i don't know about anyone else, but even when i was 14 or 15 i had an issue with the fact that women are weaker vessels than men and we are to be submissive to our "head" of the house etc.... people just assumed i was a moody teenager trying to be cool by disagreeing with those scriptures but i was a feminist in the making.. i even asked an elder's wife about it and i said to her: "you're a headstrong woman, how do you feel about this?
do you think you should succumb to paul's every word and do as he says all the time??".
she replied: "i hate that scripture too sarah.
i always hated it ... and i'm not a woman. i prefer the company of women over men - dunno why, just do.
and i truly believe that women are the stronger of the species. if reproduction was up to men, we'd have died out eons ago. i whine for hours when i get a paper cut ... can you imagine men carrying babies to term then giving birth? o.O
so, i am curious..... how many of you have a hard time getting that phrase out of your vocabulary?.
i have been conscienciously trying not to use it at all, so now when i am in a conversation with a jw, its amazing how often they use that phrase.
i look back and wonder "god, did i say that that often?
i dont use that word in conjunction with anything dubbish ... took awhile to break the habit ... but now that i'm not deluded anymore, no sense in combining those terms
most christians assume that the gift of salvation is free.. but gods promises are very conditional and the word "if" is used nearly 1600times in the bible.. the bible is an "iffy" book and the promises of god very conditional.. i would be interested in a christian perspective as to why they think salvation is a free gift-.
acolytes.
hard to put stock in an iffy book written by an invisible man that lives in the sky ... that isn't very good with money ... he always needs money! all powerful, all knowing, all present ... just not too good with the books ... and that's no if
first new topic for me.. i have observed this site for about 4 years.
haven't been to a meeting since oct 2005. definitely feel jws are a high control group that mirrors many of the definitions of a cult.. i was raised as a witness since age 5, left at age 38, now 43. happily married to a wonderful woman for 24 years, except for 1 year of separation when i was failing miserable in a search for my true self - hard to do when you were completely sucked into this religion.
yes, i was a true believer pretty much up into my late 30s.
good on ya, aggie! glad to see you here, and glad you finally found freedom!
gig'em!
"(so and so) is no longer a jehovah's witness.".
what year approximately?.
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really? i thought they were saying that back in the 90s
because of the problem with long posts, i will type this in notepad and post in pieces.. don't bother reading this if you are impatient.
it takes a bit to get to the point.. this is not a thread about adolf hitler, but i wanted to use .
history to make a point.
well said
here is what the nwt says:.
"4and in answer jesus said to them: look out that nobody misleads you;5for many will come on the basis of my name, saying, i am the christ, and will mislead many.6you are going to hear of wars and reports of wars; see that you are not terrified.
for these things must take place, but the end is not yet.. 7for nation will rise against nation and kingdom against kingdom, and there will be food shortages and earthquakes in one place after another.8all these things are a beginning of pangs of distress.. 9then people will deliver you up to tribulation and will kill you, and you will be objects of hatred by all the nations on account of my name.10then, also, many will be stumbled and will betray one another and will hate one another.11and many false prophets will arise and mislead many;12and because of the increasing of lawlessness the love of the greater number will cool off.13but he that has endured to the end is the one that will be saved.14and this good news of the kingdom will be preached in all the inhabited earth for a witness to all the nations; and then the end will come.
well duh ... of course it doesnt say anything! books cant talk! unless you got a demonized book from a garage sale .. that could probably talk .. it would probably tell you to make a facebook account and text all your friends to follow your twitter account
just saying
got our new co. old school guy, 70 yrs old.
mo is "youre all not doing enough".
sigh.. three yrs of this asshole..
We had a CO who gave a scathing talk to the congregation about being Danites. Thats the tribe that said they help fight to defend israel but didn't show up when the battle happened. He said our whole congregation was made up of Danites.
wtf
i had an uncle named Dan. he never showed up when i moved. bastard. now i know why ... f'in danite
later i can post tons of scriptures to reference, but no point if nobody has run into this.
have you seen what appears to be 2 different groups of annointed?
perhaps one selected/predestined by jehovah and another not predestined by invited by jesus?
fortune cookies are a lot like that
i need some help /advice.......think i'm finally starting to go crazy..... .
within a year...we've come out of org and lost all our friends...... we get shunned by all along with family members .... we have moved house....... and my youngest son ,7yrs, had to be taken out of his school because he couldn't cope with the shunning of me and his dad....... and recently i lost my husband, and my kids have lost their dad....he walked out on us 6weeks ago.. .
my friends....fellow apostates, have been invaluable to me and have been there from the word go.....i love them all so much... but lately, after doing so well and coping admirably considering.........he texted me tonight to say that ....some of my friends "have more than one face and would have me believe they only have my best interests at heart all of the time.
it's really hard, and you're doing so well. dont let them get to you. find a good counselor and never miss a session. i am quite positive that therapy helped save my life - and it can help you too!
we're pullin for ya!
