Posts by Fernando

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Where do we go when we die?

by bsand20 in

jw
friends

my best friend of 14 years and maid of honor passed away 2 months ago at age 32 after battling breast cancer for 6 years.

i haven't been the same since for many reasons.. as a jw kid i believed 144,000 chosen went to heaven, the good people would be resurrected including those who didn't have a chance to hear about jehovah, and the rest, which were of other religions and bad people, died and would cease to exist.

again, because i was a kid when i left, i never really understood the jw position on death and why they came to their conclusion.

Fernando

According to scripture, eternal life (in perfect conditions) on earth (the physical realm) and in heaven (the spirit realm) is the "one hope" (Eph 4:4) which is open to any and all who embrace the liberating (30+ ingredient) gospel message instead of religion (human hierarchies, legalism and moralism).

Physicists (like Michio Kaku) and astronomers (like Carl Sagan) have done a lot to demystify higher dimensions.

In fact, according to Michi Kaku, three dimensions are not enough to explain gravity, electromagnetism and nuclear forces - which proves the existence of higher dimensions. It would appear that Physicists have traced a mathematical path from our familiar 3 dimensions right up to 11 dimensions in "hyperspace".

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UnURElCzGc0

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b8slSnNAzr4

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0N4eLI2CR3A&t=1m34s

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An update on shunning (at the store).

by quellycatface in

jw
friends

i was called into a meeting by one of the department managers last week.

i had a meeting this morning.. anyway, to cut a long story short.

the people involved in this will be called into a private meeting and spoken to.

Fernando

Them shunners dread being shunned, so either way I guess they'll have to deal with some serious Cognitive Dissonance...

Just may be the wake up call they've been needing.

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There is no difference between people

by cassuk11 in

jw
friends

just to point out that there is no difference between those who are in an organization or church and those who are not.

it rains on us all.

the mistake some make is to think some people are more righteous than others.

Fernando

Indeed cassuk11.

For all are dysfunctional and fall short of the image and glory of God.

The gospel (as part of the the central message of scripture) especially says we are all equal:

by grace or unmerited favour

the free gifts of liberation, imputed righteousness, and imputed holiness

are available to any and all who would accept these generous terms

and abandon religious legalism, moralism, hypocrisy and self-righteousness.

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SAVED FROM PLEDGING MONEY!

by The Searcher in

an elderly sister pointed to the printed out pledge forms on the literature counter and asked me what this was about, because she'd missed a couple of meetings.

i tactfully (and very quietly!

) explained that there was a new donation arrangement via pledging!

Fernando

Thank you for sharing on making a difference while still inside the beast...

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What are the consequences if a JW files for an unscriptural divorce?

by Daniel1555 in

in january my wife separated from me, because she views me as an apostate (to make the story short).. at that time the elders explained to us, that the bible doesn't approve of such a separation.

i heard from my mother in law, that my wife finally wants to divorce.

(when i think of how my wife treated me the last year i actually want a divorce too).. now my question to you:.

Fernando

In JW land anything can and does happen.

So good posts above, but who knows?

If neither party wants to reconcile, why not just let your wife know that in the interests of peaceful relations (and an amicable divorce settlement, especially custody & visitation) you'll cooperate and make it as easy as possible for her to move on and get remarried?

Best wishes as this unfolds.

Fernando

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What has the WTS EVER "predicted" that has actually come true?

by integ in

you'd think they could point to something right?

obviously we're the one true religion".. i can't fathom how anyone of any intelligence would be willing to join up with this org after doing even rudimentary research.. for years they have taught that it's wrong to seek advanced education or to plan for a "worldly" future by trusting in this system of things and then this past sunday the watchtower article rips on people for not planning for the future in regard to their elderly relatives.

maybe if they hadn't been teaching for 100 yr's that the end was "just around the corner" and telling us we'd better believe that fact...or else, we would have planned better for a future that you said without reservation would not even occur.. what mind blowing prediction can they point to that would convince someone "oh yeah..these guys have it right"...?.

Fernando

They are pretty good at seeing and describing their evil in others.

The Catholic Church is their favourite target.

And yet the Catholic Church could learns heaps about harlotry by simply observing Watchtower apostasy.

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Where does the Governing Body say "old light" comes from?

by matt2414 in

the governing body claims they've received "new light" from jehovah every time they change their doctrine.

so where did the "old light" come from that's being replaced?

if the old light is incorrect, could it have come from god?

Fernando

Any who dare to open this "can of worms" will see their favourite elders "suddenly" morph into Pharisees with big stones in hand...

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Catholic Church clearly identifies some of the roots of ongoing child sex abuse in religion

by Fernando in

on four corners on australia's abc tonight (saturday) at 08:00 pm, i was surprised when archbishop mark coleridge spoke frankly with kerry o'brien and did what it seems the watchtower never will be able to.. he identified:.

clericalismcareerismabuse of powera culture of secrecya culture that is determined to avoid scandalas being some of the roots of ongoing child sex abuse in religion (and the cover ups).

a transcript is also available at this link:.

Fernando

The Watchtower have yet to take one of the first steps: admit there is a problem.

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Catholic Church clearly identifies some of the roots of ongoing child sex abuse in religion

by Fernando in

on four corners on australia's abc tonight (saturday) at 08:00 pm, i was surprised when archbishop mark coleridge spoke frankly with kerry o'brien and did what it seems the watchtower never will be able to.. he identified:.

clericalismcareerismabuse of powera culture of secrecya culture that is determined to avoid scandalas being some of the roots of ongoing child sex abuse in religion (and the cover ups).

a transcript is also available at this link:.

Fernando

On Four Corners on Australia's ABC tonight (Saturday) at 08:00 pm, I was surprised when Archbishop Mark Coleridge spoke frankly with Kerry O'Brien and did what it seems the Watchtower never will be able to.

He identified:

Clericalism
Careerism
Abuse of power
A culture of secrecy
A culture that is determined to avoid scandal

as being some of the roots of ongoing child sex abuse in religion (and the cover ups). At least that is what I took from what was said. A transcript is also available at this link:

http://www.abc.net.au/4corners/stories/2014/06/02/4014893.htm

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Troll Accusations

by Frazzled UBM in

i have noticed that some of us are a bit too eager to label new posters as trolls.

while it is clear that there are some posters who just like to stir up trouble or are out and out apologists there are others who are witnesses starting to have genuine doubts and so ask questions but then when they see the responses the cognitive dissonance kicks in and they push back and argue with what they are being told.

this can lead to very negative reactions from jwn members and accusations that the person is a troll.

Fernando

When we give others the benefit of the doubt we can often be pleasantly surprised.

One imagines a genuine troll will eventually hang himself so to speak...