Here in the UK over the last couple of years I hear more about people leaving/being removed due to apostasy? Do you think this is true or is it because my radar is up and listening?
How about where you are?
Posts by freddo
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26Is it my imagination or is there more Apostasy about?
by freddo inhere in the uk over the last couple of years i hear more about people leaving/being removed due to apostasy?
do you think this is true or is it because my radar is up and listening?.
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BOE on Disfellowshiped Relatives
by JWFreak inagain...please do not request a pdf scan these are interbranch copies not the same ones sent to the congregations.
jwf.. january 21, 2010 .
to all bodies of elders .
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freddo
As an ex-elder I can say that this letter rings true and I too have known the politics that go on in these circumstances. This is how it goes:-
Elder 1: Lots of bros and sis in the cong are concerned that Johnny Knobthruster is back in the family home.
Elder 2: But he has got mental issues and suicidal thoughts.
Elder 3: It don't stop him going clubbing with his on the "edge of the troof" friends; there is a element of leaven going on I think.
Elder 4: Well his Dad (Elder 5) is very useful on the Regional Building Committee
Elders 1 and 3: Why don't we bounce it off of the CO?
CO Pilate: Hmmm! Why not ask the Service Desk?
Elder 1: (To service, weighting the thing towards his personal view) "... and so the brothers are very concerned."
Anon. Service Desk heavy: "Well the elders need to meet to consider the situation and Elder 5's privileges" ()
All 4 elders hijack Elder 5 who hasn't a clue what's been brewing.
The decision depends on: -
Does Elder 5 need to have Johnny K in the house? As decided by the body of elders majority view as swayed by the strongest personalities with input from the CO and Service. If the elders buck the system and support him then the CO at the very least will take them off err overlook giving them circuit assembly talk privileges and at worst will manouvre things to remove Elder 5 at his next visit.
Possible outcomes:-
A) Elder 5 sees the light - kicks JK to the kerb and stays on the body
B) Elder 5 sees the light - kicks JK to the kerb and gets booted because he should have cleared JK's return to the family home beforehand
C) Elder 5 sees nothing - appeals in the vain hope that he will be exhonerated and gets booted anyway
D) Elder 5 really sees the light; sticks two fingers up to the body of elders and fades away.
Or a mixture of the above!
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My almost 80 year old elderly JW father is getting remarried.....
by skeeter1 ina wedding is in the works for my dad!
he's been very lonely since my mother's death.
the bride's in her 80's, and a lonely jw who lost her husband a few years back.
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freddo
I think you did put doubts in his mind - as did his life's experience too. Well, good for you skeeter and good for them too.
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Special Radio Drive for Lawrence Hughes
by Dr_Derrick ininsight on the word radio will be airing a five day event to help former jw lawrence hughes continue his fight against the watchtower society.
thanks to joe emerson who provided me some news, i like to pass this on...lawrence hughes who is suing watchtower attorneys over death of his daughter (blood transfusion issue) needs to raise $10,000 in the next few weeks to be able to continue the lawsuit which is a battle to save the lives of other jw kids too!
this is a very crucial moment for all concerned which is the reason for this special presentation of insight on the word radio, starting tonight at 11 pm u.s. eastern time (10 pm central, 9 pm mountain and 8 pm pacific).
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freddo
I believe that all blood matters should be a "matter of conscience" in emergencies and that the decision of what constitutes an emergency should be left to the patient and his/her doctors with no interference from WTBTS aka "the organization." I believe there is scriptural support for this in the old testament where no one seemed to receive a death penalty for eating blood when famished and were allowed to sell blood-filled animal carcases to the surrounding nations. I also believe that in the new testament that the abstaining from blood is a dietary/worship matter not a medical life saving one.
If Lawrence Hughes is successful in pushing towards this goal then I wish him all the best. On a personal level I cry for him as I could so easily be in the same position if either my (now adult) son or daughter should take a "firm stand" against blood - I would be desperate that I had brought up my children to believe this is what God wants of them when I now don't believe this at all.
On this particular case with Bethany having received many transfusions as ward of court and dieing anyway - well, what a tragedy for all concerned.
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Remember when assemblies were fun?
by Aphrodite ini just remembered when i was a kid and we would go to the assembly, it was fun because we got to buy new clothes and put extra effort into looking good.
when we would get there you could save your seats and even save some for your friends, then go off looking for them.. i used to love our circuit assembly because of the food.
it was at the assembly hall and there was a big kitchen, some of my favourite brothers worked in that kitchen, sometimes i was allowed to go in and help.
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freddo
Before they built the Bristol Assembly Hall and when I was living in Somerset we used to have circuit assemblies at Pontin's Brean Holiday Camp. As a late teenager this was fun. Some of us would go in an old car that one of us owned - another group would ride their motorbikes and we would share a chalet which was hilarious. It was always a windswept November or February too.
Program
Friday night - bag a bunkbed feed the electricity meter with 10p coins, turn on the two-bar fire and go over to the main hall (which still had posters up from the Worldly entertainment) for entertainment where the brothers were allowed to serve tea and cakes and put on bible based skits and plays from 8pm to 10pm. Skive out early at about 9.30 and walk out of the camp to the "Beachcomber pub" and knock back a few pints of Bass bitter until closing time and play "Space Invaders" at 20p a go.
Saturday - big fry up breakfast, put on checked jacket, massive shirt collar and tie knot and turn-up flared brown trousers, hair as long as we dared with centre parting of wavy hair with massive shoes that looked like lifeboats and go and grab some seats while checking out the girlies in their platform shoes and tight fitting outfits. (Think Farrah Fawcett styles)
Sessions - where we would pass notes to one another and get told off by the zealous attendants all the way through.
Saturday evening back over the pub - limit ourselves to 5 pints (don't want to get a bad name for Jah!) - playing darts or cards or just chatting.
Saturday evening run the gauntlet of the gatehouse security who would shut the gate at 11pm unless you could sweet talk your way in.
(Baptism - wow some of those girls wore the skimpiest of bikini's before the great T shirt clampdown that came later.)
Sunday morning - up late grab a coffee and skate into the sessions. We had David Algar as DO who would wear jeans to walk about the place after the sessions - who gave brilliant talks then.
Sunday lunchtime - last chance to get phone numbers of the sisters.
Sunday tea time - drive home with a David Bowie tape blaring out of the massive speakers in our Vauxhall Viva or Ford Cortina.
I loved those assemblies. Some of my mates from back then are out and some are in and I'm in the middle.
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Have you noticed ? the GB's purposeful Tone while speaking??
by freewilly01 inafter being absent for years from the borgorg i really noticed the purposeful fake tone of the voices of the gb.
i was just surfing cults and cult leaders and found an interesting link with the gb and cult leaders...... in the satirist:.
the article was:.
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freddo
Very funny RebeccaChi! As long as they don't bring it in a glass container eh?
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Mill Hill Disfellowshippings
by BorgHater ina few months ago there was a thread about a couple of elders at the mill hill bethel being disfellowshipped because they disagreed with some wt doctrine (i can't recall exactly what it was) and that several other betheliteswere under 'investigation'.
i haven't heard anything since, does anyone know anything more about this?.
borghater xx.
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freddo
MMXIV - welcome to you and others. May I call you 2014? It's easier to type!
A question to those with contacts in London Bethel - is it business as usual down there as they get new suckers in to do the work of Spain branch or are they circling the wagons to fight the "apostate hordes"?
My tenuous link with London bethel (a relative who has a close friend there) wonders how I know about the apostasy problem as it is supposed to be being kept quiet.
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Life On Hold: The CO Visit Week
by sacolton indid anyone have to cancel a vacation trip because it was on co visit week?
i still don't get why the co visit was as if god himself was in town.
is it kinda like if the pope were to visit with catholics?.
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freddo
Some good some bad.
One I knew as the "Simony" CO among a few of us. One guy in our hall was well off materially but wore it on his sleeve so much that it grated on the congo and although he made MS the elders genuinely felt "love of money" was a problem. He was desperate to be an elder.
Anyway the CO stays with him a couple of times, gets taken to posh restaurants and gets the green handshakes and really pushes the body to appoint him. A few elders wanted their names on record not to appoint but with the CO's pressure and an 8 to 2 vote it went through.
Three years later he was removed for "showy display of ones means of life" by the body with the blessing of the next CO! Go figure.
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Sisters told they strictly can't wear slacks to Meetings to keep them submissive! Why?
by Witness 007 inyes slacks and pants on women are evil.....the first step to wanting to be elders or even worse lesbians!
so the watchtower in it's wisdom put a strict bad on women wearing pants at meetings, even in siberia or alaska where it is freezing cold....i qoute the governing body who said: "we need to show these sisters who wears the pants in our congregations...literally.".
in the 70's when it was all the rage, my mum tried wearing slacks to the hall....."go and get changed" said the sister who studied with her.
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freddo
Nice catch bluesbrother! I'm gonna have fun with that next time it snows! Good God! When I look back at the seventies when I came in I realise what a controlling bunch of idiots they are becoming!
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The biggest freak you ever knew in the jws?
by bulgogiboy ini find hearing about super freak jws quite entertaining, so if anyone has any interesting stories about the most mental jws they had/have in their congregation then please share!
the biggest freak i had in my cong was a guy who could literally read your mind.
i'm not kidding, i mean he appeared to have a profound psychic ability.
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freddo
Nope - can't beat that bulgogiboy!