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  exJW Psychology 102--How to Ask a Question When Questions Aren't Allowed

  by Billy the Ex-Bethelite in

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  now that enough time has passed and i've moved away, i think i'm overdue to share some of the stories from my fade.

  i've mentioned some of this before, but i think it deserves its own thread.. we all would like to be able to freely ask questions about jw beliefs and get our family and friends to really think about certain questions.

  however, when you're a baptized jw, you really can't ask any good questions or you'll get the "apostate" label slapped on you!

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  Love it!
  
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  [Day 8 - 14/8]Governing Body, Geoffrey Jackson - Royal Commissions On Child Sexual Abuse, Australia. + VIDEO

  by C0ntr013r in

  1. watchtower
  2. child-abuse

  the big day finally arrived!

  these amazing royal commission proceedings are available on youtube :).

  part 1 has been uploaded and part 2 will soon be available.. part 1:.

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  Ok, just got through Part 1 of Day 8. Whew...this is exhausting. I need a break.

  I took some notes this time. Jackson emphasized at least 3 times that under no circumstances would women ever be elders. Quoted 1 Timothy 3:1 as the scriptural reference for overseer/elder to be a man.
  

  Jackson did lie on a few points. He didn't exactly answer Stewart's question are you appointed by Jehovah. Jackson went on about being viewed as JW's 'fellow workers' which is crap. He didn't actually answer Stewart's question about being Jehovah's spokes people -- he just skirted it saying that would be presumptuous of us. Well GJ, you guys ARE presumptuous. He did mention living in the last days which makes them look bat sh!t crazy to every one outside the Borg.

  Jackson stated they are a faith based organization and not concerned with legal matters. WTF? This is a very disturbing statement. But then goes on to say that if reporting is made mandatory that makes it very easy for them. He uses Proverbs 25:8-10 as the basis for not rushing into a legal dispute with your neighbour (I just shake my head... how can you even contemplate hesitating over getting into a legal dispute about sexual abuse of a child?!!).
  

  Judge Peter McClellan asked him if JWs believe in the 'children should be seen and not heard' ideal. Jackson answered "We encourage children to communicate with their parents." Huh? I have no idea if this is true but what I do know, growing up as a JW child, you learn what NOT to communicate to your parents especially if you disagree with the religion.

  Jackson brought up headship and wives being in subjection to their husbands and husbands are head of wives -- this made me throw up a little in my mouth.

  McClellan wants the JWs to provide a scriptural reference for judges only being men. Wifibandit has already identified a scripture where a woman sat as a judge in ancient Israel (Judges 4:4-5). BAM!
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  Flying the Plane By Committee

  by freemindfade in

  1. watchtower
  2. child-abuse

  "in god's view, men and women are equal.

  but even people who fly airplanes realize you can't fly an airplanes by committee there has to be a pilot and a co-pilot.

  a woman is a co-worker, a complement, the bible refers to her as."-gj.

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  It is extremely difficult, maybe impossible, to wrest power, especially misogynistic power, from the hands of men whose mindsets are stuck in the 1st century.
  
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  I sent this to Angus Stewart this morning (Easter Standard Time)

  by Viviane in

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  2. scandals

  i just sent this email to angus stewart:.

  i hope this email finds you well.

  i would like to say thank you for your work on the royal commission, particularly in your handling of the jehovah's witnesses elders and experts during questioning.

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  This past Tue I received an email from the Royal Commission's CEO Philip Reed telling me that Angus Stewart had asked Philip Reed to respond to me on Angus' behalf.

  They wanted to inform me that my email was forwarded to the ARC's Case Study 29 public hearing team. The email also spoke of Geoffrey Jackson appearing to testify Fri Aug 14/15 and supplied a link to the live broadcast. They also thanked me for my interest in their work.

  I am quite impressed as I didn't expect to hear back from Angus let alone Mr. Reed. I replied back last night.
  
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  NU LIGHT JWs not only spokespersons for GAWD so says Governing Body Jackson

  by Watchtower-Free in

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  2. beliefs

  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nuwt4flyl-k .

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  Is Geoffrey Jackson planning on leaving the JWs or will he be DF'd? He is making it sound like they don't say they are God's mouthpiece. This is apostate behaviour.

  And he's a big fat liar.
  
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  Witness behavior in my gym ....

  by SecretSlaveClass in

  1. watchtower
  2. scandals

  about two months ago two very attractive ladies in their mid 30's signed on at one of the gyms i belong to.

  for a while i noticed them watching me and naturally i assumed they were taking an interest in how i went about training my clients since many do before they decide to approach me and inquire about my services (i own a health and fitness consultancy).. sure enough one of them approached me a few weeks back and asked me for a business card, inquired about rates and various other aspects involved with signing on with me.

  i handed her a card and explained that my client schedule was full but she should consider signing on with one of my personal trainers who still had some open spots available.

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  Being female, I would feel more comfortable with a female trainer.
  

  This woman is a liar and quite possibly a fornicator/adulterer. I totally call bull crap on her "Oh I was just trying to make conversation." statement.

  SSC you handle it well. And I have to agree with Vidiot... excellent parting comment. You probably won't see her again because I suspect she has now labelled you apostate or DF or something she has to shun.
  
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  Advice on Waiting for Jehovah

  by Anon_SA1 in

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  2. friends

  hi guys, .

  in discussions with a current jw, they told me that have big concerns with regards to the 607 bce date, but they are waiting on jehovah for refining.

  any suggestions on questions to pose to them based on their feedback?.

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  Botchtower's formula is 100% crap. This formula gets you nothing but bad results.

  Pray More + Wait on Jehovah = Nothing Gets Done and People get Ill/Hurt/Dead.

  edited to add: It is the exact opposite of Stephen Covey's First Habit of Highly Effective People.

  That habit is: Be Proactive.

  Stephen Covey knows more than the Almighty Jehovah(hahahaha).
  
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  Its really weird

  by SpunkedTeen in

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  i tried testing my family by mentioning that a member of the gb was summoned to appear in front of the royal commission and i found it really weird how they reacted.they dismissed it saying its just satan attacking the 'truth' and i could not believe how ignorant they are.they all think that the organization did nothing wrong or even that jw's abuse their children.

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  SpunkedTeen, sounds like you have some very valuable critical thinking skills that your family lack.
  

  Sometimes people want something to be true so badly that they turn a blind eye to facts and evidence. This is called delusion.

  If Geoffrey Jackson does appear before the Royal Commission, it will be very interesting to see how that proceeds.
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  The recent Royal Commission hearings have stirred up my emotions ....

  by troubled mind in

  1. jw
  2. experiences

  i hope the royal commission will be able to force the jw organization to take a serious look at itself ,and will cause some much needed changes.. i have been following the trial faithfully ,and unfortunately it has dredged up some deep pains from years ago .

  you think some of that old baggage is neatly packed away never meant to see the light of day again .....but then boom there it is again .. hearing what bcg had to go through, and how she felt trying to get help from the elders was heart-wrenching.

  i remember the terrible way young women were treated in the 1970's .

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  (((( troubled mind )))) The misogyny in the Bible and in religions makes them unpalatable to me and I suspect a lot of women. Religion has a veneer of moral righteousness that when pulled back exposes self-righteousness and abuse. Patriarchy doesn't work and is harmful. I am hoping the Borg gets its a$$ handed to them.

  TheWonderofYou said: ...my former elders educated me insofar....that a hymen , virgen membrane is a blessing of J*H G$D and a sign that girls have to wait til marriage of course, even the creation of de hymennn thus gives widness fo de druth.

  Some women are born without a hymen. So much for elders knowing what they are talking about.
  
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  My sons first talk

  by lukejmedic in

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  quick backstory:raised a jw, ms, reg pioneer, international need greater work.

  i have been da for 2 years, divorced, ex and my son live 6 hours away near walkill ny.. my sons first talk is coming up, in august.

  he is 7 years old.

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  Finkelstein, I had the same thought.