Posts by WTWizard

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First Proper Chat With the JWs in Almost 11 Years

by passwordprotected in

since disassociating in october 2008, i've had little to no direct contact with the jws, apart from immediate family members (ie my parents).

i've lived in my rented flat since may 2014 and haven't had a knock on the door in that whole time.

until saturday morning.

WTWizard

I wonder how they would handle it if I told them how I feel about the religion, and the whole bible, in German (which is almost unheard of here among the jokehovians, partly because of its reputation of being such a hard language to master that no one wants to take in school, and partly because there is no use for it around here in field circus). If not German, then Sanskrit (Satan's native language). I bet that, in either case, they would waste more time trying to figure out what I said and not be coming back.

And if they did come back, they would be wasting more time trying to decipher German. I doubt they would have the resources to learn it--they are too stupid to research it online, they do not have the time to properly go through it, and whatever Rosetta Stones they might purchase (besides being prohibitively expensive) do not work well (I simply used the Internet, along with books bought from Amazon and videos downloaded from YouTube). And that is time they would not be able to hound someone else.

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Special meeting next month (February 2020)

by Jofi_Wofo in

jw
friends

it was announced today that we will have a special weekend meeting next month.

it will be 3 hours long and will include some streamed content.. no explanation was given as to what the meeting will be about, only that it will be exciting and we will not want to miss it..

WTWizard

That ought to be a nice waste of the weekend. Spending several hours on something that can be summed up in about a minute sounds more like a poverty or hardship working on the congregation and harvesting spiritual energy for the purpose of allowing reptilian monsters to ruin life on our earth than any real information. I would simply not go at all, and if you must go, disregard everything you hear therein. They want more donations, start donating nothing. They want more field circus, stop going at all. They want people to go to boasting sessions despite Wuhan Flu or H5N1/H5N8, start letting the slightest tiredness be an excuse to miss one. They want you to quit your job to pious-sneer, and your job is decent, keep the job and cut back on field circus.

Or, perhaps now is a good time to stock up on things you keep. Food is a good place to start these days, with China under lockdown (such will create shortages, virus or none). Or, perhaps you need to assess whether or not you have the basic tools (common screwdrivers, an adjustable wrench, and a good set of pliers is the bare minimum). Maybe that washtowel donation money could go into silver or gold. And, you might wish to start buying a few sun-worship decorations now before the Chinese shortage hits--by next fall, it could well be too late.

16

How the hell did Tony Morris get to be a GB member.

by JimmyYoung in

this guy was not a born in and did not really work his way up from the very bottom.

he kind of got some kind of fast track.

its a bit strange.

WTWizard

Perhaps because the reptilians saw this slimebag as helping them to enslave the whole human race better than someone else, regardless of where it started from. You have the choice between someone that is such a slime bag that enforces stupid rules and injustice, or someone that has half a brain and is willing to clean up the mess. Someone like Raymond Franz, even though a xian, would weaken the effect of getting the most energy out of the people into enslaving the planet. They need someone that will knock out all fun, not someone that has a bit of balance.

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Operation Snow White - conducted by Scientologists

by The Fall Guy in

jw
friends

why wasn't this cult outlawed and banned under u.s. law?.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/operation_snow_white.

WTWizard

Religions that work for the enslavement of the whole world are protected, while religions that work against it get banned. This includes the jokehovians and scientologists, along with islam and the rest of xianity. They get protection from the reptilians that actually run the whole world. Meanwhile, any legitimately Satanic religion, which works against such enslavement, is attacked by the reptilians and is banned.

It is of note that most of these allowed religions are harmful to those practicing them. You see rules against sex before marriage, and this has created so many hang-ups among people. They also like to ban fun--and jokehovian witlesses are not alone in this. (Anyone else wonder how the puritan religions ban playing cards, and so many religions even ban pagan holidays or corrupt them?) I have seen so much of that rubbish about everyone being equal--every group, race, and individual has different traits and are adapted to different conditions. Or, the "Poverty is a virtue" rubbish? That is the reason we have so much poverty among the common people while "God's chosen" seem to be so rich.

And no, I don't put the Moonies (another cult) or scientology as being any better than xian religions and cults (the jokehovians, seventh day adventists, and mor[m]ons are cults claiming to be xians. None of them do anything to advance human spirituality. All suppress fun, take away huge amounts of money from people, and claim that sickness and suffering is either a virtue or is the victim's fault. Scientology, for instance, practices that "engrams" are what causes all faults in people, and they practice "clearing" of such. I got a copy of Dianetics, which is the essence of scientology, back in the mid 1980s. According to this book, engrams are why we need glasses. I more recently saw a YouTube video of someone officially declared "clear", WEARING GLASSES. Why?

10

Original songs

by road to nowhere in

i had to look at the meetibg part.

quote": variety of musical styles and subjects " bs.

bland music, lousy lyrics, no timing, singular subject.

WTWizard

Variety of styles? It was bad enough back in the pre-2010 era, before they changed the Kingdumb maladies. They threw a few off-notes in, a few extra lines in one song, and call that "variety"? And it has probably gotten even worse with that abomination of a new book. And that's what they are supposed to listen to, all the time.

Now, for variety, I listen to quite a few different styles. I have a MP3 player I use for work, and that contains something like 2,000 of my favorite songs. Therein lie pop rock from the 1960s, R&B from that era, hard rock and heavy metal (from the 1970s and '80s), disco, dance, funk, soul, and even some country music thrown in for good measure. It also includes some R&B and rap music from the 1990s, and pop music through. Including bubblegum music, psychedelic rock, garage rock, house and dance music (post-disco), and even the song Gathering Crowds (which was a real pain to find). I even have a few Christmas songs on that--I have a different MP3 player that has all Christmas songs, in a variety of styles, that I use for the Christmas season.

And that isn't "all inclusive". You can search that MP3 player all day and not find a single song from Barbra Streisand or Yanni. No Barry Manilow or Neil Diamond, either. Just real music. That is far more than can be said about only 150 songs or so (they keep changing the number, but it is all the same lousy styles) in their books.

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The end is so close now....

by punkofnice in

aren't they tiring out from saying this now?.

a jobo pimi-lite i know has a terminal illness (no names, no pack drill), was told, 'hold on, the end is so close.

the pimi-lite said they will need to hold on to their 'go bags(tm), then!.

WTWizard

This end has been around since 1872. And, in other related denominations, even before. The problem is, how soon it comes depends on how many people give their energy to joke-hova to bring us all into the enslavement that will be the end. That is, the end of all human hope, fulfillment, and happiness. We will all be assimilated, become greys, and lose our ability to think. And soon, the reptilians will inhabit this planet after they make it unfit for anything else.

Perhaps it is better if the end doesn't come at all. Put that bible away--or better, throw it away.

22

Middle class elders and pioneering children

by Steel in

i was looking at my hall the other day some of the upper elders who are retired now have had some pretty good jobs and lives of relative comfort.

i am not exactly sure what the education levels were but they were white collar.

most likely started in a world where you didn’t need a lot of education to get a head.

WTWizard

I never saw any point in making rules that I didn't intend on following myself. Having your children living destitute while you were well off is not my idea of following your own rules. Unless the poverty is simply a matter of bad luck or a choice between that or something even worse, I simply cannot see the point of imposing it volitionally on your children. Of course, that is going on through the whole organization--pushing children to pious-sneer instead of having decent jobs. Often the parents pushing this did not quit their jobs to pious-sneer.

At least the Nazis practiced their own rules. Hitler, born at a time when it was expected for all men to smoke if they wanted to go anywhere, ended up throwing his cancer sticks in the river before pushing an anti-smoking campaign (which is still saving lives to this date, to the extent it was copied). Do those hounders, who gleefully bash Hitler, even follow their own rules?

15

2019 Annual Meeting: more F.O.G.

by neat blue dog in

after the new construction project is announced, anthony morris the turd gives a talk where he arrogantly tells the audience to 'get over it' and get to work.

he says relaxing is fine and 'im not trying to put a guilt trip on you' but you all need to get busy.

no graciousness at all for the endless volunteer labor they demand for whatever new projects they dream up.

WTWizard

Working--on what? Do those working on it actually get to benefit, or are they putting all hopes and attention on these wasteful projects that should be on personal situations? As far as I see, they can take those projects and shove them all down the toilet.

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The Governing Body Doesn't Wait On Jehovah

by Afterburn in

have you ever been told that humility requires waiting on jehovah?i have.

lots of times.

for decades.

WTWizard

They claim to abide by the bible, and have the monopoly on it. My challenge is, why is it not possible to use the bible and just the bible, and get the truth out of it? They can't even handle the bible, let alone the actual truth.

As I don't claim to abide by the bible or that joke-hova provides anything but misery and enslavement for those following it, I am not bound by any of that. But, when they tell people to wait on joke-hova and then go ahead (or, worse, back and forth), they are hypocrites. Better they would be if they simply ditched the bible, openly, and proclaimed open communism (which is, in fact, what they are doing--but with the bible as their blind). They are taking a bad situation (that they are communists) and making it worse by tying the bible into it and then hypocritically not abiding by it. They deserve even worse trouble--bad enough to push communism, but they deserve worse for lying about it.

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How many here believe the WTS really has has 8.5 million followers / 8.5. million members

by Hotpepper in

i think it's closer to 5 million with all the selling of kingdom hells and branch bethel's all over the world.

it's even hard to get a hard copy of the lastest craptower or afake mag now in new york city..

WTWizard

If you go by "one that will, according to their own theology, survive Armageddon if it were to happen right now", I think the number is well under 8.5 million. I think it is under 5 million, as well. I wonder how many of them are simply turning in fake time or having fake time turned in on their behalf. Others are doing it simply for show, or because it's their means of controlling others' lives. Still others are not "doing enough"--they are simply doing enough to avoid hounding, but not all they possibly can. Remember, according to their theology, they need to do all they absolutely can (not "reasonably", absolutely) and with "pure motive" in order to survive.

If I use that measure, the numbers are actually going to be way lower. How many are making 200 high quality hours of field circus simply for joke-hova's sake? Not very. I would say the numbers should be down in 6 figures, not 7.