Oh really!!! Perhaps I will use the simplified version of the WT to teach my 6 year old kid English!!!
JustHuman14
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New simplified Watchtower
by alanv inbeginning with the july 15th 2011 edition of the watchtower, the society are producing a simplified version of the study copy.. this is apparantly for the many people whose first language is not english, and yet they live in a predominantly englsih speaking county.. the normal study edition will still be produced but it looks like the cong.
will be able to ask for a supply of the simplified version each month.. this simplified version can be downloaded from the watchtower site.. http://www.jw.org/index.html.
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So the WTS wants paranoia? Great - here's how to help them achieve that goal
by sir82 inone of the lines in that wt:.
how do false teachers fool people?
they do this in a very clever way.
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JustHuman14
The WT's founder IS an apostate: Try to bring Russell's books in the congregation or discuss them! How come YHWH allowed His servants to believe this kind of staff??? How could the Great Pyramid be a "witness"of God, and by measuring the pyramid we come up in 1914?
How come Jesus chosen in 1919 the Bible Student's from all the Christian groups that existed, and He did because of their UNIQUE teachings:
1. In 1874 Jesus took the throne at the Kindom of heavens
2. In 1878 the Heavenly door closed
3. In 1914 Armagedon would begin
4. The Great Pyramid and the passages inside show to us importand dates
5. The Bible Students believed in Cross, Christmas, celebrated birthdays
So can we trust Jesus for chosing Bible Students and their unique believes??
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re-enforcing the shunning of immediate family - WT 7-15-11
by undercover injuly 15th wt study edition (regular dumb edition, not the dumber one).
god's rest - have you entered into it?.
subheading, when someone we love leaves jehovah.
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JustHuman14
What a crap! How does YHWH feels!!! Boy the GB must be sitting next to God in order for them to know and write how He feels!!!
WT a discusting Cult that destroyes human lifes....
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I ended my bible study today
by still thinking ini have officially stopped my bible study today.
i have been trying to for weeks (after 10 years of on/off studying).
it got to the stage where i was asking too many of those questions that made everyone feel uncomfortable.
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JustHuman14
Υοu can see that their friendship was with terms and conditions. Move on, there many things you can do, make new friends, discover life. I can feel you regarding this forum.I know is a really big one but you can look for smaller jwsupport forums and really enjoy a chat there.
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July 15th WT out - Coming out Swinging at Apostates Hard
by LostGeneration inthis is one of the most aggressive watchtowers i think i have ever read.. four study articles on not "following the crowd" not following unrealities(page 13) not following false teachers, meaning apostates of course(p 15).
avoiding false teachers means "refusing to read their literature, watch tv programs that feature them, examine their web sites, or add comments to their blogs.
(para 7, pg 16).
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JustHuman14
Since I know from personal experience that WT is monitoring "apostate websites" ( I know they do this in Greece) in order to catch as many as they can of the thousands JW's who started question the WT and their doctrines. I will like to say the following:
1. What do you call a person or a group of persons that they are claiming to be "God's mouthpiece" a modern prophet for the last days, that they are "God directed" but not inspired by the Holy Spirit, but we MUST believe every prophecy that comes from their God directed but not inspired brain, even though those prophetic words, that supposed God or Jesus, or the Holy Spirit guided them to express, all of them failed ??
2. What do you call a person or a group of persons who do not accept blood transfusion for an emergency life threatening situation and specially to save the life of a small child, but they accept blood fractions to inject them to the patient?
3. What do you call a person or a group of persons that rejected organ transplants for 18 years, because they considered someone to have human organs as an act of cannibalism, thousands died because they thought it was "God's" command in this issue, and then changed their minds, or God or Jesus did, and it was all right to have a human organ in order to save your life?
4. What do you call a person or a group of persons, that they cannot make their minds if God will resurrect the people of Sodom and Gomorrah, they print out 2 books at the same year 1989 - Revelation the Grand Climax and the Book Insight of the Scriptures that both books hold an opposite teaching?
5. What do you call a person or a group of persons that they are claiming that the END IS NEAR, JUST AROUND THE CORNER, WE ARE LIVING IN THE LAST DAYS, THE GENERATION WILL NO PASS, THE END WILL COME BEFORE THE NEW MILLEΝNIUM, but the end never seems to come?
6. What do you call a person who tells to the world that the Ancient Prophets will resurrect in 1925, purchase an expensive mansion in California, drives 2 expensive cars in the time of the Great Economic Crisis in USA, (a car that only the US president had), lives like a prince, sends his followers to sell the books he is writting, drinks a lot of Scotch and he is waiting for the Ancient prophets to come and knock at his door, in order for them to take command of"God's Army" and lead it to Armageddon?
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JustHuman14
For sure this is work of the Devil to confuse the "true" Christians!!!
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FDS says - "No need to check our work. Besides, it will only make God angry."
by Crisis of Conscience inthough i no longer believe the fds is indeed appointed by god, i guess because of what has been taught to me all these years through the wtbts, i still make an effort to try and look at both sides.
and then i come across this number below, which is how i arrived at my title for this thread.
***w81 2/15 p.19 do we need help to understand the bible?***.
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JustHuman14
FDS is above Jesus, and even those "unbelievers"the Bereans, who dared to EXAMINE all things!!!
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They don't even know their own doctrines...
by Leto ini had an interesting exchange on facebook with some random jw's on the april auxillary piosneering page.
seems they don't realize that the watchtower has set itself up as the mediator between the great crowd and jesus.
i post multiple watchtowers that outright say that "jesus is not mediator towards all mankind, but only 'spiritual israel', or the 144,000...".
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JustHuman14
So the GB is the Mediator of JW's and not Jesus. I'm sure that the Old Fools in Brooklyn they might come with a Scripture indicating that prayers should attend to them and not God/Jesus!!!
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JW tells granddaughter that her parents are Satan Worshippers
by darthfader init's a pretty polarizing statement.
either you are in the "truth" and the light of the organization or you are a satan worshipper.. i guess i now realize who the statement "having no natural effection" applies to.. sheesh....
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JustHuman14
that's sick!!!
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Does the Christian message fall apart without a literal interpretation of Genesis?
by nicolaou in.
what's the point of jesus if adam & eve did not 'fall' and condemn us all to sin?.
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JustHuman14
Even as far as the time of Eve's creation, God had not created a single earthly creation of his as a perfect one, as Moses tells us in Genesis 1 31: And God looked upon everything that He had created, and behold, they were VERY FINE.
Those who are familiar with the Greek language can easily discern that the expression "very fine" (καλ? λ?αν) is a far cry from the word "perfect" (τ?λειον). A perfect creation is one that has nothing lacking in it. Therefore, both Adam and Eve and the rest of material creation that is described in Genesis, were DEFICIENT.
Does this mean that God didn't know how to do things properly? Of course not!The reason He didn't create them perfect from the beginning, was that Creation was still lacking something, even after the creation of mankind. There was yet another element that had to be attained, which required the collaboration of man. This detail is apparent, in the following tract:The image and the likeness.
Genesis 1 26,27: "And the Lord said: Let's make man, according to our image and according to our likeness.....And God created man according to His image. According to the image of God He created him." Here -according to the teaching of the Fathers- God appears to have the intention of creating man "according to the image and to the likeness" of Himself. When He eventually created man, He made man in His image. And this is where the formula of perfection is hidden: Man, having being created "according to God's image" was "very fine". But, when man becomes "according to God's likeness", he would then be on a course towards PERFECTION.
Given that God is what He is, BECAUSE HE WANTS TO and not because He is compelled to, man must likewise WANT TO, must attempt to, through use of his freedom as "the image of" and his intelligence, reach perfection; in other words, seek the course towards becoming "according to the likeness of God." This is a characteristic that man alone has, in all of creation.
It was not possible for man to be created perfect straight away (=compulsorily). Satan had enticed man, that he would become "according to the likeness of God" through his independence and self-government, without the collaboration of the Holy Spirit. Because of this, man failed to attain the goal of perfection (=he sinned), thus, instead of becoming "according to the likeness of God", man now "resembled the decadent beasts". The goal of perfection is the goal of every Christian, as is evident in the following Gospel excerpts:
Matthew 5: 48: "Be therefore perfect, just as your Father in heaven is perfect".
Hebrews 6: 1: "..putting aside the initial teaching of Christ, let us move on, towards perfection.."
Ephesians 4: 13: "Until such time as we shall all have reached the unity of the faith and the awareness of the Son of God, (thus becoming) a perfect man, to that measure of age of the fullness of Christ."We must clarify something here: When the Holy Bible speaks of perfection, it is nowhere referring to the perfection of the physical body, as perceived by "Witnesses". The Bible speaks of a similarity to God, which has absolutely nothing to do with a corporal inference. The fact that the bodies of the perfected acquire incorruptibility and immortality is only the natural result of perfection, and not perfection itself.
So, how can we become similar to God, if we haven't seen Him? Once again, the answer lies in the phrase: "according to His image and according to His likeness". It doesn't say: "image and likeness".What does the word "according to" (Greek=κατ?) imply? It implies "the image of the image" of God, and not God's image directly. Who then is the direct image of God? It is Jesus Christ of course:Collosians 1: 15: "...who is the image of the invisible God..."Adam, therefore, had been created "according to the image of God", or, "as an image of Christ.The fact that Jesus Christ had not yet been incarnated as a man, is not an issue. God, Who is beyond time, and as the Creator of Time, knows the future full well. All of this, is in compliance with Ephesians 4: 13 that we mentioned previously. We must therefore strive towards the example that was set by the Lord Jesus Christ, because this is what will lead us to becoming "according to the likeness" of God - in other words, our path towards perfection.Could it be that perfection is not feasible, since we are referring to the infinitely perfect God? This is partially true. To reach Him is definitely impossible. But we can draw nearer to Him, from now through to all eternity, becoming more and more according to His likeness, as we can see from the following verse:
Corinthians II, 3: 18: "but we all, with face uncovered, as reflections of the glory of God, are transformed into the same image, from glory to glory."
Perfection therefore is a relative idea, and each one of us is on a course towards the likeness, either of God, or of his enemy the Devil. The free will of each one of us is the determining factor for the stage of progress one has attained. Perfection is not a destination point. It is a non-stop course!A verse that indicates this relative meaning of the word "perfection" appears very early in the Holy Bible:Genesis 6: 9: "Noah was a righteous man, perfect amongst those of his time. Noah had walked with God..." Noah is regarded perfect, as compared to his contemporaries, because "he walked with God." He was on the course towards perfection! He had exhausted all the means available to him at the time, on his road towards perfection.
The reality is, that the creation of mankind was perfected, much, much later. It was only upon the birth of our Lord Jesus Christ, that man (at last) appeared in a state of perfection. Jesus Christ was the only man Who was actually perfect. In His person, mankind had found the fulfillment of God's purpose for it: "let's create man....according to our likeness."
Jesus had opened the way towards perfection and towards all those who were on the path for becoming "according to the likeness". James 3: 9: ".....men, who have been made according to the likeness of God...."