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Challenge #9 (Jehovah-Jesus = Expert Opinion) ~ Narkissos / GS / JBeD / Serious JWs / FC

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when the wt changes its opinion, 7 million jws also (instantly) change opinions.. an incredible example of mind-control & intellectual capitulation / surrender.. anyone out there still swayed by "expert opinion" that contradicts god's word???.

jehovah-jesus' expert opinion is that the holy spirit is a person !!!.

kurios = lord = jehovah (as per wt preference).

4examp

When the WT changes its opinion, 7 million JWs also (instantly) change opinions.
An incredible example of mind-control & intellectual capitulation / surrender.

Anyone out there still swayed by "expert opinion" that contradicts GOD's Word???

JEHOVAH-JESUS' expert opinion is that The Holy Spirit is a Person !!!
KURIOS = LORD = Jehovah (as per WT preference) KURIOS = LORD = Jesus (as per most NT references).

It doesn't matter whether you connect JESUS as the Kurios-Lord-Jehovah or not, because The Father commands: Mt.17:5 ~ This is My Son, the Beloved, Whom I have approved; ~ Listen to HIM Mk.9:7 ~ This is My Son, the Beloved; ~ Listen to HIM Lk.9:35 ~ This is My Son, the Chosen One. ~ Listen to HIM

Challenge #9 ~ Do you agree that Jesus Christ's expert opinion about The 2ND-Paraclete-Advocate,
is a "valid criteria" for concluding that The Holy Spirit is a Person?

The BELOVED, 1ST-Paraclete-Advocate (1Jn.2:1), KURIOS-LORD-JEHOVAH, GOD-THE-WORD's Expert Opinion
is clear in Mt.28:19 (Challenge #8) -- & also confirmed in this complete (but paradoxically on-going) "one work"
(i.e. unique, Upper Room, Communion Table, private-parable-free, SECRET-REVEALING discourse to His chosen disciples):

Jn.14:16 ~ The Father will give you Another-Allos Paraclete-Advocate to be with you FOREVER 14:17 ~ THE SPIRIT of THE TRUTH, WHOM the world cannot receive
14:17 ~ because it neither beholds HIM nor knows HIM 14:17 ~ you know HIM, because HE REMAINS with you & (HE) is IN you
14:26 ~ THE ADVOCATE, THE HOLY SPIRIT, WHOM the Father will send in My name
14:26 ~ THAT ONE will TEACH you all things
14:26 ~ (HE will) REMIND you of all the things I told you
16:7 ~ if I do not go away, THE ADVOCATE will by no means come to you
16:7 ~ if I do go My way, I will send HIM to you
16:8 ~ when THAT ONE arrives HE will REPROVE the world about sin, righteousness,& judgment
16:13 ~ when THAT ONE arrives, THE SPIRIT of THE TRUTH, HE will GUIDE you into all the truth
16:13 ~ HE will not SPEAK of HIS own impulse, but what things HE HEARS HE will SPEAK
16:13 ~ HE will DECLARE to you the things coming
16:14 ~ THAT ONE will GLORIFY Me
16:14 ~ HE will RECEIVE from what is Mine & (HE) will DECLARE it to you
16:15 ~ HE RECEIVES from what is Mine & (HE) DECLARES [it] to you

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Challenge #8 (Mt. Mystery Solved) ~ Narkissos / GS / JBeD / Serious JWs / FC

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challenge #8 ~ do you agree that mt.28:19 clearly presents the holy spirit as a person?.

some humans believe the holy spirit is just a force -- energy from god the father.. some humans believe the holy spirit is a person -- a paraclete-person -- like jesus.. it is a gross understatement to say jesus knows the holy spirit better than anyone.. jesus commanded his followers to make disciples & baptize them in one name !.

narkissos, in challenge #2, i wrote:.

4examp

Having said all this (& I really shouldn't give the opposition ammunition), there is a mystery-solving possibility.
It's the "surface tension of water".

Baptising in the Name of The Father & of The Son isn't strong enough -- because they are in heaven.
Baptising in the Name of The Holy Spirit isn't strong enough either -- because it's only a "name".
But if The Holy Spirit is a power-packing-energy-source... -- voila -- the surface-tension of water is overcome & defeated.

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Challenge #8 (Mt. Mystery Solved) ~ Narkissos / GS / JBeD / Serious JWs / FC

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challenge #8 ~ do you agree that mt.28:19 clearly presents the holy spirit as a person?.

some humans believe the holy spirit is just a force -- energy from god the father.. some humans believe the holy spirit is a person -- a paraclete-person -- like jesus.. it is a gross understatement to say jesus knows the holy spirit better than anyone.. jesus commanded his followers to make disciples & baptize them in one name !.

narkissos, in challenge #2, i wrote:.

4examp

Challenge #8 ~ Do you agree that Mt.28:19 clearly presents The Holy Spirit as a Person?

Some humans believe The Holy Spirit is just a force -- energy from God The Father.
Some humans believe The Holy Spirit is a Person -- a Paraclete-Person -- like Jesus.

It is a gross understatement to say Jesus knows The Holy Spirit better than anyone.

JESUS commanded His followers to make disciples & baptize them in ONE NAME !

Narkissos, in Challenge #2, I wrote:
"Speaking of name, what is your understanding of the Singular Name in Mt.28:19?"

You replied:
"As to Matthew 28:19, the (again, unique in the NT) trinitarian formula is best understood
as a (late) extension of the usual christological baptism formula: eis (to) onoma kuriou/Ièsou/Khristou...
More than the (singular) use of onoma which simply belongs to the fixed locutionI would say the very parallelism of Father / Son / Holy Spirit
tends to "personalise" or "personify" the latter to an extent (so far I would agree)."

So it's agreed that Jesus made a clear, powerful, statement in Mt.28:19 that cannot be manipulated or rationally explained away.

- It's not my fault or concern that this pithy statement is unique --but it cannot be ignored because it is unique !!!

- It's not my fault or concern if tons of great minds see this verse as a clear statement of "Trinity".

- It's not my fault or concern that the sun-entity emits light, heat, energy. :-)

- The statement is a command that stands as a foundational sign-post.

- These 11, simple words ("to onoma tou patros kai tou uiou kai tou agiou pneumatos")
(cause tension &) bother & baffle those who deny the Personhood of The Holy Spirit.

- It is a fact that there are 3 parts to the singular name.

- It is a fact that the parallism clearly presents the inherent "authority" of 3 Persons.

- The name of the Father is not His personal name but is His title of relationship to us & His Son.

- The name of The Son is not His personal name but is His title of relationship to The Father,
& one of many titles of our (1Jn.2:1) Paraclete-Advocate-Lawyer (see Isa.9:6; Mt.1:23; Rev.17:14).

- The name of the Holy Spirit is not His personal name but just one of many titles
of our (Jn.14:16,26; 15:26; 16:27) "other" Paraclete-Advocate-Lawyer.

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Challenge #7 (The ALLOS-Paraclete-Spirit ACTS Like Jesus) ~ Narkissos / GS / JBeD / Serious JWs / FC

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narkissos, in challenge #2 you wrote:.

"i wouldn't push the distinction between allos and heteros too far;.

often the difference is stylistic rather than semantic.".

4examp

Jer.15:16 ~ Your words were found and I ate them, And Your words became for me a joy and the delight of my heart; For I have been called by Your name, O LORD God of hosts.

Ps.19:10 ~ They are more desirable than gold, yes, than much fine gold; Sweeter also than honey and the drippings of the honeycomb.

Ps.119:103 ~ How sweet are Your words to my taste! {Yes, sweeter} than honey to my mouth!

It is an incredible treat, to discover (& share) things from God's Word -- assuming you're referring to my posts.

It's also true that I am enjoying a lot of German & Belgium chocolate.

I didn't think of my faith-sharing as "German chocolate" (if that's what you thought I meant), but I've really enjoyed many conversations (e.g. German policeman with a neat car that he has cranked up to 250km). I hand out a custom "Better than a Million Dollars" summary (of course) of John.

My life is rich.

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Challenge #7 (The ALLOS-Paraclete-Spirit ACTS Like Jesus) ~ Narkissos / GS / JBeD / Serious JWs / FC

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narkissos, in challenge #2 you wrote:.

"i wouldn't push the distinction between allos and heteros too far;.

often the difference is stylistic rather than semantic.".

4examp

Hi Bait-ah,

(Sorry for the forced 24-hour delay, I was maxed out.)

I did -- twice !!! (see John chapter 3)

Once Born -- Die Twice ~ (Rev.21:8)
Twice Born -- Die Once ~ (Jn.8:51,52; 10:28; 11:26)

I know 4sure I will be in heaven -- because Jesus lives.
He is the Bread of Life -- if He wasn't, all of us would be toast!

Both my lives are fantastic !
- my wife is my best friend
- we are very close to our 3 daughters & sons-in-law
- our 4 & 7/8 grandkids are just like our very own kids (6, 4, 3, 2 & still due)
- 4example: 3yr old says: "Here's a gift for your pocket" (i.e. hug, kiss, love).
- I still play hockey (in Ontario)
- I'm enjoying roller-blading (in Germany)
- I'm enjoying the German people & sharing my faith -- often
- German chocolate "everyday"
- my wife & I finished up renovating a rental unit (rerouting plumbing , shut-off valves, custom laundry sink, tub-surround, wiring, light fixtures, porcelain & ceramic-tile floors / baseboards / back-splash, kitchen counters, bay window, extensive gyprocing, bump-free painting throughout, custom trim, etc, etc.)

And then I get special counsel from special folk like you.
Many thanks :-)

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List of Greek Neuter Nouns

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do anyone have a list of greek neuter nouns?.

a comprehensive (even exhaustive) list would be fantastic !.

4examp

There are many interesting things to explore on those pages, BUT I'm still looking for a "complete" list of neuter nouns.

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Challenge #6 (The Spirit IS Like Jesus) ~ GS / JBeD / Serious JWs

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challenge: do you agree that 10 greek words unite to show that the holy spirit ~ is (a person) ~ like jesus?.

the spirit, our 1helper/advocate/lawyer, is the 2holy, 3everlasting, 4eternal, 5lord, 6god, who is 7truth, & 8raised up christ, & 9makes alive; & we should be 10baptized in his name.. the wt claims: ~ "the scriptures themselves unite to show that god's holy spirit is not a person"(insight p.1019, & aid p.1543).. the scriptures themselves show just the opposite !.

10 greek words prove, that what is true of god the son (&/or god the father) is also true of god the holy spirit.

4examp

I will respond to your objection to my methodology, but many thoughts & many factors, prevent me from doing so for now.

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Challenge #7 (The ALLOS-Paraclete-Spirit ACTS Like Jesus) ~ Narkissos / GS / JBeD / Serious JWs / FC

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narkissos, in challenge #2 you wrote:.

"i wouldn't push the distinction between allos and heteros too far;.

often the difference is stylistic rather than semantic.".

4examp

Ponder this profound, powerful, WT admission [Insight p.1019, & Aid p.1543]:

"It is true that Jesus spoke of the holy spirit as a 'helper' & spoke of such helper as
'teaching,' 'bearing witness,' 'giving evidence,' 'guiding,' 'speaking,' 'hearing,' & 'receiving.'
In so doing, the original Greek shows Jesus at times applying the personal pronoun 'he' to that 'helper' (paraclete).
(Compare John 14:16,17,26; 15:26; 16:7-15.)"

But then the WT leaves the solid ground of Scripture, slides down the slippery slope of speculation, & with blatant bias goes on to say:
"However, it is not unusual in the Scriptures for something to be personalized or personified that is not actually a person."

These powerful, clear, direct, emphatic Scripture-Comparisons cannot
be justifiably brushed away by the very weak "personification" human opinion!

"THE INSPIRED UTTERANCE" (NWT ??? ~ no)
= The Pneuma (G4151)
= THE SPIRIT (KI !!! ~ yes)
RETOS (G4490 = says DISTINCTLY)
that in later periods of time some will fall away from the faith,
paying attention to MISLEADING SPIRITS & teachings of demons,
by the hypocrisy of men who speak lies (1Tim.4:1)

Let the one who has an ear HEAR WHAT THE SPIRIT IS SAYING to the congregations ( Rev.2:7 )
Let the one who has an ear HEAR WHAT THE SPIRIT IS SAYING to the congregations (Rev.2:11)
Let the one who has an ear HEAR WHAT THE SPIRIT IS SAYING to the congregations (Rev.2:17)
Let the one who has an ear HEAR WHAT THE SPIRIT IS SAYING to the congregations (Rev.2:29)
Let the one who has an ear HEAR WHAT THE SPIRIT IS SAYING to the congregations (Rev.3:6)
Let the one who has an ear HEAR WHAT THE SPIRIT IS SAYING to the congregations (Rev.3:13)
Let the one who has an ear HEAR WHAT THE SPIRIT IS SAYING to the congregations (Rev.3:22)

Now there are VARIETIES of gifts, but there is THE SAME SPIRIT;
& there are VARIETIES of ministries, & yet there is THE SAME LORD;
& there are VARIETIES of operations, & yet it is THE SAME GOD (1Cor.12:4-6)

The undeserved KINDNESS of the LORD JESUS CHRIST
& the LOVE of GOD
& the SHARING of THE HOLY SPIRIT be with all of you (2Cor.13:14)

LET GOD BE FOUND TRUE (Rom.3:4)

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Challenge #7 (The ALLOS-Paraclete-Spirit ACTS Like Jesus) ~ Narkissos / GS / JBeD / Serious JWs / FC

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narkissos, in challenge #2 you wrote:.

"i wouldn't push the distinction between allos and heteros too far;.

often the difference is stylistic rather than semantic.".

4examp

Still not convinced???
Scripture provides many other comparisons that show THE HOLY SPIRIT is a functioning Person. For example:

#61. Divinely Warns / Reveals = KREEMATIZO (G5537 )
~ [astrologers] were given KREEMATISTHENTES in a dream... [& Joseph] being given KREEMATISTHEIS in a dream (Mt.2:12,22)
HS ~ it had been KEXREEMATISMENON to him (Simeon) BY THE SPIRIT THE HOLY that he would not see death before he had seen the Christ of Jehovah (Lk.2:26 )

#62. Forbids = KOLUO (G2967)
JC ~ Jesus was indignant & said to them: "Let the young children come to Me; do not [you] try to KOLUETE them (Mk.10:14) (See Mt.16:20,23)
HS ~ they went through Phrgia & the country of Galatia, because they were KOLUTHENTES BY THE HOLY SPIRIT to speak the word in... Asia (Ac.16:6)

#63. Joins in with Help = SUNANTILAMBANOMAI (G4878)
~ Tell her, therefore, to SUNANTILABETAI me (Lk.10:40)
HS ~ THE SPIRIT also SUNANTILAMBANETAI for our weakness (Rom.8:26)

#64. Leads = AGO (G71)
~ Now he [the Devil] E-GAGEN Him into Jerusalem... & said... (Lk.4:9)
~ Now Jesus, full of holy spirit, turned away from Jordan, & He was E-GETO about by THE SPIRIT in the wilderness (Lk.4:1)

#65. Leads = ANAGO (G321)
~ So he ANAGAGON Him up & showed Him all the kingdoms of the inhabited earth...; & the Devil said to Him... (Lk.4:5,6)
HS ~ Then Jesus was ANEEKTHE by THE SPIRIT up into the wilderness to be tempted by the Devil (Mt.4:1)

#66. Longing = EPIPOTHEO (G1971)
~ God is my witness of how I am EPIPOTHO for all of you (Phil.1:8)
HS ~ THE SPIRIT which has taken up residence within us keeps EPIPOTHEI (Ja.4:5)

#67. OUTRAGED = ENUBRIZO (G1796)
{{There's no comparative example for this powerful warning. Don't let YOUR beliefs put you in this position.}}
HS ~ Of how much more severe a punishment, do you think, will the man be counted worthy who has trampled upon the Son of God..., & who has
- OUTRAGED THE SPIRIT of undeserved kindness with contempt? (Heb.10:29 NWT)
- THE SPIRIT of THE Undeserved KINDNESS having contemptuously ENUBRISAS? (Heb.10:29 KI)

#68. Performs = ENERGEO (G1754)
~ the Ruler of the authority of the air, THE [evil] SPIRIT that now ENERGOUEETOS in the sons of disobedience (Eph.2:2)
HS ~ But all these OPERATIONS the One & THE SAME SPIRIT ENERGEI making a distribution to each one respectively just as IT WILLS (1Cor.12:11)

#69. Reminds = HUPOMIMNEESKO (G5279)
~ I desire to HUPOMENEESAI you despite your knowing all things (Jude 1:5)
HS ~ The Helper, THE SPIRIT THE HOLY..., THAT ONE will teach you all things & HUPOMENEESAI you all the things I told you (Jn.14:26)

#70. Sends = EKPEMPO (G1599)
~ Immediately by night the brothers EXEPEMPSAN both Paul & Silas out to Beroea (Ac.17:10)
HS ~ Accordingly these men EKPEMPSTHENTES by THE HOLY SPIRIT, went down to Seleucia (Ac.13:4)

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Challenge #7 (The ALLOS-Paraclete-Spirit ACTS Like Jesus) ~ Narkissos / GS / JBeD / Serious JWs / FC

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narkissos, in challenge #2 you wrote:.

"i wouldn't push the distinction between allos and heteros too far;.

often the difference is stylistic rather than semantic.".

4examp

#50. Speaks directly
JC ~ APEKRITHEE (ANSWERED) Jesus & EIPEN (SAID) to him: "Amen, amen I am LEGO (SAYING) to you, unless anyone is born again, he cannot see the kingdom of God." (Jn.3:3)
JC ~ Do not marvel because I EIPEN (SAID / TOLD) you, you people must be born again (Jn.3:7)
JC ~ APEKRITHEE (ANSWERED) Jesus & EIPEN (SAID) to him: "Are you a teacher of Israel & yet do not know these things?" (Jn.3:10)
JC ~ Amen, amen I am LEGO (SAYING) to you, What we know we LALOUMEN (SPEAK) & what we have seen we bear witness of, but you people do not receive the witness we give. (Jn.3:11)
JC ~ Jesus EIPEN (SAID) to them: "I AM the Bread of Life. He that comes to ME will not get hungry at all, & he that exercises faith in ME will never get thirsty (Jn.6:35)

HS ~ THE SPIRIT EIPEN (SAID): "Look! Three men are seeking you.
However, RISE, GO downstairs & be on your way with them, NOT DOUBTING AT ALL, because I have sent them." Acts 10:19,20)

HS ~ I also EE-KOUSA (HEARD) a PHONEES (VOICE) LEGOUSEES (SAY) to me,
'RISE, Peter....' The 2nd time the PHONEE (VOICE) from HEAVEN APEKRITHEE (ANSWERED),
'You stop calling defiled the things God has cleansed,' This occurred for a 3rd time....
Also, look! at that instant there were 3 men standing at the house....
So THE SPIRIT EIPEN (SAID / TOLD) me to GO with them, NOT DOUBTING AT ALL (Ac.11:7-12)

HS ~ THE SPIRIT THE HOLY EIPEN (SAID): "Of all persons set Barnabas & Saul apart for ME for the work to which I HAVE CALLED THEM."
... Accordingly these men SENT OUT BY THE HOLY SPIRIT, went down to Seleucia (Ac.13:2,4)

#51. Teaches = DIDASKO (G1321)
JC ~ Jesus set out on a tour of all the cities & villages, DIDAXEI in their synagogues (Mt.9:35)
HS ~ for THE HOLY SPIRIT will DIDAXEI you in that very hour the things you ought to say (Lk.12:11,12)
HS ~ But The Helper, THE SPIRIT THE HOLY, ... THAT ONE will DIDAXEI you all things & bring back to your minds all the things I told you (Jn.14:26)

#52. Tested = PEIRAZO (G3985)
JC ~ Jesus was led by THE SPIRIT ... to be PEIRASTHEENAI by the Devil (Mt.4:1)
HS ~ Why was it agreed upon between you [two] to PEIRASAI THE SPIRIT of the Lord? (Ac.5:9)

#53. Thinks/Seems = DOKEO (G1380)
JC ~ Tell us, therefore, What do YOU DOKEI?... But JESUS, knowing their wickedness, said... (Mt.22:17,18)
HS ~ "The apostles & the older brothers to those brothers in Antioch... Greetings! ...we have... E-DOXEN choosing... Barnabas & Paul....
IT E-DOXEN (GOOD to) THE SPIRIT THE HOLY & we ourselves..." (Ac.15:23,25,26,28)

#54. Thrusts Out = EKBALLO (G1544)
JC ~ But the Pharisees began to say: "It is by the ruler of the demons that HE EKBALLEI the demons." (Mt.9:34)
HS ~ immediately THE SPIRIT EKBALLEI Him to go into the wilderness (Mk.1:12)

#55. Wills = BOULOMAI (G1014)
TF ~ He does not BOULOUMENOS any to be destroyed but desires all to attain to repentance (2Pet.3:9)
JC ~ no one fully knows The Son but The Father, neither does anyone fully know The Father but The Son & anyone to whom The SON is BOULEETAI to reveal Him (Mt.11:27)
HS ~ The MANIFESTATION of THE SPIRIT is given to each one...
wisdom... knowledge... faith... healings... powerful works... prophesyings... discerning of spirits... tongues... interpretation of tongues.
BUT ALL THESE OPERATIONS THE ONE & THE SAME SPIRIT PERFORMS making a distribution to each one respectively
JUST AS IT BOULETAI (1Cor.12:7-11)

#56. Witnesses = MARTUS (G3144)
TF ~ God is MARTUS (1Thes.2:5)
JC ~ Jesus Christ, "The Faithful MARTUS" (Rev.1:5)
HS ~ WE ARE MARTURES of these matters, & SO IS THE SPIRIT THE HOLY (Ac.5:32)

#57. Witnesses thoroughly = DIAMARTUROMAI (G1263)
TF ~ But A CERTAIN WITNESS - He bore thorough witness - DIEMARTURATO (Heb.2:6)
HS ~ except that from city to city THE SPIRIT THE HOLY DIAMARTURETAI to me AS IT SAYS SAYING that bonds & tribulations are waiting for me (Ac.20:23)

#58. bears Witness = MARTUREO (G3140)
TF ~ & The Father who sent Me MARTUREI about Me (Jn.8:18)
JC ~The world... hates Me, because I MARTURO concerning it that its works are wicked (Jn.7:7)
JC ~ I AM One that MARTURON about Myself (Jn.8:18)
JC ~ He that MARTURON of these things says, "Yes; I AM coming quickly." (Rev.22:18,20)
HS ~ When The Helper arrives..., THE SPIRIT of THE TRUTH, ...THAT ONE will MARTUREESEI about Me; & you, in turn, are to MARTUREITE (Jn.15:26,27)
HS ~ THE SPIRIT THE HOLY ALSO MARTUREITE to us, for after IT HAS SAID: "This is the covenant that I shall covenant...." IT SAYS afterwards: "And I shall...." (Heb.10:15-17)
HS ~ investigating what particular season... THE SPIRIT in them was indicating concerning Christ when it was MARTUREITE beforehand about the sufferings for Christ (1Pet.1:11)

#59. bears Witness with = SUMMARTUREO (G4828) + SUNEPIMARTUREO (G4901)
TF ~ while God joined in bearing witness - SUNEPIMARTUROUNTOS (Heb.2:4)
HS ~ THE SPIRIT ITSELF SUNMARTUREI our spirit that we are God's children (Rom.8:16)

#60. DID MANY OTHER THINGS
JC ~ Jesus performed many other signs... which are NOT written down in this scroll.
But these things have been written down that you may believe that JESUS is the Christ the Son of God,
& that, because of believing, YOU MAY HAVE LIFE in HIS NAME. Jn.20:30,31 (+ Jn.21:25)

HS ~ when THAT ONE arrives, THE SPIRIT of THE TRUTH,
He WILL GUIDE you into all the truth, for He will not speak of His own initiative,
but what things HE hears HE WILL SPEAK, & HE WILL DECLARE to you the THINGS COMING (Jn.16:13)