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  Shocking talk from 2013 District Convention urges parents to shun disfellowshipped children

  by cedars in

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  2. beliefs

  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7yldwe_6jsu.

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  nugget

  God wants loyalty he wants to be put before a father, mother and children.

  The wrongdoer changed his relationship with Jehovah and the family. It is their fault that we no longer speak to them. So the fact that the society directs family members not to associate with them is irrelevant. The fact that the disfellowshipped one still has affection for family and is not shunning them is irrelevent.

  If he had remained faithful he would have a relationship with his family. So his relationship with family is conditional on shared belief. There is no relationship seperate from the religion no unconditional love.

  Respect the decision. Even when it hasd been arbitrary and unjust.

  Wanting to associate with family is a motivating factor to reinstatement. So belief in god is not necessary to be reinstated.

  Even young oners who are disfellowshipped have a weak relationship with Jehovah. What the heck, young ones who are not old enough to marry or vote are made responsible for their own shunning because their relationship was weak. If it was so weak why didn't the elders detect this and refuse permission for them to get baptised in the first place.

  When reinstated how would you feel if they asked why weren't you loyal to Jehovah. So in this fictitious world the newly reinstated person chastises their parents for a lack of loyalty. What if they never choose to be reinstated?

  If we have greater affection for family members than for Jesus we are not worthy of him. I would suggest that anyone who expects their followers to be cold and hard hearted is not worthy of worship.

  I like the way this talk centres around loyalty to God and Jesus rather than loyalty to the GB. In any other setting it is loyalty to the GB that is most important but in order to hate family members you have to go straight to the top.
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  Help!! Don't know where to start

  by ILoveTTATT in

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  2. friends

  ok so to start... i am still an active jw... but only because i cannot get out yet... i am slowly planning to get out.... i should really read hassan's cult control book... it seems like i am getting everything wrong in trying to help the people i know to know ttatt.. so i will need your help, all of you dear people.. my current, actual beliefs are pretty much agnostic... no belief in any particular dogma, but i believe there is a higher power out there.... there are so many things on my mind... for example,.

  1. the fact that no nt manuscript contains the name "jehovah".

  2. the blood doctrine.

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  People have to be in the right place mentally to hear what you are trying to tell them. Otherwise cult programming rasserts itselft and they just repeat the same old platitudes and are reassured again.

  Try to connect to the authentic person rather than talk about doctrine. Ask if they were not in the organisation what might they have done, what career may they have pursued etc

  Talk to them about other high control groups, the techniques they use etc.

  Look at threads here where people have successfully engaged with witnesses and the tools they have used.

  If they mention doctrine to you ask them to explain it. Don't tell them stuff ask them to explain stuff to you. Don't let them gloss over the facts or uncomfortable truths ask them to provide evidence to you.
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  Former Unbaptized Publisher, New Here

  by GloomySunday in

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  2. friends

  former unbaptized publisher, here.. i'm new to the forums and have hesitated for months to join this forum.

  i was raised in a jw family, and was never baptized, because one of my parents didn't think i should be baptized early.. my mother became inactive, but i eventually went back for social contact, eventually starting a study.

  i raised a few questions, only to find that the conductor would get irritated and defensive when my questions would get deeper into the topic.

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  Life is full of promise and opportunity. In the organisation they want to restrict your talent and ambition and make you satisfied to be mediocre. live life well and make positive choices that are true to you, don't look back but embrace the future now you have one.
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  Are Jehovahs Witnesses a Cult?

  by The Quiet One in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  http://sianrose.wordpress.com/2011/07/15/are-jehovahs-witnesses-a-sect-or-a-cult/.

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  Icsa classify them as a cult and had a special workshop all about them and they should know.
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  Local Needs Talk: Brothers must repair dents and scratches on their vehicles...

  by Calebs Airplane in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  so about 8 years ago, we had a local needs talk about dents an scratches !!!!

  it was given by the cobe and this guy was just your normal everyday elder.

  except he had his occasional pet peeves... like (you guessed it) dents and scratches on some of the brothers' vehicles.

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  So glad to be away from this sort of thing. Local needs were either someone's pet peeve, or a way of humiliating an individual. A total misuse of power.it says a lot that these talks were not used to praise or show appreciation, they were always used in a negative way.
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  Role Reversal: Placing 1969 Awake with JW's Manning the New Portable Literature Displays

  by snapdragon4 in

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  2. friends

  in recent weeks the jw’s here in the uk have been setting up their new portable watchtower literature displays in my local town square on a saturday morning.

  as they hadn’t knocked on my door for at least five years, and consequently feeling somewhat neglected, i thought that i would pay them a visit instead.. .

  the first thing i needed to do was arrange my literature.

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  Fabulous job using a real life example. You overcame the usual response to deny the past. The problem is that many witnesses were not alive in 1970s so do not remember the rhetoric at the time. They are accustomed to the denial and the rewritten history and repeat it. It is so important that they see the lies for themselves in their own magazines.
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  Being pressured and getting increasingly stressed.

  by NBird in

  1. jw
  2. experiences

  hello, i'm a 17 year old born in and i'm done with this religion.

  one hundred percent.

  i came to the conclusion a year ago that i wanted to leave.

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  To buy you time I would say to your mum that you appreciate the effort she is going to with the study but as she says it is your arrangement. You do not feel the current arrangement is helping you to make the truth your own as you feel you are being prerssured and don't have time to take things in properly. This may be ok in the short term but it will not help you long term. Certainbly having others set spiritual goals for you means you are not having an opportunity to build a personal relationship with God or grow to maturity.

  You want to take a break form this arrangement to give you time for personal study and reflection so you can build your own foundation. Then you can tell her you will restart the study when you have something to offer rather than just learning lessons by rote.

  Do not allow yourself to get into a debate deliver the statement and walk away. If she asks to discuss it just say you have taken the matter in prayer to Jehovah and you are confident that this is the best course.

  In the mean time try to find a part tinme job to give you some financial independence and the opportunity to have work commitments that occasionally encroach on meeting attendance.
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  Personality types and religious adherence

  by EdenOne in

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  2. friends

  i was going through the personality types of the briggs-myers test (take the free test here) and noticed how some types are naturally inclined to follow rules and expect order, while others are inclined towards feelings and emotional appeals, other are naturally inclined to help out others ... what do you think?

  are there certain basic personality types that pre-dispose the individual to adhere to a certain type of religion ?.

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  I come out as an infp but it was my strong sense of honour that made me see the injustice more clearly.
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  Stuff You Would Lose If You Went Back

  by Nosferatu in

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  2. friends

  so we know all the things the wts prevents us from doing, but that's much, much different than the stuff we've grown accustomed to.. for those who have been out for a number of years, what kind of things would end up being abandoned if you suddenly started going back to the kingdom hall?

  you know, stuff that you now do on the nights you used to attend meetings, the things you own, the things you wear, etc..

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  I would lose my identity.
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  Does Jehovah's Witnesses baptism qualification info disclose anything about Disfellowshipping

  by Watchtower-Free in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  does the bible teach book say anything about dfing?.

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  isn't this dishonest?.

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  The baptism questions relating to disfellowshipping are very vague and certainly do not introduce the idea of doubts. They certainly do not go into detail of how this affects the disfellowshipped person and family relations. It is worth remembering that at the point of baptism you are not thinking about going back on the decision so will gloss over the 2 or 3 questions with a feeling that it will never apply to you. It is only via the watchtower articles that the true impact of disfellowshipping is discussed.

  Also bear in mind that some who are baptised are minors and so discussion of fornication and the like is not something they have ever faced.