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Drama DC 2011
by inbetween inprelude:.
still being in, i had to attend the 3 day dc this year.
well, actually, it was not soooo bad.
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Zone overseer visit in middle Europe Lösch GB member talk
by inbetween inthousands of witnesses carried by car or mostly busses joined the great worship of the gb, oh sorry jehovah.. here is a short summary of the talk given by losch: (my thoughts in brackets).
1) the beginning was mostly about closing branches, kingdom halls etc, but all a proof of gods spirit of course.. then some experiences, you find in a yearbook type as well,.
2) obey the slave, even if you dont fully understand, he compared it with a child trusting their parents (quit condescending, sheeple are like dumb children, mama org will think for them).
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universal souvereignty
by inbetween inaccording to the wts in the garden of eden, through the temptation of satan, the issue of universal souvereignty was being brought up.
the answer came in our time, when it was clear, that humans cannot govern themselves, and satans rule is destructive and bad.. however, looking at the events, what did satan question ?
he said, that by eating the fruit, the first couple will not die, but be like god.. about 900 something years later, they died and nowehere became like god.. at least then, the question was answered, case closed.. but jw fabricate something out of it in order to proof their endtime prophecy and cnetere themselve in the socalled issue of souvereignty..
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crisis of conscience
by inbetween inwhen i was fully in, i never even heard of ray franz or his books.. after learning the truth about the truth, what woke me up, was in the first place the inconsistency of doctrine, the missing logic and the bending of the scripture to fit their theology.. personal experiences i took with a grain of salt.
therefore, even though i learned about "crisis of conscience" i did not bother reading it.
personally i did not doubt, that what he wrote would be true, but i thought, it would not help somebody to get out, because, its his personal experience, which proves nothing in the end.
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blood - a different approach
by inbetween inas often discussed here and on other places, there are many good arguments against the wts blood policy.
basically the distinction between what is a component and what a fraction, is often , and right so, target of critisicm.
however, it can get confusing, especially when apologists like thirdwitness or standfirm argue for any spot of reasonableness in it.
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wife seen part of "dateline" online, about pedophile in JW land
by inbetween ina short update on my situation.. i am still in, trying to help my family to see the light.
my wife is open to critisize certain aspects of the wts, reads wt articles with a critical mind, but she still views them as gods org, and at times can get quit defensive about it.. last night though, she seemed devastated about a program she watched, reagrding pedophiles (dateline i guess).
she was very disturbed, even to the point of being depressed.
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gb members - part of a local congo ?
by inbetween into all with bethel inside information:.
normally the brothers serving at bethel are also connected with some local congregation.
in my area, the brothers in bethel support different congregations in their city.. how is this in new york ?
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a "bloody" question - components vs. fractions
by inbetween inthe official wt rule on blood is, whole blood and the four primary components are forbidden, fractions from those are conscience matter.. now its clear, that the medical world only uses the term fractions.. its also clear, that there is no direct bibilical reason for dividing blood into permitted components and forbidden fractions.. .
however, there is one argument of apologists, that has at least some value, if the premisse is true:.
the problem with components is, that when they are extracted, they still contain small amounts of all other components, so they still resemble whole blood, only the percentage is different.. an example to illustrate (simplified):.
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dub sayings
by inbetween in"we can be glad to have such a great variety of spiritual food, just take a look at the nonsense in other churches".
"so many nice brothers, look forward to the new system, when we can all get to know them better".
"it was really a protection being raised in the truth".
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holy spirit and miracles
by inbetween ina thought, that came during last weeks wt study:.
jw believe, that any miraculous gift of the hs is gone in our time, since we have the complete, gods word.. on the other hand, they claim , hs serves them as teacher and remembrancer !.
but is this not also a miracle ?.