i just got through talking to a couple of elders, they both had moved here from other places, one from fla and one from wis. i can't remember their names.
they said the society had instructed them to call on all inactive ones.. they were nice to me, but had the same old answers that i used to present.
i brought up a lot of things for them to think about, but their minds have been carefully programed so it didn't register.
For those who are DF or DA the FLOCK book instucts the elders that if requested to have your records destroyed they should comply. Once you make this request they should have not records to use as a basis to come calling. If I ever DA I will request that my records be destroyed.
Have not yet had my visit, but expect that I will soon. Not sure what I will say, may depend on who shows up. I will try and remain passive if I can.
my most painful confession
note to simon: i will use some expletives, but i hope that they will be retained as this is intended to be an otherwise civil and thoughtful post to all my fellow ex-jws.
please read on, as this is most painful.
Jim,
You will be missed greatly here. I have limited time that I can spend on the forum and your posts were often the ones I looked for as they were a great help to me as my eyes began to open.
Best wishes to you and yours.
name you could call an old, bitter, hateful, ungrateful, sour woman?
i need some options when i next speak to my mother-in-law...
just say "HOW NICE"
Two southern belle women are sitting on the front porch of a cotton plantation when the one that lives there says to her visitor, "You know, my daddy is so rich that I would have financial security for the rest of my life if he gave me 100 acres of this plantation."
Her visitor says "How Nice"
The other belle says "and do you see this dress I have on? My daddy flew to Paris France and went to one of the top dress designers in the world and had it made for me."
Her visitor says "How Nice"
The other belle says "and do you see this pearl necklace I have on? My daddy flew to New York City and went to one of the top jewelers in the world and had it made for me."
Her visitor says "How Nice"
The other belle says, "well tell me, what has your daddy done for you?"
Her visitor says, "well the only thing my daddy has done for me was to send me to finishing school."
The other belle says, "finishing school, what would you learn at finishing school?"
Her visitor says, "well you learn proper manners like how to eat proper, dress proper and talk proper like I have been talking to you."
The other belle says, "what do you mean by talking proper to me?"
Her visitor says, "Well in finishing school it is more proper to say HOW NICE than to say FUCK YOU!!!."
we made it!!!!
we got here yesterday afternoon, after a loooonnnngggg flight.....6 hours.
two of our group came from boston, so they had a really long day.
Aloha,
Groceries are very, very costly.
one word..... SPAM!
Enjoy your visit and if you have time try snorkeling or take a hike up Diamond Head and don't miss Pearl Harbor.
i may sound like a bit of a scrooge here but i really didn't get into x-mas.i honestlly didn't enjoy it.or better yet not enjoy it but i don't get why everyone is so excited over it.don't get me wrong it was cool as hell to see my lil step daughter get all excited over her tons of presents.but i just dont get it.
you spend many hours and stressful days spending alot of money and you spend all this time setting everything up all for about an hours worth of actual celebrating it.the time ratio makes no sense to me.
it is cool however to spend a lil extra time with the family.
This was my first year to celibrate. To the limited extent that I was involved, buy a few gifts I thought it was over rated. This was the first year my kids celibrated and they said the same thing... a big long build up to about a hour of actualy celebrating. I really tried to get into it as much as I could and I am just glad I didn't have to set up a tree and string lights.
I still like the idea of giving gifts all year round.
the two "get out of jail cards" that the society plays when explaining away failed predictions are:
god's prophecies are never wrong, its just our interpretation, let's wait a while and when things are clearer we'll tell you in retrospect what the prophecy really was.
we never actually said that, it was the rank and file, they got over excited.
NameWitheld said:
Yep, and you forgot 1940 when good old booze Rutheford predicted the big A 'within a few short months'. I guess that one could still be true - lets see, 12 months to a year, 62 years since then, that makes .... <clickty clack> 744 'short months'. Yep, boozey may have been right on that one!
You must not be keeping up with the new light. The few months that Rutheford was speaking of was not those that consist of a fixed period time of 28 to 31 days. These months refer to an unspecific period of time where wicked minkind would not change their wicked ways in these last days.
Yep, boozey was right on... now how to prove that millions then living did not really ever die.
when i was a young jw i always wanted to have christmas as i always felt i was missing out!
so i convinced my presiding overseer father that we should have a day where we exchange gifts like in the spring or something.
so he thought about it and said that it would be ok and we did this and it was called present day.
I was thinking along the same line as Dana. Do it for the poor kids who may be in your same shoes one day. While there spend as much time being nice to the young ones, and ignore the self righteous bigotts. These young ones just might be where you are one day and your being there might help them in the long run.
You could even introduce some new traditions into the gathering like Festivous. Draw names to see who gets to wrestle you.
i think that there a number of things about the circuit overseer's visit that stinks!
one thing that i hated was how all the elders got together to "shepherd" the flock right before the co's visit.....what bothered you about the week long visit??
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For the most part I enjoyed the talks, as they were less boring than the norm.
What I hated was how the congregations had to move their meeting nights around from the normal times like Mondays and Wednsdays to Tuesdays and Thursdays just because this man came to town.
Everyone in the congregation had to adjust their schedule just because the co was coming to town. Many publishers had worked the work schedule out so they can come to meetings on those nights and then it all changed the week he came to town so they could hear talks about not missing meetings over work.
That and the fake display of how many came out in service on the Saturday/Sunday he was there. I would never go out on those days just because it was pumped up so big to see how many they could get out.
most of the jws i met were sincere people.
not perfect, i have my horror stories too, but most were decent people.
i am not discounting the horrible things i hear on this forum.
Yeah, there all great as long as you are active and strong meeting attendance.
Would they do the same for a complete stranger (worldly)?
I saw the elders turn away a hungry person who walked off the street into the K/H and told them to go to the Salvation Army.
Try and get help from those same people a year after not coming to a meeting and see what happens. These great wonderful people, have no more use for you.
That's my experience.
just got an info e-mail from bill, board is going down dunday mn.
due to too much ngeative talk.
possible he says the rev may open another formum not associated with sl.bill says the effort needs to be concentrated on the coming court cases.
Removed comments after finding out that the DB would continue at another web site and based on the subject that was not clear at first.
Edited by - beelzedub on 13 December 2002 20:30:0
