Posts by Hyghlandyr

It is some health food crap that my sis buys but it is coated in honey. Yummy. I had a bowl of it yesterday. My other neice is going to want grilled cheese I think. So I will make her that in a bit. Then I am going to finish the paperwork for ecot and send it off. The eldest (the eldest of the youngest two that is) starts school this year and will be on ecot. Isnt that way cool?

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I NEED your advice!!!!! Please reply!

by worldly girl in

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ok here's the deal..... i've not had much to do w/ my parents since jan '02 when my mother and i got into over her force feeding my 3 year old the "troof".

when i respectfully ask her on behalf of myself and my non jw husband, to respect us enough to let us teach our child about religion.... her response was "well if you don't want her around our religion, then don't bring her around us".

and during the course of this conversation she stated this in the most hateful of tones at least 4 or 5 times to both me and my husband, in front of our daughter.... well i was furious.... that she would say such a thing and openly chose to have nothing to w/ my daughter.. without being given an ultimatum<sp> to choose.

Hyghlandyr

WARNING!!!

If your mom won't listen to you about the sex abuse you suffered at the hands of the witnesses, will she or your father really protect them from other wicked men in their congregation?

(No need for me to comment on the rest because others have stated very well some things you can do...I just wanted to bring this one point up jesb...hugs see you in yahoo)

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Deleting A Poster Akin To DF'ing?

by Englishman in

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i recently got an email from mr. moe.

amongst other things, she says that she hated df'ing when she was a dub, so she abhores the banning of certain posters from this site, because it seems so similar to df'ing.. i think her opinion is of great value and warrants looking at closely.

is suspending someone for the contents of their posts justifiable then?

Hyghlandyr

The Watchtowers claim that you knew the rules when you joined, doesnt really cut it though. The courts are unaware of numerous instances when folks are disfellowshipped for things that they are told they cannot be. I was told by an elder, a partaker (I dont call them annointed) that I could not be dfed if I celebrated my birthday. It would just show me to be spiritually weak. Good thing I didnt listen. The Nov 99 watchtower said that a person voting would not be excluded. Yet the COs were going around telling elders it was still a DA offence. Different langauge same thing. It is against the LAW to do something it is a CRIME to do something. However you word it your sorry boooo tocks is still in jail.

There is no place a witness can go to that has in one concise form all of the current does and don'ts. They are unaware that some pretty silly things can get them dfed. They are unware that if they arent 'sinning' but have a temptation and go to the elders with that, they might end up dfed. They are unaware that they can appeal. They are unaware that the appeal almost never works. They are unaware that there are people doing things flagrantly against the "rules" like elders children, and getting away with them. While others are being cast out and aside, humiliated, and hurt, for greed, and jealousy.

Long and the short of it is DF/DA is an excellent tool to control people. I use it myself in the yahoo chat rooms. Our DAs/DFs (group ignore) last usually a few minutes. Often with us not even really putting the person on ignore. Then when they speak we say "Sir, you are on ignore, kindly refrain from typing. How can I ignore what you say if you continue to insist on saying it?" And when I get my cult goin I will use it if any of the broads in my harem act up. "That's it lassie! To the spanking bench!" Course then if I spank her I really havent dfed her. But I dont think she will be a complainin.

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Deleting A Poster Akin To DF'ing?

by Englishman in

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i recently got an email from mr. moe.

amongst other things, she says that she hated df'ing when she was a dub, so she abhores the banning of certain posters from this site, because it seems so similar to df'ing.. i think her opinion is of great value and warrants looking at closely.

is suspending someone for the contents of their posts justifiable then?

Hyghlandyr

Oh, and we practice shunning on yahoo chat. We call it GROUP IGNORE.

Sometimes we do it because someone comes in with boot codes trying to knock us out.

Sometimes we do it because someone is just scrolling and we cant see each other.

Sometimes we do it because someone comes in and says " DONT KNOCK AT MY DOOR MFERS..." gee dude never heard that one before..

Sometimes we do it to have fun and humiliate a new arrival.

Sometimes we do it to each other because we are just that way.

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Deleting A Poster Akin To DF'ing?

by Englishman in

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i recently got an email from mr. moe.

amongst other things, she says that she hated df'ing when she was a dub, so she abhores the banning of certain posters from this site, because it seems so similar to df'ing.. i think her opinion is of great value and warrants looking at closely.

is suspending someone for the contents of their posts justifiable then?

Hyghlandyr

Some Defintions:

Main Entry: dis-
Function: prefix
Etymology: Middle English dis-, des-, from Old French & Latin; Old French des-, dis-, from Latin dis-, literally, apart; akin to Old English te- apart, Latin duo two -- more at TWO
1 a : do the opposite of <disestablish> b : deprive of (a specified quality, rank, or object) <disfranchise> c : exclude or expel from <disbar>
2 : opposite or absence of <disunion> <disaffection>
3 : not <disagreeable>
4 : completely <disannul>
5 [by folk etymology] : DYS- <disfunction>

Main Entry: 1 fellowship
Pronunciation: 'fe-l&-"ship, -lO-
Function: noun
Date: before 12th century
1 : COMPANIONSHIP, COMPANY
2 a : community of interest, activity, feeling, or experience b : the state of being a fellow or associate
3 : a company of equals or friends : ASSOCIATION
4 : the quality or state of being comradely
5 obsolete : MEMBERSHIP, PARTNERSHIP
6 a : the position of a fellow (as of a university) b : the stipend of a fellow c : a foundation for the providing of such a stipend

So to dis-fellowship (which isnt even a word btw) is to do the opposite of fellowship. To not be in a state of companionship or activity, feeling, interest, experience. To not be equals or friends. And yes in that case simon is disfellowshipping folks. So did the pub owner.

But do Jehovah's Witnesses dis-fellowship people? Certainly. However, they do not stop at dis-fellowshipping. They then take it a few steps further.

Main Entry: shun
Pronunciation: 'sh&n
Function: transitive verb
Inflected Form(s): shunned; shunning
Etymology: Middle English shunnen, from Old English scunian
Date: before 12th century
: to avoid deliberately and especially habitually
synonym see ESCAPE
- shunner noun

And

Main Entry: humiliate
Pronunciation: hy-'mi-lE-"At, y-
Function: transitive verb
Inflected Form(s): -ated; -ating
Etymology: Late Latin humiliatus, past participle of humiliare, from Latin humilis low -- more at HUMBLE
Date: circa 1534
: to reduce to a lower position in one's own eyes or others' eyes : MORTIFY
- humiliation / -"mi-lE-'A-sh&n / noun

And

Main Entry: mortify
Pronunciation: 'mor-t&-"fI
Function: verb
Inflected Form(s): -fied; -fying
Etymology: Middle English mortifien, from Middle French mortifier, from Late Latin mortificare, from Latin mort-, mors
Date: 14th century
transitive senses
1 obsolete : to destroy the strength, vitality, or functioning of
2 : to subdue or deaden (as the body or bodily appetites) especially by abstinence or self-inflicted pain or discomfort
3 : to subject to severe and vexing embarrassment : SHAME
intransitive senses
1 : to practice mortification
2 : to become necrotic or gangrenous

I am thinking mostly of 3...and that is what JWs do. While shunning and avoiding people, they also mortify them. They talk about them in front of the person. One woman I know who is "DFed" has had her mother tell her husband right in front of her "Tell Anne bla bla bla" (name changed). WHATEVER! Others I know have stood in line in stores and listened to witnesses talk about them right in their presence. Simply to humiliate them.

Cancelling an account is slightly different. This isnt to say in all cases it is justified. I am not paying attention to who all is deleted.

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mikepence threatened to sue me / contributions

by Simon in

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as you may or may not be aware the poster 'mikepence' has asked people to donate to enable him (and his family?

) to travel to the silentlambs march and to file charges against their alleged abuser.

because he seemed to suddenly become very opposed to the idea of attending the march, i and some others asked him what i thought were simple and reasonable questions.

Hyghlandyr

Simon if you remove his posts then as you said the evidence is gone. let him try what he will, The court will dismiss his action immediately. Please leave the posts up so the rest of us can examine the evidence ourselves. Also so in future cases on other forums we can point other people here if similar circumstances occur.

As to not posting requests for money, that is entirely reasonable. Frankly no one is paying for my sister and I to go to the march (though a gracious friend is perhaps allowing us and many others to stay at her place for a couple of nights). So why should anyone else be paid for?

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We shall NOT watch how we walk

by mikepence in

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my family will not be attending the march.

i respect bill and what he has accomplished, but i believe that attempts to control the march and the marchers, are misplaced -- even damaging for victims of abuse -- who have been controlled enough!.

the last thing victims of abuse need is to be told to keep up appearances.

Hyghlandyr

Cassiline you really are the Goddess of Pasts Posts. That is what I am going to call you when we have our deification ceremonies in our temple. You go lass...kick ass!

Any question that Mike didnt know about these dates is clearly removed. Frankly I am not thinking he collected the funds with devious motives. But I do think that he is being petty. No control? We are all controlled to one degree or another. I prefer Bill to "control" me by following his guidelines which are entirely reasonable, than to be controlled by a jail cell for throwing tear gas..as I said before WTFever. Or to be controlled by fear of DFing. Etc.

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What will YOU say at Sept March?

by Hyghlandyr in

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all you lurkers out there listen up

the march is going to be very peaceful.

there will be too many of us there that support silent lambs (not the organization but the actual silent lambs that it represents) to allow others to make it get out of hand.

Hyghlandyr

Cool Nanoprobe. Hopefully we might have 3 coming from Yahoo chat. At least one besides me. Maybe my sister. If mark and robert (they are friends who went with the vigil in may, never jws at all) and besides kids, that might make as many as ten thus far. We will hope and see.

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What will YOU say at Sept March?

by Hyghlandyr in

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all you lurkers out there listen up

the march is going to be very peaceful.

there will be too many of us there that support silent lambs (not the organization but the actual silent lambs that it represents) to allow others to make it get out of hand.

Hyghlandyr

All you lurkers out there listen up

The march is going to be very peaceful. There will be too many of us there that support Silent Lambs (not the organization but the actual silent lambs that it represents) to allow others to make it get out of hand. We are not going to be acting violently. We are going to walk, as Bill said, in a calm manner up to Bethel. Bill has the needed permits. He has t-shirts for any that wish to wear them. Anyone else can dress how they choose. We will be calm and restrained. We will express our sorrows to the media. We will expose the watchtower society's policies. If (yeah right) the Governing Body actually talks to us or sends representatives we will speak calmly to them. We will inform them that we are not indicting all of Jehovahs Witnesses. That there are true Jehovahs Witnesses and they do in fact abhor Child Abuse. But that they have infiltrators among their midsts and it is impossible to tell them from the real JWs. At least that is what I will say, and did say to the elders at Bowen's Appeal.

So join us for a calm march to garner media attention for abuse victims and survivors. The more of us calm ones that are there, the more we can protest in a civilized manner.

Hugs to all.

nanoprobe you helped highlight this, any other things you want to add.

Edited by - Hyghlandyr on 20 August 2002 17:51:45