stumble [sin] in many ways. If anyone is never at fault in what he says, he is a perfect man/woman, able to keep his whole body in check." [James 3:2] None of us are perfect men or women, and that being the case we will stumble into sin at various times. When we have a fall, do we just lay there? No! We get up, brush ourselves off and start all over again. Remembering that Jehovah forgives us when we confess our sins to him.
How do we know for certain that Jehovah will forgive us, if we fall into sin because of inherited weakness. Because of what is written in the following Psalm at Chapter 103: 8-14. That reads: "The LORD is compassionate and gracious, slow to anger, abounding in love. He will not always accuse, nor will he harbor his anger forever; he does not treat us as our sins deserve or repay us according to our iniquities. For as high as the heavens are above the earth, so great is his love for those who fear him; as far as the east is from the west, so far has he removed our transgressions from us, as a Father has compassion on his children so the LORD has compassion on those who fear him; for he knows how we are formed, he remembers that we are dust."
With all of that in mind, when we fall, and we will at times, but we keep getting up. We never quit - we never give up! Wannabe
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Giving Blasphemous Teachings the Coup-De Grace!
by wannabe in
1. watchtower
2. beliefs
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wannabe

Giving Blaspemous teachings the Coup-De- Grace!
Three of the most strongly entrenched teachings of Religious Christendom are the Trinity Doctrine for one, which in itself is nothing short of Blasphemy. Along with that teaching are the teaching of the Immortality of the human soul, which runs the Trinity a very close second. In third place and equally as blasphemous is the teaching of torment in a fiery Hell for all eternity. None of which teachings are taught in the Holy Bible; and for one to even suggest that they are true teachings, are guilty themselves of blasphemy, against the Holy Spirit; for which there is no foregiveness forever. I say that because Jehovah guided and directed his Holy Men of old to pen his message to mankind, by means of his Holy Spirit and to teach something that Jehovah's Holy Spirit did not put into the minds of his Bible writers, would be tantmount to lying against the Holy Spirit. Two people in the first Century were struck dead on the spot for doing that, showing us just how serious a matter it was to do that. {Acts 5:1-11} {2 Peter 1:20,21}
Jehovah has equipped his faithful Worshippers today with spiritual weaponry that enables them to expose all of these false teachings, in a way, that cannot be sensibly argued, or twisted as they do to support their false doctrines. This spiritual weaponry strips them of all arguement, and shuts their mouths as to bring these liars to silence, as it puts them to shame, and public disgrace for telling their lies in the first place. Notice what Paul had to say about this spiritual weaponry we possess today:
"For the weapons of our warfare are not fleshly, but powerful by God for overturning strongly entrenched things. 5 For we are overturning reasonings and every lofty thing raised up against the knowledge of God; and we are bringing every thought into captivity to make it obedient to the Christ;" {2 Corinthians 10:4,5 NWT} Closely following Paul's words here, let me now go on to use this powerful weaponry to overturn these strongly entrenched false teachings, that are raised up against the knowledge of Jehovah God, that appear in the form of the Trinity the Immortal soul, the Torment in a fiery Hell. Let me bring down these, Oh! So lofty things, and expose them all for the filthy rank garbage that they are. I will now use these weapons to show exactly why they are false teachings and why they could not be anything else but false. Using first to begin with the words of Jesus:
"If YOU love me, YOU will observe my commandments; 16and I will request the Father and he will give YOU another helper to be with YOU forever, 17 the spirit of the truth, which the world cannot receive, because it neither beholds it nor knows it. YOU know it, because it remains with YOU and is in YOU." {John 14:15-17 NWT}
We see the first step to the knowledge of God is to have the Christ petition his Father on our behalfs for the Holy Spirit. To move the Christ to do that for us requires of us to be loving Jesus and showing that love by obeying his Commandments. Let us not overlook Jesus words at John 14:6, which words was:
Jesus said to him: "I am the way and the truth and the life. No one comes to the Father except through me." {John 14:6 NWT}
For anything at all to happen we must first gain entrance to the Christ, who himself was the only way to the Father. Paul mentions the reason for that at 1 Timothy 2:5
5 "For there is one God, and one mediator between God and men, a man, Christ Jesus, 6 who gave himself a corresponding ransom for all—[this is] what is to be witnessed to at its own particular times." {1 Timothy 2:5 NWT} So! Only ONE approach to the Father! That has to be through Jesus, it cannot be done any other way. Only Jesus is that ONE mediator. But now we must find the way of approach to the Christ. Is that something that's just done automatically? Absolutely not! John again will show why that is:
44 "No man can come to me unless the Father, who sent me, draws him; and I will resurrect him in the last day. 45 It is written in the Prophets, ‘And they will all be taught by Jehovah.’ Everyone that has heard from the Father and has learned comes to me." {John 6:44 NWT}
So! Jehovah's Powerful hand is involved in this as we might expect. It is Jehovah who selects the ones to be drawn to his Son. No man takes that honor to himself. If Jehovah doesn't draw someone then there's no approach even possible to the Son. Think about this for a moment. Would Jehovah draw someone who he knew would teach a Doctrine that would misrepresent him? Misrepresent his Son? Misrepresent his Holy Spirit? Would he draw anyone he knew would twist his Holy Word and teach Doctrines such as the Immortality of the human soul, or that he would Torment people for endless eternity in a blazing fire? No! Obviously he wouldn't; but he would know the reason why they were teaching those lying doctrines, would he not? Of course he would. He told us exactly why they would be on the scene, and why they would teach the lies they teach. I'll now go on to cover that, so all of you will know why:
Recall now, these words of Jesus:
and I will request the Father and he will give YOU another helper to be with YOU forever, 17
the spirit of the truth, which the world cannot receive, because it neither beholds it nor knows it. YOU know it, because it remains with YOU and is in YOU."
Jesus has told us, that this World cannot receive the Spirit of the Truth. It neither sees it or knows it. It does not remain with them, nor is it in them. Only the ones Jehovah selects will know it, and see it. It will be with them and in them. Merely this one fact alone should tell us that the only thing these false teachers could possibly teach is error; but never any truth of the Bible. Lacking the Holy Spirit that would be virtually impossible for them to do. That is merely the tip of the Iceberg though, for their problems go much deeper than only lacking the Holy Spirit, which alone is enough to show their teachings are falsehoods. Lacking the Holy Spirit would mean they are not even granted to understand the Holy Writings, which is another devastating blow to them. Matthew will explain that, as he mentiions something that applies only to those Jehovah personally selected:
In reply he said: "To YOU it is granted to understand the sacred secrets of the kingdom of the heavens, but to those people it is not granted." {Matthew 13:11 NWT}
Highlited in red, are those of this World, lacking the Holy Spirit who are not granted to understand the Holy Writings. Conversely those personally selected by Jehovah were granted to understand. These ones not granted are even in more trouble as Luke will focus on next:
45 "Then he opened up their minds fully to grasp the meaning of the Scriptures, 46 and he said to them: "In this way it is written that the Christ would suffer and rise from among the dead on the third day, 47 and on the basis of his name repentance for forgiveness of sins would be preached in all the nations—starting out from Jerusalem, 48 YOU are to be witnesses of these things." {Luke 24:45 NWT} A side point is brought out here. Notice they were not preaching the good news of the kingdom as done by the Watchtowewr Society. They themselves do not see what the work they should be doing is. They too are spiritually blind.
Once again! Those personally selected by Jehovah had, had their minds fully opened to grasp the meaning of the scriptures, this of course obligated them to have, and do, the work of bearing witness to Jesus, which of course they did then, and will do now as well. The World would not have their minds fully opened, so would not understand the Holy Writings when they read them; hence the production of false Prophets, and as Jesus had predicted many of them would arise. The World's Christian's not understanding would never be found witnessing to Jesus, because they would have no idea what that witness work entailed, or was all about. {Revelation 12:17} {Matthew 24:11,24}
I'll go on to further show why that was, by citing the words of John once more:
"We know we originate with God, but the whole world is lying in the [power of the] wicked one." {1 John 5:19 NWT}
We see only this World is lying in the power of the wicked one {satan the devil} while those selected by Jehovah, satan has no hold on, while John informs us that satan is misleading the entire inhabited earth. Note his words on this:
"So down the great dragon was hurled, the original serpent, the one called Devil and Satan, who is misleading the entire inhabited earth; he was hurled down to the earth, and his angels were hurled down with him." {Revelation 12:9 NWT}
Keep these five points in mind as I continue with this: This World under satan's power is devoid of the Holy Spirit; that in itself is devastating enough for them, for without it they cannot gain any knowledge of the Bible. None at all! That being true, then, they are not even granted to understand the Holy Writings, nor have they had their minds fully opened to grasp the meaning of the Holy Writings. Then too, John said this whole entire World is under the power and control of satan the devil; that he is misleading the entire inhabited earth.
Now! Is it any wonder we find such teachings as the Trinity Doctrine? Is it any wonder we find the teaching of the Immortality of the human soul? Is it any wonder we find the doctrine of torment in a fiery hell for all eternity? Consider one last thing I've been saving for my coup - de - grace:
"If, now, the good news we declareis in fact veiled, it is veiled among those who are perishing, 4 among whom the god of this system of things has blinded the minds of the unbelievers, that the illumination of the glorious good news about the Christ, who is the image of God, might not shine through. " {2 Corinthians 4:3,4 NWT}
Satan the god of this world, holds these Trinitarian's, along with all the rest of Religious Christendom in his Power. He blinds them! He misleads them! That is equally true with those who teach the immortality of the Human soul. Or Hell-Fire Doctrine. None of them are granted to understand the Holy Writings. None of them have had their minds fully opened to grasp the meaning of the scriptures. So, they could never in their life-times understand the illumination of the glorious good news about the Christ; not understanding the Christ, they would also not understand his Father, and not knowing or seeing the Holy Spirit, it being not with them or in them, they never in their lives could understand a word of the Bible. Nor even understand the Holy Spirit. To describe it properly to anyone. That all being true, then, just by what means could they ever possibly set forth an accurate description of the Father, the Son and the Holy Spirit? They lack the essential ingredient that would enable them to properly do that accurate describing. For it is the Holy Spirit in the hands now of the Christ that does all of the teaching of God's Word now. Are we to believe that the Christ would involve himself with Religious Teachers that were not granted to understand his Fathers word? Are we to believe that he would involve himself with those who have not had their minds fully opened, who were teaching false doctrine? Are we to believe he would involve himself with those held under satan's power, who were blinded and misled by him, and simply loved it that way?
No! It is now, as it was in the first Century, only now, more so; it was the Christ who was the one leader and one teacher in the first Century. He was the one who made everything his Father had taught him, known, to all of his followers in the first Century. That is the exact same thing he does now, because he is the only one that controls the Holy Spirit as a teaching instrument, now and in the first century as well. Relgious Christendom has no business picking up the Bible professing to be teachers of it, because, at best, all they can teach anyone is lies, in the spiritual condition they are in. They are Blind misled teachers all lying in satan's power, not granted to understand the Book they claim to be teachers of, not having their minds fully opened to grasp the meaning of the scriptures. In their Blind spiritual condition they usurp the power and position of the Christ, taking seats that are not theirs to take, but belong solely to the Christ and to no one else. But too Blind to even know what they are doing. They do not take these following words of Jesus seriously:
"But YOU, do not YOU be called Rabbi, for one is YOUR teacher, whereas all YOU are brothers. 9 Moreover, do not call anyone YOUR father on earth, for one is YOUR Father, the heavenly One. 10 Neither be called ‘leaders,’ for YOUR Leader is one, the Christ. 11 But the greatest one among YOU must be YOUR minister. 12 Whoever exalts himself will be humbled, and whoever humbles himself will be exalted." {Matthew 23:8-10 NWT} {John 15:15} {Acts 2:33} {John 7:16}
Jesus true followers would be humble submissive individuals, not presumptuously pushing ahead taking seats that were not their own to take. As Christendom's Puffed up arrogant Religious leaders do. They will all end up being severely humbled. While his true followers will be exalted, for being the humble ones that they were and are. They knew who the one teacher and one Leader really was and is today and it was never any one of them; and they knew that. So, they knew their place and stayed in it.
Something else of crucial importance must be remembered too. Ask yourselves: "Who is the source of all Bible Knowledge? Who did Jehovah send to deliver his message to mankind? Was it not his own Son, Jesus Christ? Because of that didn't Jesus say: "And you will know the Truth, and the Truth will set you free?" Who did it set free first? Wasn't it the Iraelite Nation who were slaves while under the Mosaic Law?
"Tell me, YOU who want to be under law, Do YOU not hear the Law? 22 For example, it is written that Abraham acquired two sons, one by the servant girl and one by the free woman; 23 but the one by the servant girl was actually born in the manner of flesh, the other by the free woman through a promise. 24 These things stand as a symbolic drama; for these [women] mean two covenants, the one from Mount Si´nai, which brings forth children for slavery, and which is Ha´gar. 25 Now this Ha´gar means Si´nai, a mountain in Arabia, and she corresponds with the Jerusalem today, for she is in slavery with her children. 26 But the Jerusalem above is free, and she is our mother." {Galatians 4:21-24 NWT}
Had those early Jews had accepted the Messiah, they would have come under the New Covenant, and would then have been Children of the Free Woman, Jerusalem above, and would have no longer been children in slavery. They would have then been Children of the free Woman. Jerusalem above would have then been their Mother. They would have been set free from the Mosaic Law. Which they never could follow anyway, and really never tried to.
So, Jesus in teaching what his Father taught him worked out to be exactly as he said, did it not? It was the truth, as he said it was. Gained from the God of Truth, Jehovah. Would this God of truth all through the Law, the Psalms and the Prophet's, who guided the Bible Writers to reveal himself as one Single God with no equal, suddenly turn all that around and begin telling everyone, that the Father was God, the Son was God, the Holy Spirit was God? In similar fashion, throughout the synoptic Gospels where through the pens of his Bible writers again reveals himself as one single God with no equal, without informing anyone that he had now changed all of that to, the Father was God, the Son was God, the Holy Spirit was God? After his own Son had revealed his Father as only One single God with no equal? Much greater than himself.
All of that changing done because individuals held under the power of satan, blinded and misled by him, had themselves changed it? Individuals that could not come to know the Holy Spirit, it wasn't with them or in them, as it was with the followers of the Christ? Individuals who had not been granted to understand the Holy Writings? Who had not had their minds fully opened to grasp the meaning of the scriptures? Who did not appreciate the fact that the entire Israelite Nation was a Monotheistic way of worship! They knew and worshipped only one single God with no equal. So, neither the ancient Nation of Israel, nor the first Century Christian's worshipped any triune, or viscious three headed God. That now Jehovah himself has done what he forbids anyone to do; that is alter, or change a word he has spoken. Trinitarian's without any scriptural back-up what-so-ever will try to tell us that Jehovah is now three God's . They would have us believe that without any notice what-so-ever he has changed his entire Bible to suit their teachings of blasphemy.
I'm thinking the trouble they are in is well beyond description. I will not even delve into that, it's a touch too frightening for me.
I don't know if anyone is smart enough to pick up on this or not, but I have just dealt a final death blow to three Blasphemous teachings. Call it the Coup - De - Grace - All three are now stone ... cold ... dead! Now there's an even better threesome! To describe their teachings of Blasphemy. Stone... Cold ... and now quite Dead! Leave that filthy dead body where I've put it. Don't dig it up again.
Look where you will throughout the entire Realm of Religious Christendom; you will find they do not even have the milk of the word, without which they cannot grow to salvation; much less the heavier meatier Spiritual food, because there's only one way to get that; and that is by having the guidance and direction of the Holy Spirit. Now in the hands of the Christ. {Acts 2:33} Was they to have that, the following scriptures will show just what would occur in their case... {John 14:15-17,26;16:13 1 John 2:27} Not being able to obtain that, it will never occur for them. They remain, ever, and always, Spiritually Blind. Controlled by satan the devil the Father of the lie! Their "perceptive powers never being trained to distinguish both right and wrong." Being his Children, all they can teach is lying Blasphemy. That's exactly the way satan would have it. They never fail to give satan exactly what he wants. As they suck away on their empty Spiritual Bottles. That do not even contain the milk of the word. {1 Peter 2:2} {Hebrews 5:12-14} Wannabe
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A World Suddenly Teeming with Believers!
by wannabe in
1. watchtower
2. bible
a world suddenly teeming with believers!.

i'm wondering if it's for the following, prophecies that the majority of this world have no respect for the god of the bible?

try telling him at this time when it occurs that you have your own beliefs, and don't care to listen to what he has to say to you.
wannabe

A World suddenly teeming with believers!
I'm wondering if it's for the following, Prophecies that the majority of this World have no respect for the God of the Bible? Try telling him at this time when it occurs that you have your own beliefs, and don't care to listen to what he has to say to you. Skuttle-Butt has it, we're right smack on the doorstep of the fulfillment of these following Prophecies. Of course most of you don't believe that. No matter! You will believe it! Jehovah will very suddenly make believers out of this entire World. When it comes, at any moment, like a Thief in the night.
Gonna be a whole entire World of believers, but too late, to do anything about it. Good idea for now, not to make any long range plans. If you think you do not like him now, wait till all the following is going on all around you, then you will quickly learn what it was you turned down. My dear friends You turned down everlasting life under God's Kingdom. Isn't that too sad? Benefit from these words by listening very closely to Prophecies, before it's too late to listen, and at some point it will be too late to listen. Jehovah will decide that; but we'll never know at what point he does. Could be too late already; we don't really know, now do we? John directs our attention to that:
He also tells me: "Do not seal up the words of the prophecy of this scroll, for the appointed time is near. 11 He that is doing unrighteousness, let him do unrighteousness still; and let the filthy one be made filthy still; but let the righteous one do righteousness still, and let the holy one be made holy still." {Revelation 22:10,11 NWT} That tells us a line is finally drawn, at which point it's then, too late. So whatever you're doing John tells us to carry on doing it, it no longer matters anymore. According to John it would occur when the appointed time was near. We do not know when that appointed time is, so we'd never know when it was near.
"The great day of Jehovah is near. It is near, and there is a hurrying [of it] very much. The sound of the day of Jehovah is bitter. There a mighty man is letting out a cry. 15 That day is a day of fury, a day of distress and of anguish, a day of storm and of desolation, a day of darkness and of gloominess, a day of clouds and of thick gloom, 16 a day of horn and of alarm signal, against the fortified cities and against the high corner towers. 17 And I will cause distress to mankind, and they will certainly walk like blind men; because it is against Jehovah that they have sinned. And their blood will actually be poured out like dust, and their bowels like the dung. 18 Neither their silver nor their gold will be able to deliver them in the day of Jehovah’s fury; but by the fire of his zeal the whole earth will be devoured, because he will make an extermination, indeed a terrible one, of all the inhabitants of the earth." {Zephaniah 1:14-18 NWT}
30 "And as for you, you will prophesy to them all these words, and you must say to them, ‘From on high Jehovah himself will roar, and from his holy dwelling he will give forth his voice. Without fail he will roar upon his abiding place. A shout like that of those treading [the winepress] he will sing out against all the inhabitants of the earth.’
31 "‘A noise will certainly come clear to the farthest part of the earth, for there is a controversy that Jehovah has with the nations. He must personally put himself in judgment with all flesh. As regards the wicked ones, he must give them to the sword,’ is the utterance of Jehovah.
32 "This is what Jehovah of armies has said, ‘Look! A calamity is going forth from Nation to Nation, and a great tempest itself will be roused up from the remotest parts of the earth. 33 And those slain by Jehovah will certainly come to be in that day from one end of the earth clear to the other end of the earth. They will not be bewailed, neither will they be gathered up or be buried. As manure on the surface of the ground they will become.’ They become manure on the ground because their dead bodies are eaten by the Birds and the Beasts, through the process of digestion. What do you do after you've had a good meal? The Birds and Beasts do likewise. Sad end eh what? {Matthew 24:7}
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"Howl, YOU shepherds, and cry out! And wallow about, YOU majestic ones of the flock, because YOUR days for slaughtering and for YOUR scatterings have been fulfilled, and YOU must fall like a desirable vessel! 35 And a place to flee to has perished from the shepherds, and a means of escape from the majestic ones of the flock. 36 Listen! The outcry of the shepherds, and the howling of the majestic ones of the flock, for Jehovah is despoiling their pasturage. 37 And the peaceful abiding places have been rendered lifeless because of the burning anger of Jehovah." {Jeremiah 25:31-37 NWT} This will be when the entire empire or Religious Christendom gets their due wages. the ones all part of their flock. The Majestic ones of the flock, meaning those with thier special garb and round collars, that sets them apart from the laity.These will howl we are told, with no place of escape for them. The Elders, so called, all howling. The so called Sheherds of the flock making loud outcries in fear and grief, and very likely panic.
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18 "‘And it must occur in that day, in the day when Gog comes in upon the soil of Israel,’ is the utterance of the Sovereign Lord Jehovah, ‘that my rage will come up into my nose. 19 And in my ardor, in the fire of my fury, I shall have to speak. Surely in that day a great quaking will occur in the soil of Israel. 20 And because of me the fish of the sea and the flying creatures of the heavens and the wild beasts of the field and all the creeping things that are creeping on the ground and all mankind that are upon the surface of the ground will be bound to shiver, and the mountains will actually be thrown down and the steep ways will have to fall, and to the earth even every wall will fall.’ 21 "‘And I will call forth against him throughout all my mountainous region a sword,’ is the utterance of the Sovereign Lord Jehovah. ‘Against his own brother the sword of each one will come to be. 22 And I will bring myself into judgment with him, with pestilence and with blood; and a flooding downpour and hailstones, fire and sulphur I shall rain down upon him and upon his bands and upon the many peoples that will be with him. 23 And I shall certainly magnify myself and sanctify myself and make myself known before the eyes of many nations; and they will have to know that I am Jehovah."{Ezekiel 38:18-23 NWT}
This will be the time of this Worlds final conflict with one another, when suddenly shockingly, Jehovah finally intervenes to bring the mad-men of this World to their final finish, with pestilence, blood, and a flooding downpour of hailstones, fire and sulpher, as he magnifyies himself and makes himself known before the eyes of all the Nations, and then they will have to know that he is, as he says he is: "I am Jehovah!" They will have to know that, he says.
At this time, there will be no unbelievers, no Agnostics, no Atheists; this World will quite suddenly be filled, teeming with believers, but too late to do them any good. As Jeremiah predicted they will all end up as just so much dung on the ground. They earned it! They bought and paid for it! It was theirs to wear. As is anything you buy and pay for. You buy it! You own it! It's yours to keep! As John penned in the Revelation account, they deserved it, and got what they deserved. All of those, who knew the truth and deliberately turned away from Jehovah, will fare no better than those being destroyed. They too will be destroyed, along with all who are exterminated. They too will deserve what they get.
Bottom of Form 1JEHOVAH will make believers out of all the unbelievers! In such a shocking way too! This World will end up with an entire World just teeming with believers, who had to learn the hard way to their everlasting sorrow, because they learned too late, because they never wanted to learn in the first place. {1Thessalonians 1:6-10}
Know it or not, all of you are standing in the direct line of fire, but you do not have to remain on that fireing line, you can step out of it. Jehovah never changes. What he offered the Israelite Nation is still offered today. That was the following:
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"See, I do put before you today
life and good, and death and bad. 16 [If you will listen to the commandments of Jehovah your God,] which I am commanding you today, so as to love Jehovah your God, to walk in his ways and to keep his commandments and his statutes and his judicial decisions, then you will be bound to keep alive and to multiply, and Jehovah your God must bless you in the land to which you are going to take possession of it. 17
life and good, and death and bad. 16 [If you will listen to the commandments of Jehovah your God,] which I am commanding you today, so as to love Jehovah your God, to walk in his ways and to keep his commandments and his statutes and his judicial decisions, then you will be bound to keep alive and to multiply, and Jehovah your God must bless you in the land to which you are going to take possession of it. 17
"But if your heart turns away and you do not listen, and you are actually seduced and bow down to other gods and serve them, 18 I do tell YOU today that YOU will positively perish. YOU will not lengthen YOUR days on the ground to which you are crossing the Jordan to go to take possession of it. 19 I do take the heavens and the earth as witnesses against YOU today, that I have put life and death before you, the blessing and the malediction; and you must choose life in order that you may keep alive, you and your offspring, 20 by loving Jehovah your God, by listening to his voice and by sticking to him; for he is your life and the length of your days, that you may dwell upon the ground that Jehovah swore to your forefathers Abraham, Isaac and Jacob to give to them." {Deuteronomy 30:16-20 NWT}
Make the wrong decision, if you have Children of your own, if you lose your life they lose theirs along with you. So, choose life for yourself, you choose it for them; conversely, choose death for yourself your chossing death for them along with you.
No one is left without hope. The following offer is open to anyone who wishes to keep alive. Why not take Jehovah up on his offer, and keep on living forever?
"Gather yourselves together, yes, do the gathering, O nation not paling in shame. 2 Before [the] statute gives birth to [anything], [before the] day has passed by just like chaff, before there comes upon YOU people the burning anger of Jehovah, before there comes upon YOU the day of Jehovah’s anger, 3 seek Jehovah, all YOU meek ones of the earth, who have practiced His own judicial decision.Seek righteousness, seek meekness. Probably YOU may be concealed in the day of Jehovah’s anger." {Zephaniah2:1-3 NWT}
"Jehovah is not slow respecting his promise, as some people consider slowness, but he is patient with YOU because he does not desire any to be destroyed but desires all to attain to repentance. 10 Yet Jehovah’s day will come as a thief, in which the heavens will pass away with a hissing noise, but the elements being intensely hot will be dissolved, and earth and the works in it will be discovered." 2 Peter 3:9,10 NWT}
"And I saw a new heaven and a new earth; for the former heaven and the former earth had passed away, and the sea is no more. 2 I saw also the holy city, New Jerusalem, coming down out of heaven from God and prepared as a bride adorned for her husband. 3 With that I heard a loud voice from the throne say: "Look! The tent of God is with mankind, and he will reside with them, and they will be his peoples. And God himself will be with them. 4 And he will wipe out every tear from their eyes, and death will be no more, neither will mourning nor outcry nor pain be anymore. The former things have passed away." 5 And the One seated on the throne said: "Look! I am making all things new." Also, he says: "Write, because these words are faithful and true." 6 And he said to me: "They have come to pass! I am the Al´pha and the O·me´ga, the beginning and the end. To anyone thirsting I will give from the fountain of the water of life free. 7 Anyone conquering will inherit these things, and I shall be his God and he will be my son." Revelation 21:1-7 NWT}
Any way you look at it, we're the ones on the better end of the deal. Obedience by attaining to repentence is not a lot to ask for everlasting life, at a time when there will be no more mourning or death, out-cry or pain of any kind. Drinking from the fountain of water of life free for endless eternity. Would anyone in their right mind turn down an offer such as that? Why lose out on all of that for the sake of some false Religious Leader who doesn't give a damn whether we live or die; simply to maintain their prominent positions, having their flocks bowing and scraping to them simply to feed their ego's, and fill their own coffers with the wealth of their Flocks. Turning worship of Jehovah into big business for the sake of dishonest gain? Which is all Religious Christendom is all about; great wealth, from riding on the backs of their flocks.
The Pope for example with so many Billions of dollars it cannot be reasonably assessed by anyone. While at the same time claiming to be the Vicar of Christ. The Christ would puke him out of his mouth. Along with all the rest of Religious Christendom. Major shock coming for all of them. Just don't be among them when it comes, or you'll get it too. Jehovah warned you well in advance: "Get out of her my people if you do not want to share with her in her sins, for her sins have massed clear up to heaven and God has called her acts of injustice to mind." {Revelation 18:4} If you are really one of God's People, you will get out of there; if you are not, you will not.
Bottom of Form 1And I heard the angel over the waters say: "You, the One who is and who was, the loyal One, are righteous, because you have rendered these decisions, 6 because they poured out the blood of holy ones and of prophets, and you have given them blood to drink. They deserve it." 7 And I heard the altar say: "Yes, Jehovah God, the Almighty, true and righteous are your judicial decisions." {Revelation 16:5-7 NWT}
When the Fall of this Vast Religious empire occurs, you will not find an unbeliever anywhere on this earth. When Jehovah renders his righteous judicial decisions. Then, they'll all get what they deserve at that time, for being the inexcusable unbelievers that they all were. {Romans 1:1:18-33|
Some today believe, that because they don't believe anything that gets them off the hook! They forget satan is god of this World and he has influenced them to believe as they do, being under his power as everybody else is. The same is true with the Atheists or Agnostics. While some think sitting on the fence will serve to help them in some way; not knowing the fence belongs to satan too. Nope Gang! There's just no way out Satan's got his little meat-hooks into the whole Ball of Wax, and there's only one way out! "SEEK JEHOVAH!" Wannabe
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What did the New Covenant Change?
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" {revelation 14:1 nwt}.

are you one of the remaining ones of that seed?

those are the only ones who will hear what the spirit says to them.
wannabe

What Did The New Covenant Change?
Today rather than follow the old Law Covenant, Christian's today are under the New Covenant established on the precious Blood of the Christ. We know that at the ascension of Jesus everything the Christ had set out to do on this earth was accomplished; as regards setting up the New Coventant. In prayer to his Father just prior to his ascension, he made this following remark:
4 "I have glorified you on the earth, having finished the work you have given me to do. 5 So now you, Father, glorify me alongside yourself with the glory that I had alongside you before the world was." {John 17:4 NWT} So, now the New Covenant was fully in force, with the Old Law Covenant set aside in favor now of the New Covenant.
Under the Old Law it was the Aaronic Priesthood that officiated at the Temple, but now a Heavenly Priesthood took the place of the Aaronic Priesthood. The Priesthood had changed along with the Old Law. As noted by Paul:
"For since the priesthood is being changed, there comes to be of necessity a change also of the law." {Hebrews 7:12 NWT}
Something else had also changed, because of the change in the Priesthood; that is, it's location, as well as the number of Priests involved: as John reveals to us:
"And I saw, and, look! the Lamb standing upon the Mount Zion, and with him a hundred and forty-four thousand having his name and the name of his Father written on their foreheads." {Revelation 14:1 NWT}
It was no longer earthly Mount Zion, but now, Heavenly Mount Zion. This now is where the Christ was residing, directing the Congregational affairs from the invisible Heavenly Spirit Realm.
So, the Law had Changed! The Priesthood had Changed! Earthly Mount Zion now changed to Heavenly Mount Zion. As might be expected, earthly Jerusalem changed to heavenly New Jerusalem. Which John also reports on:
"‘The one that conquers—I will make him a pillar in the temple of my God, and he will by no means go out [from it] anymore, and I will write upon him the name of my God and the name of the city of my God, the new Jerusalem which descends out of heaven from my God, and that new name of mine. 13 Let the one who has an ear hear what the spirit says to the congregations." {Revelation 3:12 NWT} Notice now they had to be atuned to the Spirit Realm, and hear what the Spirit said to the congregations. From which source all of their teachings would now come from, because that is where their Teacher was now in control of the Holy Spirit, the Teaching instrument. Acts 2:33
Now their approach to worship had also changed as Paul will show us, in the following:
"For YOU have not approached that which can be felt and which has been set aflame with fire, and a dark cloud and thick darkness and a tempest, 19 and the blare of a trumpet and the voice of words; on hearing which voice the people implored that no word should be added to them. 20 For the command was not bearable to them: "And if a beast touches the mountain, it must be stoned." 21 Also, the display was so fearsome that Moses said: "I am fearful and trembling." 22 But YOU have approached a Mount Zion and a city of [the] living God, heavenly Jerusalem, and myriads of angels, 23 in general assembly, and the congregation of the firstborn who have been enrolled in the heavens, and God the Judge of all, and the spiritual lives of righteous ones who have been made perfect, 24 and Jesus the mediator of a new covenant, and the blood of sprinkling, which speaks in a better way than Abel’s [blood]." {Hebrews 12:18-24 NWT}
So! The New Approach to Worship had changed over from earthly Mount Zion to Heavenly Mount Zion, the City of the Living God, Heavenly Jerusalem. Now it was as Paul told us:
25 "Now this Ha´gar means Si´nai, a mountain in Arabia, and she corresponds with the Jerusalem today, for she is in slavery with her children. 26 But the Jerusalem above is free, and she is our mother." {Galatians 5:25,26 NWT}
Jehovah's entire arrangemment of things reverted over to the Invisible Heavens. The Heavenly Spirit Realm. This now was where Jehovah's Organization now was. No! No visible Organization on this earth as claimed by the Governing Body of Jehovah's Witnesses. That is a blatant lie! They are a lie! A falsehood if ever there was one. I have have made that crystal clear.
The New Covenant changed Jehovah's earthly Organization over to a Heavenly Organization. No longer on earth, because the Christ is no longer on earth!
Do you hear what the Spirit says to the remaining ones of the seed of the Woman? You will if you're doing the work of witnessing to Jesus. Are you one of the remaining ones of that seed? Do you observe the commandments of God?
Those are the only ones who will hear what the Spirit says to them. Reason being they are the only ones the Spirit is speaking to today. That's the main reason satan is waging War with only them, because they know how to expose his lying Religious Organization Babylon The Great. The Mother of the Harlots and disgusting things of the earth. The entire empire of Religious Christendom. Jehovah views as a great Harlot.
17 "And the dragon grew wrathful at the woman, and went off to wage war withthe remaining ones of her seed, who observe the commandments of God and have the work of bearing witness to Jesus." {Revelation 12:17 NWT}
"Let the one who has an ear hear what the Spirit says to the congregations," or, "the remaining ones of her seed." How's you're hearing? Do you have that listening ear? Is the Spirit even speaking to you? It will if you're one of the seed of the Heavenly Woman. If not! Tough luck! You lose!
Sum it all up! The New Covenant changed Jehovah's earthly Organization, to Heavenly New Jerusalem. The City of the living God. The Jerusalem above! Guided and directed by the Son of God Jesus Christ. Wannabe