Posts by jookbeard

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Was the ransom premature? Shouldn't the effects of Adamic sin have been reversed at the time of Jesus' death?

by deegee in

if the ransom was paid at the time of jesus' death (mark 15:45, matthew 20:28, 1 timothy 2:6, hebrews 2:9), then why weren't the effects of adamic sin (sickness & death) reversed at that time?.

it seems to me that either:- the payment of the ransom was premature.

- god was not satisfied with the payment of the ransom; it was not sufficient to make up for adam's & eve's so-called "sin".hasn't god extracted enough from mankind as payment for adam's & eve's "sin" given the billions of persons who have lived and died?.

jookbeard

a very poignant question indeed and one that is so unsatisfactorily still unanswered, Theist Christians will still claim the hopeless old chestnut that there is still a sovereignty issue being solved, so billions of mankind still have to suffer because of a dick waving competition between god and the devil? laughable

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A Brother refusing to pray?

by HereIgo in

i remember there was a brother in my congregation while i was in who would comment at all meetings but if asked to pray at a meeting or meeting for service he would always politely refuse.

i always found it odd, i assumed as a young bro, that a bro was kind of obligated to pray if asked.

knowing what i know now, it could have been a guilty conscience or maybe he just wanted to be lowkey.

jookbeard

I used to hate praying at the KH/book study etc, I bet my prayers sounded crap also, we had a family friend who was a jw for many years but never made the grade, he used to swear like a docker a truley foul mouthed man, he used to love to pray at the meetings though, these uber humble spiritual prays used to ooze from him, I used to laugh to myself quietly, little would the cong have known that particular afternoon I was working with him and he was repeatedly using the F and C word!

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How do you feel about the expression "The Truth"?

by stuckinarut2 in

it's amazing how the expression "the truth" has become such an ingrained term used by witnesses.. "we have 'the truth'".

"is he 'in the truth'?".

most here have found out so many facts about the organisation, and felt the effects of being "gut-punched" as we realised these facts.. so how do you feel about the expression "the truth" now?.

jookbeard

it does take a while to shake off this dreadful expression, but it doesn't take long to lose it!

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Are Gods true worshippers on Earth today? If they are not JWs then who are they?

by Formerbrother in

is there gods true worshipers on earth today as jesus said there would be?

if they are not jws then who are they?.

who else comes close to being gods true followers today?.

jookbeard

you are partly right FB, we are all either gods people or none of us are, I dont see any scripture that says where god would have an exclusive group of his most favoured people on the Earth now, a truly insane notion, but there are many that do believe so, I ask this and even the WTS and other cults promote this, that since 33CE it is assumed there has been an unbroken line of individuals and groups that have been allegedly part of this exclusive group, who are they? name them? and who is to be the next group?

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Jehovah's Limp Witnesses Pointed Me to JW.org When I Was Willing to Talk

by steve2 in

several months ago i approached a nice young couple who were standing by a jw literature stand in my local community.

they were pleasant and polite but incredibly stilted when it came to answering my "innocent" questions about their beliefs.

this was the occasion of jws featuring the article headlined "is religion dying?".

jookbeard

they did the same to me some time back, I told them their website mentions nothing about their UN membership hence the discussion

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If this system goes on.

by karter in

jw
friends

i heard my hard out jw sister say that for the 1st time in many years and i'm hearing more and more jw's saying that.

years ago when i was in they talked about the new system coming any minute..

jookbeard

sad hearing the comments from the old timers resigned to their deaths in this system and hoping for a resurrection an even more preposterous and insane hope.

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Well, the Apostasy Accusations Begins...

by Sorry in

so, it finally happened.

the first time i have been called out for being an apostate.

it started out innocently enough: my family and i were watching a tv show.

jookbeard

that last sentence was pure classic, brilliant!

Be careful how you tread now though , you know a set of events will have been triggered, exactly the same happened to me, I was letting off little soundbites about their history etc and all of a sudden got the call at my door and two elders standing there.

I admire you honesty and bravery, these issues are very difficult to tackle.

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Crisis of Conscience: December 12, 2015 - 50 weeks later

by Jehalapeno in

jw
friends

i am presently considering three different routes to publishing crisis of conscience.

i hope to make a decision within days and plan to publish within weeks.. it has now been 50 weeks since that statement.. has the book been published yet?

jookbeard

a debacle and total farce, as Steve2 says the longer the delay the better it is for the WTS to make some sort of move, it needs to be out there.

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Jehovah God is Real

by TakeOffTheCrown in

there are many on this site that do not believe that jehovah truly exists; that he is not a real being.

but, he is as real as next breath you draw into your nostrils.. some of you say that there is no evidence that he exists.

yet, none of you can prove that he does not exits.. cofty, (you come to mind), i appreciate that you have stated, without reservation, that you do not believe that god exists.. yet, you cannot prove it.. hope in jehovah..

jookbeard

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I've been embarrassed so many times!

by stillin in

i was kind of proud to go out in field service, most of the time.

important message, straight from god to their doors, right?.

but if you met with the group and didn't have previous arrangements, you could end up with the village idiot for a companion.

jookbeard

LostandFound, I remember John Blanley being escorted to a seat near the field one year at Twickenham while I was on field security with his Bethel helper, he was in the advanced stages of dementia.