you guys might have read the article below before but this was the first time i was reading this and i certainly got chills from reading it!
i couldn't believe my eyes!
11 well, now, what about this disfellowshiped person?
So easy to forget they come from a Company.
A book 'publishing' company..... and they still hang on to the notion of "Publisher". Unbelievable.
If only JWs would look to their own history.
As for disfellowshipping.... nothing to say other than go read the whole account of the prodigal son - if that parable is part of the model they have signally failed. I don't recall the father giving 6 month's worth of proven repentance before he threw that party! Idiots.
i guess it only took three years, but they were hell in so many ways for both of us...she was not happy and lived in denial as much as possible...i was not happy and lived in a bottle as much as possible and glad that is over for me....but it was one of the saddest things i have ever experienced in my life....as was the visit to my parents before i told her....but yes...she said she kind of expected it...was thinking something was going to happen soon as she noticed i had more and more trouble saying i love you back to her when she said it on the phone at the end of goodbyes...and when i was leaving the house...i had noticed it for over a year and it was killing me..... i told her how sorry i was for changing so much again....and that she still walks on water...and is a great person and so pretty....and that she will be ok because she was happy single before me for many years and had all she needs for that again...her closeness to jehovah and her freinds in the congregation...she is very close to both and will be ok i hope...it was very surreal....very calm...very sad.
my bitterness and disdain for wt rules came through when talking to my parents and i was very open about how i feel as to their upcoming shunning of me, and how it feels to my son since he was just 17....and how the fear of losing them had kept me trying in my marriage for the past few years...dad was firm in his position of future action....mom said they will still always love me...and will still talk to me until i get dfd.....oh how this hurts.....dad said there is a name for people who only live for themselves and deny god but could not think of what it was....i told him i was not living just for myself...that i am a good person and there are values from him and the bible i hope i always have....i cry so hard as i type this and tell you just so you can know how painful this is....i told him i so loved the rule of treating others how you want to be treated and have always done that...even allowing myself to be wronged on so many occasions to keep peace....... he said that was a good rule....i agreed and said it was a big one too....and that while i could do it...treat him the way i would like to be treated...he would not be able to!.......left as i became emotional...big hug from mom, but i just barely put an arm on dad............oompa.
Hi Oomps - as soon as I saw you as Marty Feldman I knew I could relate to you. I've always had time to read what you say.
Sorry you've come to this - but only for the immediate pain and grief. Purps hit the nail bang on the head. There is nothing like coming to face the reality of the truths you're both now facing.
I was down this path 5 or 6 years ago..... man it hurts and really bad. But - there is an end.
Now, in 2009, I'm happily remarried and between us my new and I have 7 kids and 7 grandkids (only three kids have springoffs so goodness how many we'll end up with). My ex-wife is getting remarried this weekend and, according to our daughter, is laughing - she is happy. I would not deny her that even after all the grief she caused the whole family.
As for my JW mum - tougher! She has come to the realisation that I'm still her son. I've made it plain she has a duty to her god to recognise her son and as such she speaks now. Even then it was convoluted argument over Agape Love and Unconditional Love. I can tell you it's been a long, hard graft.
Don't give up and enjoy your new start. I believe Churchill said about the Battle of Britain - "It's not the beginning of the end but the end of the beginning" - from here on is your start.
I'm with you Oomps - for the whole journey.
... when you have a fine and fair discussion with a jw over some spiritual "jw controversy",.
he brings his facts, you bring your facts, .
your facts are beating his facts,.
It takes an arrogant and a person of poor demeanour to accuse another of "Lacking Humility".
What are their qualifications for making a judgement of that nature?
Stirkes me they have the problem with humility!
any body have it?
the sheet music to the song "urgent" by foreigner?.
i told my 12 year old granddaughter that i'd give her $100.00 if she would learn to play the solo saxaphone part, on her saxaphone.. .
Save yourself $100 and don't ask and stop searching!
Seriously - what a lovely Grandma.
www.musicnotes.com - they're pretty good --- I found this...
... if she will prove me from the bible accuracy of 1914. and i stressed i really mean it.. we had one of the usual evening discussions and this was the result.. she said she is not ready for this and must do some preparation and aditional study (which is funny for somebody raised up in a hard-core jw family, baptized over 25 years, who spent over a decade in regular pioneering, reads wt for hours every week and have brought several people into jw cult...).
but ok, she pulled out several publications and is doing her preparation now and tonight we will have the discussion.. to motivate her i told her:.
1) if you will be succesfull i will go to preach to everybody in our street about 1914/607 during my pioneering.
Tuesday - you forgot the 'no year zero' rule!
http://www.jehovahs-witness.net/jw/experiences/176622/1/update-from-open-mind.
http://www.jehovahs-witness.net/members/private/177326/1/point-of-no-return-had-the-f-d-slave-talk-with-my-wife.
http://www.jehovahs-witness.net/members/private/178025/1/my-jw-wife-is-looking-at-jws-on-the-net-wahoo.
Good news! Happy for you both
i'm trying to gather data on ex-jws to analyze for a statistics class.
i'd appreciate it if you'd click the link and take my short survey.
it's only 7 questions and is anonymous.. .
Done!
four months have past since i made my first post here.
it generated 9 pages of discussion- thanks to renaai.
i was called trevor by ninja at one point.........hopefully it is apparent that i am not.
And a good job you made of it too!
Keep up your progress..... sanity checks like yours are very worthwhile. Glad things are looking up for you.
isn't it strange how something all of a sudden hits you smack between the eyes - even after being presented with the same 'raw' data for years?
(i was baptised in 1971.).
i've realised in all the organisations to which i've ever belonged (there have been a few) - only the jws keep their rule books (whatever you might like to call them) a closely guarded secret.
Isn't it strange how something all of a sudden hits you smack between the eyes - even after being presented with the same 'raw' data for years? (I was baptised in 1971.)
I've realised in all the organisations to which I've ever belonged (there have been a few) - only the JWs keep their rule books (whatever you might like to call them) a closely guarded secret. Grrrr!
You would think they have something to hide. -----> Just saying!
today my 15 year old daughterand i went to the local craft fair, went to olive garden for lunch, then ran over to ross to shop a little, and as we were walking out of the store, low and behold, who was coming straight at us??.
(my daughters grandmother.
) she was headed straight toward us.
Poor thing..... hugs to you all!
One thing I learned after I left (I'll admit it took me a while) is a simple thing. I'm not bound to their rules anymore.... as simple as that.
I now take the opportunity to talk to the 'shunners' - the more public the better. If they want to make a spectacle of themselves then it's more grist to the mill! If they want to 'blow their top' then they can. All you've done is be pleasant and, dare I say it, HUMAN! Let them defend themselves to their public in their ministry.
Now, I appreciate, it's easier for an adult than a 15 year old. But, don't be bound by their rules.... live by yours! Let them have the problem - don't take it to yourself!
