here we go again, arguing over things that are purely faith based.
We have no idea what the facts are and until we do, why bother.
007, its like 2 in the morning down there, go and find you wife.
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I hate the Watchtower but I really still hate the Trinity Jesus is NOT God!
by Witness 007 insome bibles use the term "worship" when refering to jesus...at times people did fall down and bow to him........this doesn't show he was god!
the greek term; proskeyneo, means to prostrate oneself, to bow down and show honour.
now, this was done for jehovah.....and his representatives....jesus israelite kings and priests....but for the honour of jehovah not as creature worship which even angels would refuse.. also i studied the non-biblical early church gospels which really does show a slow decline over 150 years, into the trinity as the watchtower claims...........although i still hate the watchtower society at least i learnt something that wasn't a lie..
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ECONOMIC MELTODOWN...DEVALUATION OF THE DOLLAR...U WOKE UP YET?
by What-A-Coincidence inhttp://www.infowars.com/?p=804.
gold at $1,110.
oil at $110.
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haahaahaaaaa
even the little aussie dollar is almost 1:1!!!
Haahaahaaa
I love it, the age of america is over!!!
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this study was good in some areas in that it stressed the importance of spirituality.
However, what freaked me out was the scriptural reference from Isiah that was supposed to be a prophecy,, the paragraph qutoed "This is what the LORD says: "The products of Egypt and the merchandise of Cush, [a] and those tall Sabeans— they will come over to you and will be yours; they will trudge behind you, coming over to you in chains.
Some how this turned into a prophecy, seems like any little weird scripture has two meanings, but what they left out was the rest....." They will bow down before you and plead with you, saying, 'Surely God is with you, and there is no other; there is no other god.' "
They will BOW DOWN ......no other god......
WTF, this is crazy, do they actually think they should be bowed down to and that they are a god?
The fact that this was ignored in the WT ( even though I had my hand up 15 times to bring this out) is crazy.
Seriously, someone needs to write a QFR on this, do they feel that this scripture applies to them in its entirety, if so, how should they be bowed down to and what sort of god are they, if it only partly applies, who is the other half refering to? -
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this study was good in some areas in that it stressed the importance of spirituality.
However, what freaked me out was the scriptural reference from Isiah that was supposed to be a prophecy,, the paragraph qutoed "This is what the LORD says: "The products of Egypt and the merchandise of Cush, [a] and those tall Sabeans— they will come over to you and will be yours; they will trudge behind you, coming over to you in chains.
Some how this turned into a prophecy, seems like any little weird scripture has two meanings, but what they left out was the rest....." They will bow down before you and plead with you, saying, 'Surely God is with you, and there is no other; there is no other god.' "
They will BOW DOWN ......no other god......
WTF, this is crazy, do they actually think they should be bowed down to and that they are a god?
The fact that this was ignored in the WT ( even though I had my hand up 15 times to bring this out) is crazy.
Seriously, someone needs to write a QFR on this, do they feel that this scripture applies to them in its entirety, if so, how should they be bowed down to and what sort of god are they, if it only partly applies, who is the other half refering to? -
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Thinking of becoming a Witness again and my reasons for doing so :(
by reniaa ini've been a faded jw for 10 years i left because of my failed first marriage, i'm no hypocrite and realised i had left completely so i embraced the world and dived in, only christmas and birthdays i could not get into, they were too foreign to me having never celebrated them, like if i suddenly tried to do ramadan or something like that.. 1/ all the criticisms of the people in the truth you say on here, i've found in the world, warts and all only in the world nothing holds them back from being utterly horrible to you.. 2/ i got stabbed by a worldly boyfriend, i got married 2 times of my own choosing to men outside the truth, the first smoked and was an alcoholic, the second gambled every penny we had and defrauded me out of money after we separated, 2 divorces later i am currently pregnant and a single mum since current boyfriend decided kids was to much of a responsibility and he needed his freedom and i was 'too selfish to expect him to give up his life'.. 3/ parents-in-law!
i have been shunned by them as equal to anything you accuse witness families of and for the silliest of reasons, i had a disabled son and his grandparents said they wanted nothing to do with him because they didn't want to become attached in case he died.. 4/ i miss the honest friendships of the truth, i had friends of all ages from 14 to 80 years old and they genuinely cared for me, many trying to keep me in the faith a long time after i left but i was determined to fade so moved away completely, but i find friendships in the world so shallow in comparison and very hard to sustain :( i've never been a drinker and sometimes thats what friendship means you being a companion for them to goto pub with.. 5/ my recent boyfriend was in a christian religion, i thought why not find out about it, harvest churches if you ever heard of them, unfortunately it still hasn't stop him leaving me pregnant and alone and when i said to him how does he clear that with god, he replies "as long as i repent it doesn't matter" it's like he has a "get out of jail free card" for any wrong-doing in the bible, this is so alien to me and my witness trained conscience.. 6/ i recently out of frustration tried looking into atheism and joined their forums, it wasn't fun, they are as bombastic and arrogant as their religious counterparts can be from any religion, they make a religion out of not believing in god, it's very weird they talk of saving people from believing in god and offer nothing to replace it.
they said to me "be happy you are in reality now and enjoy it" and i thought "well if this is reality i've had enough of it".
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It seems to me your are more in search of acceptance that spirituality.
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Why are Pedophile attracted to JWs?
by MMae inbadboy raised the above question in another thread.
i was wondering how much jw training and/or fear of god played a role in jw childrens' victimization.
these are my comments:.
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I was brought up in a cong where I called everyone aunty and uncle and could not have asked for a nicer up bringing.
Sirona, I see your point but I get the feeling that your snow blind, look at the numbersin my original post, if 20 Million girls in the US alone, and Im sure those figures are probably typical for the western world, are abused, and if pedophiles were attracted, we would have larger growth, we dont. Our abuse rates are the same as every were else Im sure.
For all those people that are really passionate, put your energies into support for victims and lobby against easily accessible porn. Thats where the fault lise to some degree.
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Why are Pedophile attracted to JWs?
by MMae inbadboy raised the above question in another thread.
i was wondering how much jw training and/or fear of god played a role in jw childrens' victimization.
these are my comments:.
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I think its a family issue, not a religious one. Parents and families and communities should take more care of our children, in that order.
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Why are Pedophile attracted to JWs?
by MMae inbadboy raised the above question in another thread.
i was wondering how much jw training and/or fear of god played a role in jw childrens' victimization.
these are my comments:.
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Seriously this is a stupid question.
I agree the WT policy is pathetic, no argument there.
But to kid yourself into thinking its a JW problem is just plain silly.
Some studies put the number of girls in abused in the US at 62%.
20% of americans are under 16, boy/girl split roughly 50/50, so 10% of america is female and under 16.
Population is around 300 Million so approximately 20 million girls are abused in the US every year. Thats 38 girls every minute in the US alone.
It aint a JW issue, its a global one, if you really feel strongly about stopping it, stop bashing an org that doesnt handle it right and put your energies into more preventative issues.
Further:
Finkelhor D.
Family Research Laboratory, University of New Hampshire, Durham 03824.
The main finding from epidemiological literature on child sexual abuse is that no identifiable demographic or family characteristics of a child may be used to exclude the possibility that a child has been sexually abused. Some characteristics are associated with greater risk: girls more than boys, preadolescents and early adolescents, having a stepfather, living without a natural parent, having an impaired mother, poor parenting, or witnessing family conflict. Class and ethnicity appear not be associated with risk. In any case, none of these factors bear a strong enough relationship to the occurrence of abuse that their presence could play a confirming or disconfirming role in the identification of actual cases. -
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Every JW Parent should watch Juno.
by jefferywhat inwhat a great film on how good parents should react.
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What a great film on how good parents should react.
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millions now living will never die!!
by jefferywhat inyeah right!!!
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http://www.news.com.au/story/0,23599,23358515-2,00.html .
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