Posts by Heaven

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What does God really convey through Jesus?

by economy in

bible shows that jesus was passionate about people receiving `life in all its fullness' in the here and now, he loved fiercely, challenged corruption and hypocrisy of religious authority, feasted with the marginalized, chastised the holier-than-thou types, healed the sick, fed the hungry, restored broken lives, taught through stories and offered a drastically new kingdom where the last would be first and those that served would be known as greatest..... so good a personality, and a supreme ideal indeed to be imitated..

yet what was his finality?

rejection by people (and even by his own disciples who witnessed all supernatural miraclesincluding his resurrecting the dead) and a cruel and torturous death..

Heaven

Jesus was purported to be a miracle worker yet was incapable of eradicating slavery.

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Every Governing Body Decision is from Jehovah

by B4Right in

how do you convince a jw that every decision that comes from the governing body is not from god?.

my mom who is a pioneer said that the students are getting their work book a month early, then proceeded to say " jehovah knows what we need".. for you who now know ttat what did it take for you?.

Heaven

About 30 years ago, while visiting my parents, I asked both of them at the same time if God was directing the Watchtower?

At exactly the same time my Dad says "No." and my Mom says "Yes".

'You shoulda seen the 'holy shite' look pass between them.

I'm like 'uh huh'.

It actually doesn't matter what the answer is to that question.

If it is "Yes" than either Jeehoopla is f'ing with the Watchtower by constantly telling them wrong stuff or they are dumb asses and not 'getting' it right. Why subject oneself to this wackiness? As a JW you're on the front lines and you're going to have to defend this BS when you are challenged. How can you call this The Truth when it's wrong and constantly changing?

If it is "No", then why follow them? - they are just another religion making up crap as they go along. Just like all religion has done since it's inception

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It's All Crazy - But Do We Really Know What Is Out There After?

by yodastar in

just a thought!

after everything we were taught where is the evidence?

heaven, hell, reincarnation, universal energy or all of them?.

Heaven

And it is precisely because we do not know which makes life so awesome. The quest for knowledge continues.

I for one am very pumped to find out what Science discovers in the rest of my lifetime.

I was very excited to learn about the discovery last year of a planet similar to Earth (Kepler-186f).

It is also very wonderful that we know what we do know. And that time and time again, Science has proven religion to be false.

At one time Religion claimed that the Earth was flat, that it does not move and is the centre of the universe, that the heavens are static/unchangeable, that the Earth is only 6,000 years old, that if you are afflicted in some way (say with leprosy or epilepsy or some other issue) that you are an abomination - you are evil or in disfavour with God or that demons possess you or you are in league with Lucifer.

The hunger for and pursuit of knowledge has been the one thing that has lifted us out of the tyranny of those who believe mythology is truth.

I would suggest that you begin to regularly check in with the Scientific community.

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Religions Are - Awesome Quote

by yodastar in

my wife grew up without a religious upbringing.

she was passed down a german bible given to her grandfather in 1935 which had a hand written inscription by two jewish colleagues of her grandfather at the time.

inside was a quote either written by her relatives or anonymous, not sure which but i really had to share it as it really sums it up for me - enjoy!.

Heaven

Religions Are ..
The fossilized philosophies and petrified politics of past ages. Managed and modified by myths and legends to mystify and mollify the masses when they question the meaning of life.

Awesome quote!

Morals are innate.

Religion and God are unnecessary. Many are living their lives just fine without them.

Edited to add: 'disgard all that is a hindrance'. To me, Religion and God definitely fall under 'hindrance'.

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I had every intention of going to the Memorial last night.......

by dubstepped in

i wanted to go and to do it for jehovah and jesus and what they've done for me.

i wanted it to be a personal thing between them and i. i haven't been to a meeting in close to a year, not that anyone notices or cares.

this isn't my first stint away, and nobody would notice or care if i was found dead.

Heaven

Once you've seen the man behind the curtain, the magic is lost. Once you know history, you can't unknow it.

Religious buildings of any kind just creep me out now.

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Christian self-righteousness

by fulltimestudent in

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doesn't matter what brand of christianity - this cartoon says it all:.

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Heaven

I love this quote from Christopher Hitchens:

"We've got to grow up out of this stuff you know."

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Nisan 14 Enigma!

by The Searcher in

where did jesus take his faithful 11 apostles immediately after finishing the meal in the upper room?.

anyone looked at this before?

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Heaven

ron rawson said: The advertisement that popped up on my computer under The Searchers comments says: "Maui Hotel Deluxe Oceanfront Maui Condos. Rooms as Low as $99." I had to laugh.....maybe thats the real answer to the original question on this thread......

I'm getting The Sea Pines Resort. Too funny!

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LOL Deut 13:1-5

by Jonathan Drake in

omg i've never read this before or if i did i never caught it... .

13 [a]if a prophet or a dreamer of dreams arises among you and gives you a sign or a wonder,2 and the sign or the wonder comes true, concerning which he spoke to you, saying, let us go after other gods (whom you have not known) and let us serve them, 3 you shall not listen to the words of that prophet or that dreamer of dreams; for the lord your god is testing you to find out if you love the lord your god with all your heart and with all your soul.

4 you shall follow the lordyour god and fear him; and you shall keep his commandments, listen to his voice, serve him, and cling to him.

Heaven

This god sounds really co-dependent.

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The Watchtower are Right About Blood...

by cofty in

... but, they fail to take note of one important detail.. i believe that if we are going to have any chance of reasoning with a jw about blood, this is the place we need to begin.. don't try to convince them that it was only a dietary law.

it wasn't, and they will never go along with it.. don't tell them that saving a life is more important than obeying a law, even a seemingly trivial one.

they take pride in obedience.

Heaven

Excellent points, cofty.

The members in this thread claiming Bible veracity have clearly not researched it's origins. While there is a smattering of historical 'accuracy' in the Bible (for example, there is evidence to show cities called Megiddo, Hazor and Gezer did actually exist), the stories surrounding these have been greatly exaggerated, as Finkelstein says, to entrench the god Yahweh as the one true god over all others. There was definitely an idea, possibly agenda, to convert the ancient peoples from polytheism to monotheism. This actually carried on well past the time of the Bible (ala Crusades, Spanish Inquistion, Witch Burnings). By the way, they weren't 100% successful in this endeavour.

I had an interesting conversation with my Father about the whole blood issue. He and I have the same blood type so I asked him if he would accept a blood transfusion from me. After all, half my blood is his blood, correct? He had to think about that for a while. He was struggling with whether or not my blood contained any 'contaminants' since I wasn't a JW. I said my blood could be tested and if found uncontaminated would he take it.

He eventually answered a tentative 'no'. I told him that if he was ever in a situation where he needed a blood transfusion to save his life such as he was bleeding out, there would be no way I would watch him die in that manner. He just shrugged his shoulders.

Perhaps if I had had cofty's points to argue back then, I may have been able to exact a different result.

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Calling all lovers of Jehovahs and His Christ

by vinman in

i must say that i have always loved jehovah and his son jesus christ.

i have a 12 inch diameter telescope.

i would go outside and listen to the psalms that praised to my god.

Heaven

How are you dealing with discovering TTATT?

It has confirmed my suspicions. And a huge weight has been lifted off of me. I no longer have Armageddon or demon nightmares.